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SATURDAY, APR 26, 2014  |  21 comments  |  2 commentaries
Jars of Clay Lead Singer Announces Support for 'Gay Marriage'

The lead singer for Jars of Clay took to Twitter this week to say he supports homosexual marriage.

Dan Haseltine said Wednesday: “Not meaning to stir things up BUT… is there a non-speculative or non ‘slippery slope’ reason why gays shouldn’t marry? I don’t hear one.

“I’m trying to make sense of the conservative argument. But it doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny. Feels akin to women’s suffrage. I just don’t see a negative effect to allowing gay marriage. No societal breakdown, no war on traditional marriage. Anyone?” ...


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News Item4/28/14 10:12 PM
Jean | Canada  Find all comments by Jean
God calls it an abomination... This singer better lay down the microphone and pick up the Bible and get Gods direction.
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News Item4/27/14 10:51 PM
Veritas Cafe  Find all comments by Veritas Cafe
Another one falls from the straight and narrow.
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News Item4/27/14 6:19 PM
SF from TX  Find all comments by SF from TX
SC ftom Ohio wrote: " A vast majority of Christians' lifestyles are indistinguishable from the secular counterpart"

Sadly you're right

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News Item4/27/14 2:59 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
That a CCM singer would hold such a view is not particularly surprising.However, I think that such news items can benefit Christians on the whole. I think that the proliferation of the homosexual agenda in this country is due to the inadequacy of so called "Christian" marriages and lifestyles. How many Christians look at porn or inappropriately dressed celebs or even engage in inappropriate behavior? We have so compromised morality that we can't see the forest for the trees. A vast majority of Christians' lifestyles are indistinguishable from the secular counterpart. Hopefully,as a result of considering such topics, we can take a closer look at ourselves when it comes to the issue of what is morally pleasing to the Lord.
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News Item4/27/14 1:31 PM
Tracey McKinney | North East  Find all comments by Tracey McKinney
To be saved one must hold to the essential doctrines of the faith like the doctrine of sin and the need for faith and repentance. A damnable false doctrine is to consider sin as something that doesn't produce a "negative effect" (as Mr. Haseltine calls it) and thus give people the false assurance that they can continue in their evil and suppression of the knowledge of God without the need for faith and repentance.

What a shame it is for so called "Christians" to enable an "institution" called "gay marriage" that promotes and flaunts the sin of sodomy and in fact aiding sinners in their pathway to hell. If I saw my friend who has a problem with drunkeness about to enter into a bar, I would not be his friend if I did not try warn and plead with him to not go in there. So if a person promotes an "institution" that will in fact confirm people in their sin and rebellion (i.e. Sodomy) then that person doesn't really love to see people set free from sin.

Charles Spurgeon said, "He who has no desire for sinners to be saved is not saved himself."

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News Item4/27/14 12:36 PM
Silofolous | Us  Find all comments by Silofolous
Tracey, for a time the Apostle Peter was anti-Gentile, so much so that he refused to eat with them to placate his Jewish friends. This would have continued, had God not sent Paul to correct him.

Believing false doctrine, even doctrines that affect one's relationships, is not necessarily mutually exclusive with Christianity.

If this singer continues to believe this false doctrine, then either he will continue to stray and show all that he was never saved to begin with, or he will die, go to Heaven, and find out that he was very wrong on this issue.

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News Item4/27/14 10:51 AM
Tracey McKinney | North East  Find all comments by Tracey McKinney
Silofulous, when someone claims the title of "Christian" the only ultimate authority for faith, morals etc. is the unchanging Word of the living God...not man's opinion or any kind of non-slippery slope argument. It therefore makes no sense to appeal to any other authority for "right" and "wrong"...otherwise someone could use a non-slippery slope argument as an excuse for any type of abomination known to God. Mr. Haseltine should instead be asking "What does the Word of God say about this." In Matthew 19 Jesus defines marriage as the union of male and female, thus "gay marriage" is not marriage according to Jesus' definition and is therefore sin in the eyes of The Lord.

So yes...to claim "Christian" in your designation and be pro "gay marriage" are mutually exclusive since true lovers of Jesus would never be pro-sin.

