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Rick Perry Quietly Baptized to 'Reaffirm His Commitment '

Texas Gov. Rick Perry was baptized in a creek last month during a ceremony observed only by close friends and family — a personal action he took to “reaffirm his commitment” to the Christian faith, according to a spokesperson.

The governor was dunked under the water in the Little Rocky Creek outside Independence, Texas — the same body of water where Sam Houston, the state’s 7th governor, was also baptized in 1854.


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John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
CV wrote:
1)-But Jesus didn't say anything. So He spoke agaist it!
The Desciples did both, water & Spirit baptism.
2)-Because the desciples did SPIRIT baptism, it's proof that it was under Gods authority.
The desciples did WB. Just because they did, is not proof in favor of it.
3)There's no instruction for either water or Spirit
4)- there no instruction for water
In ACTS 10/11 Peter water baptises, then harbours a secret regret which only J4 can decipher using Joseph Smith magic glasses.
J4
5) Don't you love it when your deception is unmasked? We haven't got to the best yet.
Basically, anytime you have J4 cornered, he switches sides. He blows out of both sides of the arguement on every issue.
What J4 does is, after something has been dealt with clearly, J4 will repost it as if it has never been heard before. A J4 Special.
1) I never said Jesus spoke against it. I know you disagree with me, but at least try to be honest.
2) Reason being, God is directly involved with the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
3) Correct. However, Jesus promised there would be a baptism in the Holy Spirit. He never promised a baptism with water.
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News Item5/20/14 5:03 AM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
tver, the baptism with the Holy Spirit was promised by Jesus. He never promised a baptism in water.
4) I said Peter may have realized then. Either way, it wasn't with Jesus' baptism.
5) Not lying and not running, lol. I usually am the last to post on topics like this and I try to answer all of your question.
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News Item5/20/14 2:31 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Treading water are you? Regurgitating what's already been answered? Just keep referring back to my last post.

The basis of your arguement so far has been:

The GC was only for the desciples because -
Only they were there

-But it's also an example for us, ...

-But then again it can't be for us, cause we'd have to wait & start in Jerusalem. (I kid you not).

Paul's included in the GC
Paul's not

Under Jesus leadership, the desciples WB'd.
-But Jesus didn't say anything. So He spoke agaist it!

The Desciples did both, water & Spirit baptism.
-Because the desciples did SPIRIT baptism, it's proof that it was under Gods authority.
The desciples did WB. Just because they did, is not proof in favor of it.

There's no instruction for either water or Spirit
- there no instruction for water

In ACTS 10/11 Peter water baptises, then harbours a secret regret which only J4 can decipher using Joseph Smith magic glasses.

J4
Don't you love it when your deception is unmasked? We haven't got to the best yet.
Basically, anytime you have J4 cornered, he switches sides. He blows out of both sides of the arguement on every issue.

What J4 does is, after something has been dealt with clearly, J4 will repost it as if it has never been heard before. A J4 Special.

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News Item5/19/14 1:14 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
CV wrote:
1 This is YOUR hairbrain theory ?! xplain your wacky theology. It's NOT biblical.
2 The existence of Spirit baptism is not at issue nor is it a proof against water.
We were on ACTS 10/11 where Peter baptises with water. You left that to quote Spirit baptism. They did both under the one authority
You've chosen to accept one and dismiss the other. For that, you alone claim that authority.
.
The apostles laid hands under Gods authority. The junk YOU attach is NOT part of that authority. Asking for a yes here does not give you a free pass to piggyback your junk.
Points 3,4,5
Not that ANY of your posts have a point.
3)The apostles water baptised. Why don't you accept that?
What was it about baptism in the GC that was only for the apostles. Did Paul have same authority & pwr
1) Then maybe you can explain why Jews were baptizing Gentiles in water.
2) Baptism was done through the laying on of hands, under God's authority. Therefore, God approved of this method of baptism and shows you how they baptized according to the GC.
3) Obviously they did. They also baptized in the Holy Spirit as they were instructed. What I don't accept is the theory that Jesus instructed them to use water. Where does it say He did that?
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News Item5/19/14 2:04 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
John for JESUS wrote:
1 Apostles were baptizing proselytes.
maybe you can answer why only Gentiles were baptized?

2 Yet somehow Peter lays hands
By what authority did he do that?

3 We both know from scripture that Jesus didn't teach a command to baptize in water

4 So when He tells His disciples to go and baptize, how were they supposed to do that? Not with water!

5)There are examples of them doing it with the Holy Spirit, so why won't you accept it?

