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WEDNESDAY, APR 23, 2014  |  85 comments
Michelle Obama Declares Naps More Important Than Church

The most attention-starved first lady in recent history made yet another talk show appearance this week, sitting down with “Live with Kelly and Michael” co-host Michael Strahan on the White House lawn.

From there, however, the interview quickly redirected to the Obamas’ Easter celebration the previous day. She explained the family went to church, describing the event as a rare occurrence – especially for a family about whom candidate Barack declared faith was a central theme.

“We definitely try to go to church every Easter if we can,” she said. Other Sundays, however, are apparently less about God and more about recovering from the latest taxpayer-funded vacation.

Michelle said “we really try to use Sunday as a family downtime where we can kind of breathe and catch up and maybe take a little nap every now and then if we’re not working.” ...


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News Item4/26/14 2:31 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
MacDonald wrote:
Circumcision was commanded by GOD,
and applied to all infant males. Is the baptism of infants a parallel sacrament or seal.
It appears a followup is in order since there are those who would make Paul's text at 1 Cor 10:1-2 an error.

R. Scott Clark was quoted to shore up the reformed view of covenant theology as it pertains to circumcision/baptism but no attempt was made to demonstrate how I wrongly interpreted Paul at 1 Cor 10:1-2 as it corresponds to Joshua 5:2-7. Scripture does not refute scripture. That said, I will offer an interpretation of Col 2:11-12 which is perfectly compatible with my interpretation of 1 Cor 10:1-2.

The circumcision made without hands is circumcision of the heart into the law of faith (Zion covenant know to you as the covenant of grace) while being buried with Him in baptism is circumcision of the flesh into the law of works (Sinai covenant which is death and condemnation). In Christ the flesh is put to death by His death while the soul is made alive by His life.

The problem with CT is that it fails to recognize that there has always been two covenants (Gal 4:24), two fulfillments (love God and neighbor), therefore two circumcisions (heart and flesh) and Jesus fulfilled both and we in Him.

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News Item4/26/14 11:17 AM
MS  Find all comments by MS
John UK wrote:
I never did like tripe, whether it's the sort you find simmering in a saucepan or the sort you find served up in cultish churches.
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News Item4/26/14 11:05 AM
Follow FLOTUS advice  Find all comments by Follow FLOTUS advice
Covenant of Grace wrote:
... they are closely linked in Paul's mind and almost interchangeable." (R.Scott Clark)
When coming to multimoniker posts, it is good advice to just nap right through them.
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News Item4/26/14 10:49 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I never did like tripe, whether it's the sort you find simmering in a saucepan or the sort you find served up in cultish churches.
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News Item4/26/14 10:02 AM
Covenant of Grace | From Genesis 17 on  Find all comments by Covenant of Grace
"The connection between baptism and circumcision is quite clear in Col 2:11-12. The connection is not direct, but indirect and the point of contact between them is Christ and baptism is the sign and seal of that circumcision. In v.11 Paul says "in him [i.e. in Christ] you were also circumcised with the circumcision done by Christ" and in v.12 he says exactly how it is that we were circumcised in and by Christ: "having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith...."49 For Paul, in the New covenant, our union with Christ is our circumcision. In baptism, we are identified with Christ's baptism/circumcision, as it were, on the cross. Neither baptism nor circumcision effects this union (ex opere operato), rather God the Spirit unites us to Christ, makes us alive and gives us faith.

The point not to be missed is that, in Paul's mind, baptism and circumcision are both signs and seals of Christ's baptism/circumcision on the cross for us. By faith, we are united to Christ's circumcision and by union with Christ we become participants in his circumcision/baptism. Because circumcision pointed forward to Christ's death and baptism looks back to Christ's death, they are closely linked in Paul's mind and almost interchangeable." (R.Scott Clark)

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News Item4/25/14 11:14 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
MacDonald wrote:
Circumcision was commanded by GOD,and applied to all infant males. Is the baptism of infants a parallel sacrament or seal.
No. Baptism and circumcision are one and the same:

1 Cor 10:1-2 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea and were all **baptized** unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

Compare to Joshua 5:2-7.

Therefore, baptism did not replace circumcision and the following text applies:

Gal 5:2-4 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

From the days of Abraham, circumcision/baptism binds the circumcised to the Sinai covenant; not what you Presby's refer to as the covenant of grace which is circumcision of heart aka regeneration.

Btw, isn't it strange that after Israel was baptized unto Moses, not one infant was circumcised in the wilderness for forty years even while the law that commanded it was being published? I recommend a study of the Solemn Assembly.

