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Choice News THURSDAY, MAR 27, 2014  |  76 comments  |  1 commentary
World Vision to reverse gay marriage decision?

Less than 24 hours after international poverty ministry World Vision announced it would allow its American branch to hire employees in same-sex marriages, the Christian group is reportedly set to reverse its decision.

Board member Stephen Hayner, president of Columbia Theological Seminary, replied to an email inquiry from WORLD this afternoon concerning the outcry from evangelicals over the original decision: “The Board of World Vision is just concluding a meeting and will be releasing a statement shortly reversing the decision that was made. It was never the intention of the Board to undermine our firm commitment to the authority of the Scripture.” ...


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Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Lurker Wrote:
...As for me, I could live another 100 years and never learn all that the bible has to teach;...

Isn't that the truth. I think it's interesting how you can read the same passages, verse, or whatever, forever, and one day notice something that was previously hidden, understand it with a new set of glasses, or have it apply perfectly to a current life struggle, situation, etc. The Word of God really is living and breathing and becomes alive when the words venture their way from the head to the heart and become a part of your being, your purpose, your drive.

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News Item3/31/14 5:02 PM
Pink  Find all comments by Pink
"“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of.” This last clause “not to be repented of” tells of the durability of that which issues from this spiritual mourning, and as no effect can be greater than its cause it announces the lastingness of “godly sorrow.” It is a permanent grace. So long as a real Christian continues sinning he cannot but continue grieving: “my sin is ever before me” (Psa. 51:3) must be the language of one with a quickened conscience. Not until he reaches Heaven shall all tears be removed from the saint’s eyes. Nor does any believer ever regret repenting, no matter what anguish of soul may occasion and accompany it, for it is a turning from sin—the cause of all disquietude—to our true Resting-place. The sorrow of a worldling is of short duration, but the streams of spiritual contrition last as long as sin indwells the believer." (A.Pink)
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News Item3/31/14 10:29 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Lurker wrote:
John, Chris and Michael,
Thanks for your replies.
Lurker
You are more than welcome.
Thank you for illustrating how there is a wonderful godly and holy difference between how some study the Bible and how some study into the Bible.

With the Love of Christ 2 Cor 5:14,15
Off to run errands
with thankfulness for those in the family of God on SermonAudio

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News Item3/30/14 3:45 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker,
Thanks so much for your post.

Thankfully, with the 1689 Baptist Confession, I generally don't have to reject any biblical truth in the name of defending a fallible confession of faith.

But the WCF is a different matter, of course.

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News Item3/30/14 2:29 PM
Presby  Find all comments by Presby
Lurker wrote:
I have learned so much over the years by way of these discussion because they make one search the scriptures
Lurker. I completely agree with you here. (For a change) Over these last few years even going back to the good old days of JD and Yammil, I have had to search Scripture and study Reformed literature and Puritan writings to grow IN Christ and the wisdom of God. It has been a wonderful experience. You Baptists and others have helped me greatly by putting forward your opposing theories that I may seek the Biblical truth. Of course some discussions were a disappointment because of juvenile contempt being put forward instead of intelligent polemics from some Baptists. However as you say debate does help to promote good and productive research and in Scripture that is always excellent value and good food for the Christian.
I am a much more of a learned Presbyterian and knowledgeable Christian because of our debates. Thank you for that.
One of the ways which I have greatly benefited is to recognise, by grace, the entirely Biblical contribution of the WCF, Institutes and Puritan writings. When in common with the Reformers works, I unite with Scripture truth it is such a blessing. They certainly know their Bible doctrines.
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News Item3/30/14 1:06 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John, Chris and Michael,

Thanks for your replies. Please understand that I wrote what I did because of my own convictions and I won't criticize anyone for continuing to discuss with Presby and likeminded. I have learned so much over the years by way of these discussion because they make one search the scriptures and that is always a good thing. I believe it was John who recently wrote that it is easy to be a Christian when there is no opposition and that is so true.

As for me, I could live another 100 years and never learn all that the bible has to teach; the cover to cover harmony which one would expect from an all knowing Author. But what I have learned is that I can no longer be party to the deliberate rejection of biblical truth in the name of defending a fallible confession, doctrine, system of theology, etc. Neither can I continue to accept as a brother in Christ, anyone who willfully manipulates or just plain ignores God's precious words to uphold the doctrines of men.

. . .