1 This is YOUR hairbrain theory to explain your wacky theology. It's NOT biblical.

2 The existence of Spirit baptism is not at issue nor is it a proof against water.
We were on ACTS 10/11 where Peter baptises with water. You left that to quote Spirit baptism. They did both under the one authority

You've chosen to accept one and dismiss the other. For that, you alone claim that authority.
.
The apostles laid hands under Gods authority. The junk YOU attach is NOT part of that authority. Asking for a yes here does not give you a free pass to piggyback your junk.

Points 3,4,5
Not that ANY of your posts have a point.
The apostles water baptised. Why don't you accept that?

What was it about baptism in the GC that was only for the apostles. Did Paul have same authority & pwr

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News Item5/17/14 9:21 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
CV wrote:
John/UK ACTS 19 is not conclusive on WATER. That Paul laid hands, it tells us.
We don't discount water baptism, nor the laying on of hands by the apostles.

1)The resident evil here tries to steer the arguement to be one agaist the other.
Now he can add His spin.

It's revolting for someone so twisted to quote scripture.

Where there are clear conclusive proof of water baptism by the apostles, J4 dismisses the apostles as dumb & he is right.

How does J4 know? He says he thinks. Scary!

2) Peter think there was command to lay hands? NO!

1) Thanks for all of your kind words! Lol.
By the way, I've consistently said the Apostles were baptizing proselytes. I didn't say they were dumb. You seem like a smart guy, maybe you can answer why only Gentiles were baptized in water. Can you?

2) Yet somehow Peter lays hands on people and they received the Holy Spirit. By what authority did he do that?

We both know from scripture that Jesus didn't teach a command to baptize in water. So when He tells His disciples to go and baptize, how were they supposed to do that? Not with water! There are examples of them doing it with the Holy Spirit, so why won't you accept it?

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News Item5/17/14 6:32 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
John/UK ACTS 19 is not conclusive on WATER. That Paul laid hands, it tells us.

We don't discount water baptism, nor the laying on of hands by the apostles.
The resident evil here tries to steer the arguement to be one agaist the other. That way he gives the appearance of having equal biblical defence just by presenting the existence of the other. You present water. He presents Spirit. Did the apostles baptise by laying hand? See, you were arguing agaist Spirit baptism all along. Now he can add His spin.

It's revolting for someone so twisted to quote scripture.

Where there are clear conclusive proof of water baptism by the apostles, J4 dismisses the apostles as dumb & he is right.

In ACTS 10 &11
God via a vision sends Peter to preach at a Gentiles house. Peter preaches, they recieve the Holy Spirit. Peter water baptises.

What baptism is Peter telling us the GC means? Water. Did Peter think there was command to lay hands? NO!
But Dodo says God repeatedly breaks His own command of laying hands by circumventing around himself

ACTS 11:16 is God authenticating the message going out to the Gentiles.

Against such an obvious simple reading of the nerrative, this time J4 has Peter put out a 'J4 hidden cryptic message'.
How does J4 know? He says he thinks. Scary!

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News Item5/16/14 2:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
Um, as soon as they heard this they were baptized. Instantly. No going down to a body of water somewhere.
That's it, John. They were baptised in water in the name of Jesus, and then Paul laid hands on them, and they were FILLED with the Spirit.

But remember this was an obscure passage, being a transition between OT and NT.

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News Item5/16/14 1:55 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK wrote:
John, if you observe the text in its context, it is clear that the baptism was water baptism.
And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
(Acts 19:1-5 KJV)
Um, as soon as they heard this they were baptized. Instantly. No going down to a body of water somewhere.
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News Item5/16/14 10:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
(Acts 19:5-6)
He baptized, but it wasn't in water!
John, if you observe the text in its context, it is clear that the baptism was water baptism.

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
(Acts 19:1-5 KJV)

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News Item5/16/14 10:35 AM
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John UK wrote:
Now the apostle Paul said he baptised (in water) only a few, whereas he preached the gospel to multitudes, seeing a great number of conversions. Other men baptised his converts, while he focussed on gospel preaching, thus separating the Spirit's work and the water baptisms. Now do you see?
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
(Acts 19:5-6)

He baptized, but it wasn't in water!

Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
(Acts 8:17-18)

Jesus' disciples baptized in the Holy Spirit as they were told to do by Him.

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News Item5/16/14 3:23 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
Verses like 2 Tim 4:2, Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Good, also....

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(Luke 24:46-47 KJV)

also...

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
(Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)

and...

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
(Mark 16:15-16 KJV)

Now the apostle Paul said he baptised (in water) only a few, whereas he preached the gospel to multitudes, seeing a great number of conversions. Other men baptised his converts, while he focussed on gospel preaching, thus separating the Spirit's work and the water baptisms. Now do you see?