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News Item4/25/14 5:56 PM
MacDonald | Scotland  Find all comments by MacDonald
Are we to believe Abramic church ceased before the gentile was included making the promise null and void.How preposterous. Romans 11' 17-24. Was the old uprooted. We're we not grafted in. Forgive me dear Baptist friends,from disagreeing with you,but seeing as you claim to be true church ,please modify your language. The Reformers and Puritans and countless Martyrs were not led by the Devil, but mightily by the Holy Spirit.
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News Item4/25/14 5:31 PM
MacDonald | Scotland  Find all comments by MacDonald
Impressionist imply that infants cannot be baptized nor save because they are incapable of repentance or exercising faith." If anyone will not work neither shall He eat, in which case infants be allowed to starve. Are not infants capable of redemption. Praise GOD. John 3-16. Did not our Saviour take the infants in His arms,and blessed them. They were circumcised covenant children. Was not circumcision emblematic of the same spiritual graces now signified by baptism.Circumcision was commanded by GOD,and applied to all infant males. Of GOD,s people.Is the baptism of infants a parallel sacrament or seal.Most instances of Churches were Christianised Synagogues. One overlapped the other.There was not a sudden cutting of the old,but rather a splicing.There is no evidence of the Jewish parent denied the same GOD given privileges ,in the N t church ,which was graciously granted to them by the same covenant GOD.The covenant was not abolished.We are still the seed of Abraham ,the father of the faithful,the true Isreal of God. ROMANS 4--16,,17
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News Item4/25/14 3:02 PM
:ugh:  Find all comments by :ugh:
"A good Presbyterian too"
Yes indeed...that pharisetical attitude abounds with you presbys!
Get over yourselves!!
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News Item4/25/14 2:46 PM
WB  Find all comments by WB
ladybug wrote:
1) Acts 2:41 - exposes your infant baptism belief as false.
2) There is not one verse in all of the bible that commands 'covenant infant baptism'.
3) Belonging to a certain 'denomination' will not save anyone.
4) you interpret scripture by your own set of standards to fit your theology
5) Instead of exalting yourself and your 'theology' over everyone here,
6) No one here believes your theology, nor will any be convinced
1) Wrong. History records the correct method for baptism. Baptist ideology is a neo-religious tradition from the 16th century Anabaptists.
2) God ordained and establish the Covenant of Grace and made His Son Jesus the Mediator. God's Holy Word rejects your belief and proves it to be contrary to fact.
3) "Belonging" to the Invisible church of the elect will. Because God appoints the saved to it.
4) So do you!!
5) All I have been doing is carrying on a debate which has been going for centuries.
6) Presbyterian Calvinists and the truly Reformed accept the Bible Doctrines of Grace, as do I. You will find many many sermons here on SA which are Biblical Presbyterian and Biblical Calvinist. Also may I point out that the founder of this site is a good Presbyterian too.
God be with you.
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News Item4/25/14 4:29 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
1 Corinthians 1:17-29 Christians are not called to be politicians.I'm suspicious of any politician who uses religion for political purposes. John Y. I will again point out this detail to you, you don't go to church either, at least one recognized by God! Come Out Of The Catholic Church
Why would I want to become Protestant when Protestant Churches don't have Saturday Vigil services? I like to attend Saturday Vigil in order to do other things on Sunday like laying around the house all morning.
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News Item4/25/14 12:32 AM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Hey thanks ladybug for rebuking one of the plethora of pharisee's that we have to endure on this board
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News Item4/24/14 11:58 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
WB, I did stick to scripture, and that scripture - Acts 2:41 - exposes your infant baptism belief as false.
There is not one verse in all of the bible that commands 'covenant infant baptism'.
Belonging to a certain 'denomination' will not save anyone. Tons go to churches of various denominations every Sunday, and will wind up in hell.
As for your opinion on the context of Acts 2:41, you interpret scripture by your own set of standards to fit your theology. However, that text has not one thing to do with adults in a 'missionary' situation.
Instead of exalting yourself and your 'theology' over everyone here, perhaps you would do well to humble yourself before Almighty God and cry out for truth. No one here believes your theology, nor will any be convinced. Perhaps you would benefit from finding another forum that adheres to your views.
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News Item4/24/14 7:07 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
WB wrote:
1)BTW Mike did you know that the cults of Mormon and Jehovah's Witness also baptise by immersion.
2)These cults definitely cannot read the Scriptures.
3)Interesting association with your lot isn't it?
4)I guess it remains for the Biblical Presbyterians to uphold the Covenantal Baptism of infants, by His grace, and according to HIS Holy Word.
