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SUNDAY, APR 13, 2014  |  67 comments
Pope Francis: ‘The Devil is Here, Even in the 21st Century’
The Devil does not want people to follow Christ, so he tempts them, and this is not old-fashioned rhetoric because “the Devil is here, even in the 21st century” and we must learn “how to fight against Satan,” said Pope Francis during his homily at Mass on Friday in Rome.

Speaking in the chapel of the Vatican guesthouse, St. Martha’s House, where he resides, Pope Francis told the small audience gathered there that just as Jesus Christ was tempted in the desert by Satan, so too is every person in today’s world tempted by the Devil. ...


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News Item4/19/14 7:07 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
When it comes to Christ speaking about the little children, I always took it as Him referring to their innocence and blind faith. As we age, we lose this quality very quickly, becoming hardened by life experiences, disappointments, education, and family life. We form our opinions based upon what we are taught, being molded as children and closing our minds as we enter into adulthood. I think Christ's comments wrap around being tainted and hardened as adults and warning that nobody can truly love Him, or pick up their cross to follow Him unless they revert back to the blind faith and humble, obediant, open minded, innocence they had as children...letting go and letting God kind of thing. Maybe it means something entirely different, but that's how I've always read into it.
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News Item4/18/14 2:48 PM
SoSad  Find all comments by SoSad
Mike wrote:
The verse has nothing to do with baptism of babies, and everything to do with the simple faith/trust of children
Re Matt 19:14
Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Mike I guess the quote "simple faith/trust of children" is banned in the Baptist church since you apparently don't recognise it as reason to baptise the child.

Jesus recorded as the Word of God
"Suffer little children"
"forbid them not"
"come unto me"
"of such is the Kingdom of God"

Christ Jesus words "Suffer" or yield up specifically "little children."
Jesus the Son of God clearly receives little children no qualification or confession required by the infant to come to the Lord.

Baptist - No way Jesus we don't accept this command of yours. Children don't prove to us that they are good enough to be accepted - even if YOU say so.

Christ Jesus "forbid them not"

Baptist - NO! Even if you do emphasise it in this verse we refuse to obey. We Baptists remain adamant that we will not allow a child of ours to be brought into the church.

Christ Jesus - "of such is the Kingdom of God"

Baptist - Well you might think so but we require human verbal proof before we obey your command.

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News Item4/18/14 1:21 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
Jenny Geddes writes,

Save your breath sister. I've been down the long road with them, and there's no reasoning with them along these lines. There is no one who loves Spurgeon more than I, but he got the doctrines of the covenant wrong. But they drag this quote out every time you bring it up as though he was an Apostle. Then they criticize you if you quote Calvin. They control the debate along their lines of fallacy.

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News Item4/17/14 2:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dorcas, thank you for repeating what he said. Considering we are not under the old covenant anyway, and the apostle Paul thoroughly condemned circumcision, it is anti-biblical for a Christian to think that circumcision does the any good!

ROM 4:11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be reckoned to them,
ROM 4:12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.
ROM 4:13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.---NASB

Now in this country, male babies are circumcised in a routine manner, at least in the past. but these outward signs don't make or break you as a Christian, Baptism: Truth or Tradition.

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News Item4/17/14 1:01 PM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
Amen brethren Amen.
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News Item4/17/14 12:34 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
John UK
Me too!
Because honestly not all "reformed" turn themselves into 'benevolent religious tyrannts' out to control others in their faith.
Some like Spurgeon urged faith in Christ.
Other exhort people to read the Scriptures for themselves.
Still others pour their hearts out to God in prayer and a famous for telling the lost of Christ.
I am not speaking of such.
Thank you bro. I think the Lord would have us without hypocrisy, and that the letter of the law is no subsititute for the spirit of the law. Churchianity never did cut it with the Lord, as history proves. The only thing that counts is a new creature, a circumcised heart, dead to self, and wholeheartedly for the Lord. The one who takes up his cross is a man who is not going home.

Amos 5:21-24 KJV
21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

BUT! BUT!

24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

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News Item4/17/14 11:16 AM
Michael Hranek | Chickamauga, GA for the moment  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
I'm still pondering this, Michael.
John UK
Me too!

Because honestly not all "reformed" turn themselves into 'benevolent religious tyrannts' out to control others in their faith.

Some like Spurgeon urged faith in Christ.
Other exhort people to read the Scriptures for themselves.
Still others pour their hearts out to God in prayer and a famous for telling the lost of Christ.

