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FRONT PAGE  |  6/29/2015
FRIDAY, MAR 21, 2014  |  24 comments
Tit for Tat: Russia hits US officials with sanctions
The Russian government slapped sanctions on top U.S. officials on Thursday, moments after President Obama imposed penalties on 20 Russians inside and outside the government -- as diplomatic efforts over Ukraine unraveled into a long-distance tit for tat.

The newest sanctions would bar nine American officials from entering Russia. The list includes House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio; Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.; and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

Just as Vladimir Putin's government shrugged off U.S. sanctions earlier in the week, so did the Americans targeted by Moscow. ...


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News Item3/27/14 5:20 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Taking the SermonAudio article As the example, then rushes should put back missiles into Cuba if we put missiles into Poland? They would certainly use that as an excuse to do that.
The military budget of the US, as I remember the article stating in the NYT, all the nations of NATO have cut their military budgets, but the US less than the others. So, what would be a good idea is to raise taxes at least on the most wealthy in this country and increased military spending while having enough money for such programs as the ACA.
Well, since Obama is carrying on many of Babyface Bush's programs, then he must be doing something right?
Excellent dancing, Jim.
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News Item3/27/14 2:11 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Taking the SermonAudio article As the example, then rushes should put back missiles into Cuba if we put missiles into Poland? They would certainly use that as an excuse to do that.

The military budget of the US, as I remember the article stating in the NYT, all the nations of NATO have cut their military budgets, but the US less than the others. So, what would be a good idea is to raise taxes at least on the most wealthy in this country and increased military spending while having enough money for such programs as the ACA.

Well, since Obama is carrying on many of Babyface Bush's programs, then he must be doing something right?

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News Item3/27/14 8:25 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
You're finally getting the picture, Mike! By the way, something Baby-Face started. Russia picked the right time to move. Military Cuts Render NATO Less Formidable as Deterrent to Russia.
From the link:
"In part to force European nations to pay more, Mr. Obama has continued the most recent drawdown of American forces from Europe that started in the George W. Bush administration. But Mr. Obama is cutting the forces to new lows."

Europe should supply its own army. Cutting the troops was the right idea. Is Obama also an idiot for continuing to do so? His removal of missiles from Poland was the wrong idea, and that was definitely encouragement to Putin. Try to get your facts factual, Jim.

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News Item3/27/14 8:01 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
You're finally getting the picture, Mike! By the way, something Baby-Face started. Russia picked the right time to move. Military Cuts Render NATO Less Formidable as Deterrent to Russia.
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News Item3/24/14 3:06 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike, I assume you mean Bush Sr.'s idiot son, Babyface? Bush: Terrible President, Also Not a Smart Man You should've looked over the article from the BBC, about what may happen next. The leaders of Ukraine should have taken as an example, Finland. Also some of the other countries that are bordering Russia. They have a enough sense not to prod the Russian bear and keep a low profile. The new government in the Ukraine certainly didn't follow any good examples.
So, when you say NATO, you're really saying United States, and you think the United States should get in a land war with Russia. Every country that has done that has regretted that. I understand, though I didn't hear it, Henry Kissinger had a interview on NPR. He made the same point about the Ukraine staying away from NATO and following the Finish example of dealing with Russia.
I doubt if Russia was ever going to tolerate an independent Crimea especially one governed by unfriendly country, unfortunately one wonders if they are going also tolerate an independent Ukraine? The Ukrainian government was smart enough not to start a shooting war with Russia, I hope we can stay that way.
Lots of words, but the most telling is your calling Bush an idiot.
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News Item3/24/14 2:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike, I assume you mean Bush Sr.'s idiot son, Babyface? Bush: Terrible President, Also Not a Smart Man. You should've looked over the article from the BBC, about what may happen next. The leaders of Ukraine should have taken as an example, Finland. Also some of the other countries that are bordering Russia. They have a enough sense not to prod the Russian bear and keep a low profile. The new government in the Ukraine certainly didn't follow any good examples.

So, when you say NATO, you're really saying United States, and you think the United States should get in a land war with Russia. Every country that has done that has regretted that. I understand, though I didn't hear it, Henry Kissinger had a interview on NPR. He made the same point about the Ukraine staying away from NATO and following the Finish example of dealing with Russia.

I doubt if Russia was ever going to tolerate an independent Crimea especially one governed by unfriendly country, unfortunately one wonders if they are going also tolerate an independent Ukraine? The Ukrainian government was smart enough not to start a shooting war with Russia, I hope we can stay that way.

