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WEDNESDAY, APR 23, 2014  |  30 comments
Bill Gothard Breaks Silence on Harassment Claims by 30 Women
Recovering Grace has responded to Gothard's open letter, noting "several positive aspects" but overall explaining why it "leaves us troubled" because it remains "incomplete." Meanwhile, a group of academics and ministry leaders (lead cosigner: Norman Geisler of Veritas Evangelical Seminary) is publicly asking IBLP leaders to partner with a seminary to "biblically evaluate" Gothard's past teachings.

In his Thursday statement, announced via Twitter, Gothard responded publicly to the allegations for the first time.

"My actions of holding of hands, hugs, and touching of feet or hair with young ladies crossed the boundaries of discretion and were wrong," writes Gothard. "They demonstrated a double-standard and violated a trust. Because of the claims about me I do want to state that I have never kissed a girl nor have I touched a girl immorally or with sexual intent."

However, most of Gothard's ...


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News Item4/29/14 2:53 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tonywatch wrote:
One of the best ever 'comic' (or is it delusional) quotes ever seen on SermonAudio. Disagree with Tony and he thinks folk on here are out to assassinate him!
His bodyguards would blow some heads off? What with-your 'gospel-gun'?
Warning
What did John say again about 'medication'?

Tonywatch, Tony always does give me a good opportunity to point out people who live in the Hammond/Chicago area have an alternative church to go to, instead of the one that Tony--at least in the past--did go to, which seem to match his personality, First "Baptist" Church of Hammond Indiana. So, I will point that out again, Christian Fellowship Church which does not practice Red Hot Preaching

The only Franklin incident I knew of concerned "Mother" Theresa, q.v.,"Mother" Teresa Oops wrong fraud and S&L's!

Franklin child prostitution ring allegations.

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News Item4/28/14 7:51 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
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News Item4/28/14 7:25 PM
Tonywatch  Find all comments by Tonywatch
penned wrote:
Tonywatch, if you think all those things are true, why provoke?
I simply ask you to read his comments under his alter ego and ask yourself a question: Would a Bible Believing Christian post such falsehood under such a ***well chosen*** moniker? Visiting 'aliens' and such false nonsense about hell? WHY?

No!

The answer why? Is another question which Tony alone can only answer.

Yes you are correct that it is wrong to provoke or even encourage him, as he won't go away until he is banned as previous occasions.

But as he never did accept any admonishment/correction from at least six brethren I could name- over the last few years-no repentance, then should he be exposed?

Humour sometimes can achieve an adequate warning, or we can leave him alone.

Yes I will give it a rest as Tony will be pleased. Maybe your pen can expose him from now on or should we let him deceive others? What do you think?

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News Item4/28/14 7:11 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
penned wrote:
Tonywatch, if you think all those things are true, why provoke?
regardless, the franklin coverup is something people should know about, just as RCC spent years covering up things, but evangelicals are too busy infighting.
Penned did you not notice my post, a grand jury found the whole thing to be fraudulent and even indited the instigators for perjury. Do the facts make no difference?
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News Item4/28/14 6:59 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Tonywatch, if you think all those things are true, why provoke?

regardless, the franklin coverup is something people should know about, just as RCC spent years covering up things, but evangelicals are too busy infighting.

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News Item4/28/14 6:42 PM
Tonywatch  Find all comments by Tonywatch
Tony wrote:
pennelope: Don't Believe Their LIES & Attempted Character Assassinations Of Me; As, They Know They Can't Physically Assassinate Me: Because My Bodyguards--Who Are Marksmen--Would Blow Their Heads Off If They Tried !
One of the best ever 'comic' (or is it delusional) quotes ever seen on SermonAudio. Disagree with Tony and he thinks folk on here are out to assassinate him!

His bodyguards would blow some heads off? What with-your 'gospel-gun'?

Warning

What did John say again about 'medication'?

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News Item4/28/14 5:05 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
The last church I attended regularly seemed to have solid Biblical teachings in the sermons, yet the behaviour of a retired pastor caused me to issue a complaint to the present pastor.

The situation: I was sitting with another woman and her daughter after church while we were eating together, and the little girl was saying to her mother that she was feeling hot (she didn't look well and her skin was flushed). When the retired pastor heard what the little girl had told her mother he said: "The ladies do tend to get a little hot when I enter a room!" I was very offended that he would say this of the nine year old girl's remarks, and the jest that any women or girl would have any sort of sexual arousal over him even jokingly was sickeningly to me.

I reported it to the pastor who talked about it with other members of the church who decided the remark was not offensive ~ I was also blamed by the present pastor for having a skewed view, and was ordered by the pastor's wife to talk with the retired pastor privately to resolve the issue between ourselves, citing Matthew 18:15 ~ I was too uncomfortable to talk to him privately because I didn't trust him and I left the congregation also on account that the congregation was comfortable with the retired pastor's sexual jest.