I am not speaking of such.

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News Item4/17/14 11:05 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Dorcas
John UK
In considering how, 'The Devil is here, even in the 21st Century', and the comments on this thread and others.
I am concerned there is a real 'devil', a spirit in and behind what I am calling "Reformed Priestcraft"
If those in church leadership actually lifted up the immeasurable importance of the word of God in the life of believers, and sought to teach them to personally read the Bible for all its worth, IMHO we would see an enmormous decrease in the abuse of verses such as Matt 19:14 to propagandize infant sprinklings, and other garbage as well________and a great increase in people's lives of the reality of John 8:31,32...If you abide in My word
"Reformed Priestcraft" IMHO seeks to divert people from what Scripture actually says, to what they want to make Scripture say to conform to their system of theology, and bring people into and under their bondage. This is something the RCC, the cults and false religions do. Keep people from reading the word of God for themselves, get them 'dependant' (enslaved/addicted) to their own teachings.
I'm still pondering this, Michael.
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News Item4/17/14 8:55 AM
Michael Hranek | Chickamauga, GA for the moment  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Dorcas
John UK

In considering how, 'The Devil is here, even in the 21st Century', and the comments on this thread and others.

I am concerned there is a real 'devil', a spirit in and behind what I am calling "Reformed Priestcraft"

If those in church leadership actually lifted up the immeasurable importance of the word of God in the life of believers, and sought to teach them to personally read the Bible for all its worth, IMHO we would see an enmormous decrease in the abuse of verses such as Matt 19:14 to propagandize infant sprinklings, and other garbage as well________and a great increase in people's lives of the reality of John 8:31,32...If you abide in My word

"Reformed Priestcraft" IMHO seeks to divert people from what Scripture actually says, to what they want to make Scripture say to conform to their system of theology, and bring people into and under their bondage. This is something the RCC, the cults and false religions do. Keep people from reading the word of God for themselves, get them 'dependant' (enslaved/addicted) to their own teachings.

Just mulling here, as in my hometown area there is a pastor who makes 'the truth shall set you free' into an empty cliche by omitting ...If you abide in My word then... failing to exhort people to read their Bibles

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News Item4/17/14 4:10 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dorcas wrote:
Concerning Matthew 19:14--------------------------
"To this we give this one word, see that ye read the Word as it is written, and you will find no water in it but the Lord Jesus only. Are the water and Christ the same thing? Is bringing a child to a font bringing the child to Christ? Nay, here is a wide difference, as wide as between false doctrine and the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ".
C.H. Spurgeon
Herein lies the heart of the matter. When some folks read their Bible, they seem to see things which just aren't there.

Thanks Dorcas for posting the quote, always good to see Ingleesi in print, always a blessing.

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News Item4/17/14 1:17 AM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
Read the Bible wrote:
Baptists delete the verses of the establishment of the Covenant of Grace with Abraham in Genesis 17. The reason they do this is because GOD ordains and demonstrates that the sign and seal of the Covenant is to be administered to babies. And as you know Baptists exclude babies because they cannot speak. The Baptist church does not have babies in its Tradition contrary to God's ordained Word and Covenant law. Christ Jesus is the Mediator of the Covenant of Grace and the Baptists by their Tradition refuse to bring their infants to Jesus.
Matt 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Concerning Matthew 19:14--------------------------
"To this we give this one word, see that ye read the Word as it is written, and you will find no water in it but the Lord Jesus only. Are the water and Christ the same thing? Is bringing a child to a font bringing the child to Christ? Nay, here is a wide difference, as wide as between false doctrine and the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ".
C.H. Spurgeon

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News Item4/16/14 5:50 PM
Baptist  Find all comments by Baptist
sharing good news wrote:
Of course I love you Baptists. Why do you think I am trying to get you to see the truth of Scripture?
Strange love, that no one feels.

I have news for you - The WCF, and your reformed theologians are NOT Scripture!!

sharing good news wrote:
The only problem I have with Baptists is their abject fear of debate. I sometimes wonder if you all are a bit insecure with your theology.
I have been following threads on here for years. I can honestly say that I have never seen you engage in 'debate', unless you think that baiting, lying and hit and run tactics, without ever engaging with anyone, amounts to debate!

sharing good news wrote:
All I did below is answer Christopher's question and look at the adverse attacks you throw at me? Surely you practice love thy neighbour in your religion?
God Bless.
The reaction you got was because you repeated one of your constant lies, you jerk.