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News Item4/27/14 8:21 AM
Silofolous | Us  Find all comments by Silofolous
Wow, Tracey, the way you make it sound is almost like being saved and being pro-gay marriage are mutually exclusive. This is not an issue of dogma. (For the sake of clarity, it should be made known that I am not at all in favor of same-sex marriage)

Also, the singer wanted a non-speculative, non-slippery-slope argument? Well, first off you're limiting your evidence, that just shows that you've already decided. Secondly, gays already have full marriage rights in every state. The difference is that their preferences are different than what most states offer. That is all. This is an issue of preference, not rights. Law should be used to secure rights of citizens. Law has no business securing the preference of citizens. There is no legal basis for same-sex marriage.

But of you wanted to talk about what God says, He is quite clear of His command in Leviticus 18 and Romans 1, as well as a few other places.

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News Item4/26/14 10:12 PM
Tracey McKinney | North East  Find all comments by Tracey McKinney
"I just don't see a negative effect to allowing gay marriage." That's because you, Mr. Haseltine, are your own ultimate authority. But then again, what must unbelievers turn to when they reject God's authority but their own selves....and then anything goes like rape and murder because everyone's left to their own preferences and opinions. ABSURDITY!
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News Item4/26/14 2:28 PM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
US, I cant say that I have

Penny, I second that.

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News Item4/26/14 2:24 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
I pray the Lord will lead him to repent and not become confused by the god of the world.
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News Item4/26/14 1:13 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
GSTexas wrote:
Dan Haseltine said Wednesday: “Not meaning to stir things up BUT… is there a non-speculative or non ‘slippery slope’ reason why gays shouldn’t marry? I don’t hear one.
He must not read Gods word, at least not objectively. Also, saying Gods word doesnt teach anything regarding morality is just idiotic. What then are the ten commandments if not moral standards? Or how about Leviticus 18:22 where God calls sodomy an abomination? How is it an abomination if its not morally wrong?
You obviously have not listened to the sermon on the inadequacy of morality
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News Item4/26/14 1:06 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
“I don’t think Scripture ‘clearly’ state much of anything regarding morality,”

That is why I don't listen to carnal "Christian" music. To many of them are blatantly living in sin, promoting sinful behavior, or don't understand scripture.

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News Item4/26/14 12:46 PM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
Dan Haseltine said Wednesday: “Not meaning to stir things up BUT… is there a non-speculative or non ‘slippery slope’ reason why gays shouldn’t marry? I don’t hear one.

He must not read Gods word, at least not objectively. Also, saying Gods word doesnt teach anything regarding morality is just idiotic. What then are the ten commandments if not moral standards? Or how about Leviticus 18:22 where God calls sodomy an abomination? How is it an abomination if its not morally wrong?

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News Item4/26/14 10:11 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
The whole concept of a group of Musicians calling themselves a Christian band makes no sense,there is no such thing as Christian music,no more than there is Christian electricity,plumbing or anything else in the material world.

People are or are not Christians,the material world is God's creation but it is human beings who are or are not Christian.

I know a guy who is a Christian and works as a mechanic,he does not advertise himself as a Christian mechanic but if you do business with him you will know he is a Christian and that is as it should be.

The whole CCM nonsense was and is nothing but a poor,mediocre imitation of a musical style and approach,i would rather listen to a faucet drip than hear anything any of them have done,the "Christian" label is nothing more than marketing to and targeting an audience.

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News Item4/26/14 9:48 AM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Here is my $0.02.
We should probably not refer to a group that has no morality, no Biblical base for their behavior, and obviously no common sense a "Christian" group.
Just saying.
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News Item4/26/14 9:26 AM
jhn gil | atl  Contact via emailFind all comments by jhn gil
Amos 5 23-24. Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

These are the Lord's words no further comment needed.

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News Item4/26/14 8:37 AM
KB | MS  Find all comments by KB
“I don’t think Scripture ‘clearly’ state much of anything regarding morality,” he said.

This statement is not surprising from a band whose first hit was played all over secular radio, and no one knew they were a "Christian" band.

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News Item4/26/14 6:48 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Celebrity worship is like that
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News Item4/26/14 6:35 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
"I don't think the bible teaches anything regarding morality,” he said

Boy, I'm glad I read deeper into the article because I didn't know this was a Christian band. Now that I know it "is", I'm speechless over the things the 20yr Christian ban veteran said. I ddon't know how they can write the songs they do, covering the gamut of the bible, praise, worship, etc, and not even know that God condemns sodomy throughout the old and new testaments. My first thought was to wonder how many more will be misled becauae of his statements. I wonder how many will say, "see, another well known, long time Christian also says that there's nothing wrong with being homosexual, etc, etc". I think most look for any little thing they can to justify their lifestyles and other Christians speaking out in their favor, no matter what the Bible says, carry a lot of weight.

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