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News Item4/28/14 4:08 PM
Tony  Find all comments by Tony
If Only THE REPUBLICANS & "FEDS" Would Break THEIR SILENCE & Tell THE TRUTH ABOUT

***THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP***:

"HOMOXSEXUAL PROSTITUTION INQUIRY ENSNARES VIPs WITH REAGAN, BUSH

The Washington Times, 6-29-89
By Paul M Rodriquez & George Archibald

[Continued]

A charge also was discovered against the credit card of a former White House staffer who prepared the president's daily news summary in the Reagan administration.

Todd A. Blodgett said he had not made the charge.

One of the ring's big-spending clients is Craig J. Spence, Washington socialite and international trade consultant, according to documents and interviews with operators and prostitutes who say they engaged in sexual activities with Mr. Spence.

Mr. Spence spent upwards of $20,000 a month for male prostitutes who provided sex to him and his friends, said to include military personnel who also acted as his 'body-guards'.

It was Mr. Spence who arranged the nocturnal tour of the Reagan White house.

Repeated attempts to reach Mr. Spence by telephone, fax machine and personal visits to his home, were unsuccessful.

Credit card vouchers confirm that Mr. Spence charged thousands of dollars on American Express and Visa cards, sometimes making $600 charges against his cards several times..." !

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News Item4/28/14 3:57 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Tony wrote:
...
For penned and Tony, a grand jury INVESTIGATED the allegations, something you could NOT do, and they determined,

"After investigation, a grand jury in Douglas County (of which Omaha, Nebraska is the largest city and county seat) determined the abuse allegations were baseless, describing them as a "carefully crafted hoax" and indicted two of the accusers on PERJURY charges."

Later, a federal grand jury concluded that the abuse allegations were unfounded and indicted 21 year old Alisha Owen, an alleged victim, on eight counts of PERJURY

referenced wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations

from a very biased against Bush and Reagan source the NYT

looks like you need to give that little conspiracy theory up, but I doubt you will

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News Item4/28/14 3:32 PM
Tony  Find all comments by Tony
The Only Hysterical Funny-Mental-Cases Are "[Ph]on[e]ywatch" & His "Je[w]suit[ic]s" Who Want To COVER-UP **THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP** !

If Only THE REPUBLICANS & "FEDS" Would Break THEIR SILENCE--Like Br. Bill Gothard Broke His Silence--And Tell THE TRUTH ABOUT

***THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP*** &:

"HOMOXSEXUAL PROSTITUTION INQUIRY ENSNARES VIPs WITH REAGAN, BUSH-

The Washington Times, 6-29-89
By Paul M Rodriquez & George Archibald

[Continued]

A charge also was discovered against the credit card of a former White House staffer who prepared the president's daily news summary in the Reagan administration.

Todd A. Blodgett said he had not made the charge.

One of the ring's big-spending clients is Craig J. Spence, Washington socialite and international trade consultant, according to documents and interviews with operators and prostitutes who say they engaged in sexual activities with Mr. Spence.

Mr. Spence spent upwards of $20,000 a month for male prostitutes who provided sex to him and his friends, said to include military personnel who also acted as his 'body-guards'.

It was Mr. Spence who arranged the nocturnal tour of the Reagan White house.

Repeated attempts to reach Mr. Spence by telephone, fax machine and personal visits to his home, were unsuccessful.

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News Item4/28/14 3:17 PM
Tonywatch  Find all comments by Tonywatch
Jim Lincoln wrote:
tonywatch.
Just seeking to avoid 'hysterical' fundamentalism
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News Item4/28/14 3:09 PM
Tonywatch  Find all comments by Tonywatch
Tony wrote:
I Never Said That Using A Pseudonym Was Evil Or Wrong--
Nothing wrong with different Monikers as the Lord knows the heart and reason.

What is wrong is what you actually said as 'A Bible Christian Who Believes'-ridiculing the doctrine of Eternal Punishment and more-with your pal JV. A complete joke.

Christians post 'facts' not lies and fiction.

You waste your time defending the indefensible, why not admit repent and move on? Because you are not a TRUE BELIEVER?

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News Item4/28/14 3:02 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
tonywatch.

By the way people in the Chicago/Hammond area who are tired of watching Tony try out the Christian Fellowship Church this Sunday and avoid Red Hot Preaching that is practiced by at least one large church in the Hammond area.

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News Item4/28/14 2:56 PM
Tony  Find all comments by Tony
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News Item4/28/14 2:49 PM
Tonywatch  Find all comments by Tonywatch
Tony's now seeking a disciple

'Another Bible Christian Who (Makes) Believe'

Your wasting your time here, Tony.

Do you hit your converts over the head with your 'gospel gun' after you totally stun with your CAPS LOCK and drivel?