~~~~~~~
5)Oh and BTW Mike for your further edification the JW's are Arminian too.
1)2)3)RC's baptize infants, but I'm not silly enough to think that makes you somehow associated with them. Tradition does have it's hold on you, though.

4) You think so, eh?

5) For your edification, JWs aren't Arminian. Not even close. Talk with them, ask about who Jesus is. But then you see everybody who isn't Presbyterian as Arminian anyway.

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News Item4/24/14 5:25 PM
Reminds me  Find all comments by Reminds me
WB wrote:
The real Bible KJV states
Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
The emphasis of the verse is upon believing or not as the case may be. Believe and you are saved.
Don't believe and you are not saved.
Baptism is not essential to that process - If it was then the popish baptismal regeneration would be true from this verse.
To Believe is not a given qualification for baptism in Scripture. There is only one qualification for infant baptism and that is Covenantal parents. 1Cor 7:14.
But again as explained to you all this is a missionary situation. It does not exclude a person by age or ability.
Age and human ability is never a factor in baptism in the Scriptures.
Cleansing by sprinkle is a factor in Scripture.
Covenant is a factor in Scripture.
Baptism of households where the head of the household is already converted is a factor in baptism. And of course babies are found in households.
Baptise the family into the Covenant of which Jesus is Mediator.
God does not discriminate against infants - Genesis 17 proves that fact.
But Baptists remove that instruction of God don't they.
Always learning, never coming to the knowledge of the truth.
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News Item4/24/14 5:08 PM
WB  Find all comments by WB
MS wrote:
Mark 16:16.
Those who BELIEVE and are baptized shall be saved
The real Bible KJV states
Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

The emphasis of the verse is upon believing or not as the case may be. Believe and you are saved.
Don't believe and you are not saved.

Baptism is not essential to that process - If it was then the popish baptismal regeneration would be true from this verse.

To Believe is not a given qualification for baptism in Scripture. There is only one qualification for infant baptism and that is Covenantal parents. 1Cor 7:14.

But again as explained to you all this is a missionary situation. It does not exclude a person by age or ability.

Age and human ability is never a factor in baptism in the Scriptures.

Cleansing by sprinkle is a factor in Scripture.
Covenant is a factor in Scripture.
Baptism of households where the head of the household is already converted is a factor in baptism. And of course babies are found in households.
Baptise the family into the Covenant of which Jesus is Mediator.
God does not discriminate against infants - Genesis 17 proves that fact.
But Baptists remove that instruction of God don't they.

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News Item4/24/14 5:07 PM
Humor  Find all comments by Humor
SteveR wrote:
'exegete' is a noun {rolling eyes}
Literacy standards in this RCC fake of "Mount Zion" have dropped a great deal cuz SteveR has joined the unregenerate mob. Lol.
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News Item4/24/14 3:42 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
MS wrote:
Mark 16:16.
Those who BELIEVE and are baptized shall be saved.
An infant cannot believe.
Infant baptism is foreign to the word of God and is one of the most clever tricks that Satan ever pulled on blinded humanity to keep souls away from Christ.
MS
I appreciate your post.
It really is that simple and straight forward if we simply read the Bible and believe what God says.
And Thank God that it is.
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News Item4/24/14 3:27 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Mark 16:16.
Those who BELIEVE and are baptized shall be saved.
An infant cannot believe.
Infant baptism is foreign to the word of God and is one of the most clever tricks that Satan ever pulled on blinded humanity to keep souls away from Christ.
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News Item4/24/14 3:23 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
John UK
Here is the rub, if you will, the Bible is not good enough for those IMHO practising 'Reformed Priestcraft', they have to force people to eisegete it to please them.
Yes indeed Michael. It has happened so many times on these threads that Moniker Man has dug around in his box of books for answers to the difficult biblical questions put to him, it kinda proves the point, that he is not getting his spiritual milk nor meat from God's word, but from men who never did fully break out from the Romish principle of gaining adherents through natural birth.

But as you said earlier:-

Ye must be born again.

This is the spiritual birth brought to man by the Holy Ghost at conversion, subsequent to which he may be baptised in water as a testimony of such a spiritual event.

This gives man no spiritual power to effect anything spiritual by way of a sacrament, which is why the Presbies do not like it, thinking themselves something special, or to quote someone else, the "spiritual elite". This is something they will need to think of very seriously before the Lord comes again to gather together his elect from the four winds.

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