Aha,

If you've been looking in and have anything you want to discuss, let us know. There are many knowledgeable brothers here and we'll do our best to answer your questions from the bible. No need for you and your wife to sit on the fence indefinitely.

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News Item3/30/14 8:45 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Lurker wrote:
John,
I read the responses to your post from Presby and noted his silence to my post as well. It is a rare occasion when I state openly if I believe someone to be unregenerate but I've come to the conclusion that this man is exactly that. He doesn't love God for if he did the Spirit of God would not allow him to trample the words of God under foot. His lips profess God but his heart is far removed. Presby loves his WCF, systematic theology, covenant theology, etc. and will do anything to cause the bible to conform to them. Christians don't do this.
Lurker
I appreciate your post more than I can put into words, but I will try to give in part why.

First it is humbling thing to face the reality of someone who 'know' whether they are saved or not, and do so on honest consideration of what they show us in their lives in light of the word of God and not what we want it to say or not say

Second you demonstrate in a real abiding in the Word of God we can know the Truth, and the Truth makes us free from those who would mislead us away from Christ and enslave us to whatever "Religion" they have made up for themselves or bought into

Such things promote a genuine love of God and fervent prayer for a real salvation of the lost

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News Item3/30/14 8:36 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Christopher000 wrote:
Observer left this forum because of this. I don't intend to leave but I will no longer cast God's precious pearls of wisdom to the hog wallow. Instead, I will treat Presby and likeminded like the Pharisaical trolls they are and ignore them
Good advie for anyone when they find that a person is here to confuse and divide, rather than have any serious discussion. Not focusing on Presby, but anyone whose mind is closed, full of insults, combative, and views themselves as God's emissaries all the while spouting every foul and nasty thing while condemning and judging others for not being Christians. Crazy stuff.
Anyone with half a brain could troll this board with multiple IDs arguing from different points of view. All one has to do is hit hot buttons. Look at humors attacks to provoke the elderly RK. But why when fools like observer will melt down without any help?
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News Item3/30/14 6:58 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Observer left this forum because of this. I don't intend to leave but I will no longer cast God's precious pearls of wisdom to the hog wallow. Instead, I will treat Presby and likeminded like the Pharisaical trolls they are and ignore them

Good advie for anyone when they find that a person is here to confuse and divide, rather than have any serious discussion. Not focusing on Presby, but anyone whose mind is closed, full of insults, combative, and views themselves as God's emissaries all the while spouting every foul and nasty thing while condemning and judging others for not being Christians. Crazy stuff.

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News Item3/30/14 6:30 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
John,
I read the responses to your post from Presby and noted his silence to my post as well. It is a rare occasion when I state openly if I believe someone to be unregenerate but I've come to the conclusion that this man is exactly that. He doesn't love God for if he did the Spirit of God would not allow him to trample the words of God under foot. His lips profess God but his heart is far removed. Presby loves his WCF, systematic theology, covenant theology, etc. and will do anything to cause the bible to conform to them. Christians don't do this.
Observer left this forum because of this. I don't intend to leave but I will no longer cast God's precious pearls of wisdom to the hog wallow. Instead, I will treat Presby and likeminded like the Pharisaical trolls they are and ignore them.
Yes bro it makes me wonder how many other "proof" texts in the WCF are wayward and no proof at all. Besides which, a single text is hardly sufficient to prove a doctrine. The whole Bible has to be taken into account when formulating sound doctrine.

I've now lost count of how many unanswered questions we've asked. I can only guess that it causes them to feel threatened. That says a lot about their way of thinking.

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News Item3/29/14 11:19 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Who is it who does the baptising? The Holy Spirit.

Does the Holy Spirit baptise with water? No.

Question. Why then do you imagine that water baptism is mentioned in this text?
Is there no-one who will admit that the WCF has its proof text completely wrong?

John,

I read the responses to your post from Presby and noted his silence to my post as well. It is a rare occasion when I state openly if I believe someone to be unregenerate but I've come to the conclusion that this man is exactly that. He doesn't love God for if he did the Spirit of God would not allow him to trample the words of God under foot. His lips profess God but his heart is far removed. Presby loves his WCF, systematic theology, covenant theology, etc. and will do anything to cause the bible to conform to them. Christians don't do this.

Observer left this forum because of this. I don't intend to leave but I will no longer cast God's precious pearls of wisdom to the hog wallow. Instead, I will treat Presby and likeminded like the Pharisaical trolls they are and ignore them.