Reading your comments and especially the ones under' A Bible Christian Who Believes' I would, if I had signed a decision card, hand it back in if I thought you represented my Glorious Lord and Saviour. Thanks be to God my salvation is all of GRACE and God keeps His sheep from the wolf-for it is by His grace ALONE that the elect are not deceived.

You sum it up nicely 'Phoney watch'.

As your old moniker-that is what you are proven and you don't even dare to refute it or be condemned BY YOUR OWN CAPS LOCK. A 'phoney' deliberately mocking the faith through your absurd Christian pretence and conspiracy junk.

I only need to refer 'any' to your posts and they can make up their own mind

Again I ask, how is your friend JV?

Don't be shy, now

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News Item4/28/14 2:08 PM
Tonywatch  Find all comments by Tonywatch
Tony wrote:
"[Ph]on[e]ywatch" & his fellow-Devils Notice How The Character Assassins ('Je[w]suits') Never Post Their Real Names--But Use PHONEY Pseudynms Like "[Ph]on[e]ywatch"--

'I Was There In Spirit With Gun'

Condemned from your own lips...

'4/24/14 3:14 PM Gothard's Word Is Good'

Tony still won't repent of his infamous moniker!

zzzzz...nice try Tony, but your words are still on display here on SermonAudio as above link-how is JV these days.

What have you got to say about the above 'facts'?

Nothing as usual but slander.

If I posted my name you wouldn't post as you know you'll be exposed, you wait until you think you can fool around and no one remembers the deliberate deception of 'A Christian Who Believes'.

The LORD will expose you 'for your sin is found out'

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News Item4/28/14 12:28 PM
Tonywatch  Find all comments by Tonywatch
Pennelope

Be careful as Tony needs to break his own silence on his posts as 'Bible Christian Who Believes' before it would be wise to dialogue with him!

'Dialogue with the Devil' would be certain agreement with fundamental Christian doctrine, but the works of the Devil would always be exposed by the bad fruit.

Tony might think I am harassing him, but it is very clear, until he answers what he was up to posting as 'a Bible Christian Who Believes' and uttering some of the most ridiculous statements ever seen on this comments section. Whether it be on the most serious subject- the doctrine of Hell, or even common sense- his sin in ridiculing those is open to all and needs continually rebuked. Even worse he wilfully chose the moniker' A Bible Christian Who Believes'.

Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them

1 Timothy 5:20
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Tony is a deceiver and conspiracy junkie-by his words!

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News Item4/28/14 11:38 AM
Tony  Find all comments by Tony
pennelope wrote:
yes, Tony, it would be good if they broke their silence on the Franklin coverup.
pennelope: I Take A Special Interest In The Franklin Cover-Up Because One Of The Men, Who Had HARD-CORE Evidence (A Book-List With Names, Phone-Numbers, Etc.) Was Murdered With His Young Son When Their Airplane Was Sabotaged & Crashed Over The Aurora, IL, Airport Killing Both Ocupants--And The Book-List Turned Up Missing After A "FED" Confiscation Of The Strewn Debris (I Ran For Alderman In Aurora A Few Years Later) !

OH, IF ONLY THE REPUBLICANS & "FEDS" WOULD BREAK THEIR SILENCE ON THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP &

"HOMOSEXUAL PROSTITUTION INQUIRY ENSNARES VIPs WITH REAGAN, BUSH

'Call Boys Tour White House

The Washington Times 6-29-89
By Paul M Rodriquez & George Archibald

[Continued]

A charge also was discovered against the credit card of a former White House staffer who prepared the president's daily news summary in the Reagan Administration.

One of the ring's big-epending clients is Craig J. Spence

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News Item4/28/14 9:59 AM
pennelope  Find all comments by pennelope
yes, Tony, it would be good if they broke their silence on the Franklin coverup.
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News Item4/28/14 9:04 AM
Tony  Find all comments by Tony
AND If Only The REPUBLICANS & "FEDS" Break Their Silence On THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP &

"HOMOSEXUAL PROSTITUTION INQUIRY ENSNARES VIPs WITH REAGAN, BUSH

'Call Boys' Took Midnight Tour Of White House

The Washington Times 6-29-89
By Paul M Rodriquez & George Archibald

[Continued]

At least one highly placed Bush administration official and a wealthy bussinessman who procured homosexual prostitutes from the escort services operated by the ring are cooperating with the investigation, several sources said.

Among clients who charged homosexual prostitution services on major credit cards over the past 18 months are Charles K. Dutcher, former associate director of presidential personnel in the Reagan administration, and Paul R. Balach, Labor Secretary Elizabeth Dole's political personnel liaison to the White House.

In the 1970s, Mr. Dutcher was a congressional aide to former Rep. Robert Bauman, Maryland Republican, who resigned from the House after he admitted having engaged in sexual liaisons with teenage male prostitutes.

Mr. Dutcher also worked on the staff of Vice President Dan Quayle when he represented an Indiana district in the House.

A charge also was discovered against the credit card of a former White House staffer who prepared the president's daily..." !

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