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News Item3/24/14 8:41 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Things do seem to be getting more chilly between NATO countries and Russia. This is an opinion piece from your neck of the woods, John U.K., Analysis: Russia's Crimeamove poses West huge questions.
Too bad they didn't listen to Bush and bring Ukraine into NATO.
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News Item3/24/14 6:55 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Things do seem to be getting more chilly between NATO countries and Russia. This is an opinion piece from your neck of the woods, John U.K., Analysis: Russia's Crimeamove poses West huge questions.
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News Item3/23/14 6:22 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Yes; before the Nat'l Security Act of 1947 it was called (with more honesty) the Dept. of War, just as the UK once had its War Office.
Service slang for the Pentagon: Five-Sided Squirrel Cage; Fort Fumble.
Ah yes, Neil, thank you. The DoD and MoD sound far more friendly and harmless than the originals, even to the degree of ranking it propaganda.
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News Item3/22/14 9:59 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Oh, I take it your DoD is Dept of Defense? We have MoD in the UK (Ministry of Defense).
Yes; before the Nat'l Security Act of 1947 it was called (with more honesty) the Dept. of War, just as the UK once had its War Office.

Service slang for the Pentagon: Five-Sided Squirrel Cage; Fort Fumble.

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News Item3/22/14 3:36 PM
technot  Find all comments by technot
Neil wrote:
You mean ICBMs? I'm pretty sure they get regular maintenance, if DoD budgeted enough for it. Just as with consumer products, weapons cost money to own, not just purchase. This is one of the downsides of having many possessions
A good war where you can annihilate millions of tax payers is so very expensive today we might need to allow them to live. As we can see in the Muslim countries there is more slaughter accomplished with a few cheap ak47's and home made ied's than all your sophisticated electronic ironmongery.
Now that is a better way of reducing the tax burden.

World War Three is coming along shortly but the final outcome will be whoever is broke first is the loser.

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News Item3/22/14 3:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
You mean ICBMs? I'm pretty sure they get regular maintenance, if DoD budgeted enough for it. Just as with consumer products, weapons cost money to own, not just purchase. This is one of the downsides of having many possessions.
Yes Neil, I was referring to missiles. It was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I figured that as no-one likes to waste anything, especially if it was really, really expensive, maybe the two guvs were thinking it was high time to make use of their ageing weaponry before it turns to dust. After all, when were these things built? Some of them must be decades old.

Oh, I take it your DoD is Dept of Defense? We have MoD in the UK (Ministry of Defense).

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News Item3/22/14 2:31 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
I wonder if IBM's have a "Use By" date?
You mean ICBMs? I'm pretty sure they get regular maintenance, if DoD budgeted enough for it. Just as with consumer products, weapons cost money to own, not just purchase. This is one of the downsides of having many possessions.

Now if you •really• meant IBM, then you'd have to ask them. Did you know the Soviets copied their System/360 architecture? And that Fred Brooks, one of its project managers, is a professing evangelical Christian? He wrote “The Mythical Man-Month,“ a classic management text. He's a great lecturer, even admitting his team's failures (re JCL). Wish more Christians would do that.

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News Item3/22/14 6:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I wonder if IBM's have a "Use By" date?
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News Item3/22/14 1:32 AM
Nat | Australia  Find all comments by Nat
My sister just returned from Ukraine a few weeks ago. Don't listen to pro Russian propaganda that make it seem they have every right to take over Crimea. Everyone there knows the referendum was duped. Even Russians who live there are confused with why Russia would take such action and make Ukrainian people seem like the bad guy
People obviously only know what the media tells them and that is biased in itself. You actually have to speak to people who live there.
There will be a war and it will be soon
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News Item3/21/14 8:45 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
Sorry to see Russia give up on that short list. As far as I'm concerned I wouldn't want that bunch either, but I thought we had a chance for Russia to take them off our hands. Politically they are a much better fit with them.
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News Item3/21/14 8:39 PM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
Better break out the ushanka and Russkiy mekh. Looks like the Cold War is fired up again. Looks like everything we have worked for has been undone in 5 short years.
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News Item3/21/14 2:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
There is no seriousness to the faceoff. Each side is sanctioning by disallowing particular people from the other side to visit. This cannot cause economic harm, or change minds, nor is it intended to. It's bluster for show, imo.
In other words, Mike, it's childish behaviour. Only to be expected due to lack of wisdom, I guess.
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News Item3/21/14 1:42 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
There is no seriousness to the faceoff. Each side is sanctioning by disallowing particular people from the other side to visit. This cannot cause economic harm, or change minds, nor is it intended to. It's bluster for show, imo.
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News Item3/21/14 11:38 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
I just see the pace picking up.
Thank you Christopher for your lengthy post, it sure is all cracking off, and I don't think it will be long.

It seems as though the whole world except Wales is fighting.

penned wrote:
yep. currency and pipelines and who gets to be world power, or one world power.
Do you mean it's just a faceoff between Russia and USA? Just testing the waters, see who can afford a proper fight?

As I see it, Crimea was very content to be annexed to Ukraine while it was pro-Russia. But now that the Ukrainian president has been forcibly chucked out because the people want to be part of Europe, I don't blame the Crimeans for holding a referendum in democracy and voting to come under Russia again. But a great shame if they are merely a pawn in war games between the two world powers. That sort of thing happens in childrens' playgrounds.

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