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News Item3/29/14 4:22 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
Christians are baptized by the washing of the Word and by His Spirit..same way one comes to the saving knowledge of Christ..through His Word and by His Spirit..no one comes to the father unless they are drawn by His Spirit..and faith comes by hearing the word (Word of God). The church is instrumental in baptism only in so far as it is faithful in preaching the Word.
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News Item3/29/14 4:00 PM
Sacraments  Find all comments by Sacraments
Mike wrote:
None of these verses have anything to do with the ordinances you call sacraments. Nothing in Scripture says it must be a "lawfully ordained" (so-called)minister who baptizes.
Mike. You Baptists worry me. Those verses are accurate to support the Sacraments. And the "lawfully ordained" of God.
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News Item3/29/14 3:44 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Contact via emailFind all comments by Stevenr
Mike: you said it before I had the chance; if you take the example from Scripture, the anyone who preaches the Gospel would be one who Baptises (water Baptism as a testimony) Paul rarely Baptized, and him being the missionary/apostle born out if time. He even specifically states he was sent "...not to baptize, but to preach the gospel..." (I Corinthians 1:17) You would think if Baptism was so important, it would be more of a priority for him, eh?
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News Item3/29/14 2:15 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Sacraments wrote:
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4. There be only two sacraments ordained by Christ our Lord in the Gospel, that is to say, Baptism and the Supper of the Lord: neither of which may be dispensed by any but by a minister of the Word lawfully ordained.a
a. Mat 28:19-20, 19; 1 Cor 4:1; 11:20, 23; Heb 5:4.
None of these verses have anything to do with the ordinances you call sacraments. Nothing in Scripture says it must be a "lawfully ordained" (so-called)minister who baptizes.
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News Item3/29/14 12:48 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
Duh wrote:
I don't agree brother.
1 Cor 10 refers to the crossing of the Red Sea - they were 'baptized unto Moses', not Joshua!

RK responds,

Poor Moses, left out of the types and shadows again.

Hebrews 11:27-29 KJV
[27] By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. [28] Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. [29] By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land : which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

BTW, good alias; very appropriate. I love the way you Egyptians and Jesuits incriminate yourselves.

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News Item3/29/14 12:44 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Sacraments wrote:
Yes....blah blah blah
I refer you to the answer I gave last week, and if you want to hold a sensible conversation I suggest you decide on a moniker and stick to it, instead of continually changing it.
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News Item3/29/14 12:35 PM
Sacraments  Find all comments by Sacraments
John UK wrote:
I refer you to the answer I gave you six years ago, which you ignored.
Yes John. I didn't think you would answer those questions. Perhaps if you would think more deeply about these points you try to bring up we might move in a more reasoned and intelligent direction in Bible exposition.
Your posts below separated the Holy Spirit from the grace of baptism thereby making it a purely mortal experience of no consequence. Since baptism was ordained of God and Christ it is far far more than just human dunking.

SACRAMENTS:: - "Sacraments are holy signs and seals of the covenant of grace, immediately instituted by God, to represent Christ and his benefits, and to confirm our interest in him ....."

WCF 27/2. There is in every sacrament a spiritual relation or sacramental union, between the sign and the thing signified; whence it comes to pass that the names and the effects of the one are attributed to the other.a
a. Gen 17:10; Mat 26:27-28; Titus 3:5.

4. There be only two sacraments ordained by Christ our Lord in the Gospel, that is to say, Baptism and the Supper of the Lord: neither of which may be dispensed by any but by a minister of the Word lawfully ordained.a
a. Mat 28:19-20, 19; 1 Cor 4:1; 11:20, 23; Heb 5:4.

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News Item3/29/14 12:32 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
". . . It was never the intention of the Board to undermine our firm commitment to the authority of the Scripture.”

Ok, why did they even consider to go along with this nonsense to start? They would not be having to back track. What are they hiding?

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News Item3/29/14 11:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
more facts wrote:
John when your Baptist church baptises a person - Is the Holy Spirit involved - or NOT?
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body"
When the person is baptised - is it a meaningless and powerless human event in its entirety? Or is the Holy Spirit involved?
Is the Baptist ceremony/rite of baptism entirely human and of nil consequence to God and Christ?
Does the Baptist church ordinance of baptism have no spiritual effect whatsoever?
In which case are you suggesting that baptism is a complete irrelevance to the Baptist church AND the individual being dunked, and therefore can be discarded completely from Baptist Theology and religion?
I refer you to the answer I gave you six years ago, which you ignored.
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