Actually, loving neighbour in your religion is something Presbyterians do. If not, why try and convert Baptists to Presbyterianism? Not enough that we believe the gospel?

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News Item4/16/14 5:38 PM
NRC  Find all comments by NRC
Sharing....funny, not one Baptist feels your "love" on this forum, only your disdain.
Typical of you "Reformed". Popery still clings to ya!
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News Item4/16/14 4:58 PM
Michael Hranek | Chickamauga, GA for the moment  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
sharing good news wrote:
Of course I love you Baptists.
Sharing
Really? Don't ask me to testify for you in a court of law.
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News Item4/16/14 3:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Which verses "Sharing Good News"? The Jews even reject that as canon, I really would suggest that you read, How We Got Our Bible. All Protestants reject the Apocrypha

Are you talking about the Catholic apocrypha that are in some of the older versions of the Bible? Now of course there are List of Bible verses not included in modern translations. You'll find Presbyterians use these modern versions that don't have these verses in them, such as the ESV, but since they weren't sanctioned by God--Rip them out Personally, I would have preferred these Romish verses have brackets around them, rather then they being entirely removed, since they are of historical interest, and some modern versions do that to a varying extent.

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News Item4/16/14 2:31 PM
sharing good news  Find all comments by sharing good news
Baptist wrote:
2. Shows no love to believers of the Baptist persuasion
Of course I love you Baptists. Why do you think I am trying to get you to see the truth of Scripture?
The only problem I have with Baptists is their abject fear of debate. I sometimes wonder if you all are a bit insecure with your theology.
All I did below is answer Christopher's question and look at the adverse attacks you throw at me? Surely you practice love thy neighbour in your religion?
God Bless.
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News Item4/16/14 1:56 PM
Baptist  Find all comments by Baptist
Read the Bible wrote:
Baptists delete the verses of the establishment of the Covenant of Grace with Abraham in Genesis 17. Lies and more lies...
What are we to think of a person:

1. Who has been posting lies on here for over 9 years, and gives no indications that he values Bible truth over his preferred theology?

2. Shows no love to believers of the Baptist persuasion, but is all too willing to show how he despises them on every occasion?

3. Who shows great irreverence for the Bible by constantly imposing a meaning on verses, instead of letting the Bible speak for itself?

4. Who never responds to legitimate questions about his understanding? E.g. Where does Gen 17 say it is the covenant of grace, or that it was binding on any except Abraham and his physical seed?

5. Who will rather proof text and quote his favorite authors than the Bible alone?

6. Who, despite all attempts by innumerable people to address every fallacy he brings up, never learns and never arrives at the truth?

7. Who shows no signs of being born again? Presumably, his baptism makes him a "Christian"!

8. Who constantly changes his alias, pretending to be someone else with every post?

What are we to think of him? Tough call?! Don't think so.

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News Item4/16/14 11:31 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Mike wrote:
The verse has nothing to do with baptism of babies, and everything to do with the simple faith/trust of children.
Mark 10:15,16
"Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them."
Think about what it means that an adult must receive the kingdom as a little child.
Mike from New York, don't see any proof of what you say, being backed up by the WCF ANYWHERE in your post. How can that be reliable???
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News Item4/16/14 11:13 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Read the Bible wrote:
---
The Baptist church does not have babies in its Tradition contrary to God's ordained Word and Covenant law. Christ Jesus is the Mediator of the Covenant of Grace and the Baptists by their Tradition refuse to bring their infants to Jesus.
Matt 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
The Baptist response is NO!
The verse has nothing to do with baptism of babies, and everything to do with the simple faith/trust of children.

Mark 10:15,16
"Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them."

Think about what it means that an adult must receive the kingdom as a little child.

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News Item4/16/14 10:54 AM
Jenny Geddes | From along time past  Find all comments by Jenny Geddes
Read the Bible wrote:
Baptists delete the verses of the establishment of the Covenant of Grace with Abraham in Genesis 17. The reason they do this is because GOD ordains and demonstrates that the sign and seal of the Covenant is to be administered to babies. And as you know Baptists exclude babies because they cannot speak. The Baptist church does not have babies in its Tradition contrary to God's ordained Word and Covenant law. Christ Jesus is the Mediator of the Covenant of Grace and the Baptists by their Tradition refuse to bring their infants to Jesus.
Matt 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
The Baptist response is NO!
You gonna whisper the mass in our ears next?
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