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News Item5/16/14 2:59 AM
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John UK wrote:
It matters if it is an unbiblical practice. Let me ask again, what biblical authority did the preacher have for preaching the gospel to you? The Great Commission? Some other passage? Either we go by scripture or we don't. Which is it to be? lol
I gotta turn in. Back tomorrow afternoon for another exciting episode of Spot the Heretic!
Verses like 2 Tim 4:2, Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Yeah, go get your sleep, you seem grumpy!

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News Item5/15/14 7:17 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
John for JESUS wrote:
5)No, you can look it up. No Gentiles were baptized in water after Acts 11.
6) I was think more along the lines of, "Then I remembered..."
"Then I remembered..."
Peter remembers Jesus' promise of the Holy Spirit

You want him to remember that he was not to baptise with water.

That's why when you offered in the past to quote scripture, I didn't bother. Because you wouldn't have understood what the bible was saying anyways.

' Preaching is not baptising'

Has it occured to you that the baptism that happens here is not through laying of hands but through preaching?
Neither did it occur to Peter that YOUR Great Commission command was for the apostles to baptise with the Holy Spirit.

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News Item5/15/14 6:24 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
It doesn't matter, if I have heard the gospel who it came from!
It matters if it is an unbiblical practice. Let me ask again, what biblical authority did the preacher have for preaching the gospel to you? The Great Commission? Some other passage? Either we go by scripture or we don't. Which is it to be? lol

I gotta turn in. Back tomorrow afternoon for another exciting episode of Spot the Heretic!

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News Item5/15/14 6:14 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK wrote:
It matters nothing, if you do not regard scriptural authority for anything that the church does.
So are you saying it doesn't matter to you that Jesus' disciples baptized with the Holy Spirit?! So typical of you. When faced with a difficult question, you just pretend it doesn't exist, lol.
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News Item5/15/14 4:46 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
Did the disciples baptize with the Holy Spirit by laying on of hands?
It matters nothing, if you do not regard scriptural authority for anything that the church does.
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News Item5/15/14 4:41 PM
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John UK wrote:
1. The Great Commission, in order to its success, is dependent on the Lord being with his people as they fulfil the commission. The fact that the commission as given in Matthew 28 is one sentence, with only colons and semi-colons between sections, shows that the one long sentence is all related, and that Jesus was saying he would be with them always, even unto the end of the world, as they continued fulfilling the commission. I challenge you to take the paragraph to any English teacher or professor, and ask him if I'm not right.
2. The problem you've got John, is that if you have heard the gospel, by what or whose authority did the preacher preach the gospel? What biblical passage shows that gospel preaching was to be ongoing, to the end of the world? Then I will get back to your question.
1) I realize it is all related.
2) It doesn't matter, if I have heard the gospel who it came from! I believe people can hear enough of the Gospel in a Catholic church to be saved. Fyi, I have heard the gospel in Presbyterian, Protestant, Reformed, Church of Christ, Assemblies of God, independent Baptist, community, and SBC churches. My current at fbcw.org. I kind of figured you wouldn't answer...I was right.??
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News Item5/15/14 2:44 PM
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CV wrote:
1) how long have I asked you a direct question?
So FINALLY, laying of hands is the ONLY direct act to the direct command to baptize in the GC!
2) SEESH!!!
3) Your Points 1,2,3 could have been cleared a long time ago.
4) Your Point 4
Don't let me hand you yours in a platter agian, if you wanna wafle on that, then just do it.
5)Your #5
You're kidding!
6)You can't see that v17 starts with "SO IF"?
Here, PETER's TELLING YOU what the preceding statement meant to him.
Here's ACTS 11:16-17
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with[a] water, but you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.’
17 SO IF God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”
7)Your responses are always a garbled mess.
1) I've been saying that all along.
2) Seesh is just another way of saying geesh, which is just short for God. Please stop using God's name in vain!
3) I'm sorry you didn't understand sooner. Maybe you've finally had a breakthrough!
4) I didn't say Jesus was never anointed.
5)No, you can look it up. No Gentiles were baptized in water after Acts 11.
6) I was think more along the lines of, "Then I remembered..."
7) Sorry about that.
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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Baptism: Truth or Tradition, please read

Acts 10
19....
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
45 And all the circumcised believers who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon the Gentiles also.
46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.---NASB

No one baptizes with the Holy Spirit, except the Holy Spirit -- God. Baptism is not a sacrament it's an ordinance. The action of Baptism is completely without efficacy, Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel

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