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Choice News FRIDAY, MAR 21, 2014  |  21 comments  |  2 commentaries
Founder of Westboro Baptist Church, Rev. Fred Phelps Sr. dies

The Rev. Fred Phelps Sr., who founded a Kansas church widely known for its protests at military funerals and anti-gay sentiments, has died at the age of 84 according to his son Tim Phelps.

This news comes after some speculation about his health and whether or not he was in hospice care.

Daughter Margie Phelps says Fred Phelps died shortly after midnight Thursday. She didn’t give the cause of death or the condition that recently put him in hospice care.


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News Item3/24/14 2:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
UPS,

One may ask of this clan church how are they practicing,

Titus 3
2 to malign no one, to be uncontentious, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.
3 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.---NASB

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News Item3/24/14 12:50 PM
VanPastorMan | Indiana  Contact via emailFind all comments by VanPastorMan
Strat wrote:
Yes the man had an abundance of faults,but I find the contrast between the way people want to assume he is lost and want to assume others are saved,you can be a cross dressing child molester and people will say maybe you were saved in the end and rebuke anyone who says otherwise,but an obviously over zelous preacher with no respect for social and cultural norms....well he most certainly has to be in Hell.
I never mentioned the spiritual condition of Phelps our his church. What I referred to, was nasty behavior that is called,"doing the will of God". Here is an example. If I do a funeral for a lost man, I don't tell his family that he is writhing in Hell. I tell them to turn to Christ so they can be saved. In fact their loved one would want them to do this.
I'm not sure you can call protesting funeral services as a fault. It is evil,nasty and without any foundation in the Spirit of God.
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News Item3/24/14 11:14 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Strat, the Bible speaks of not doing things that cause the name of God and His doctrine to be blasphemed. It would be one thing if he were just preaching against homosexuality at the funerals of homosexuals, but he chose to disrupt the funerals of those who had given their last full measure of devotion to their country and to the protection of its citizens. Whether or not you agree that the wars are just, they still volunteered to go and defend their country and their families were grieving the loss of their loved one. I find it interesting that his family wants the golden rule practiced at his funeral (and it should be) but didn't practice it in their protests. U.S. military deaths are NOT God's judgment of homosexuality in America, God holds people responsible for their OWN actions. We have the pope speaking out against sin, but you don't support him because of it. Of course Tony posted a comment in favor of him, that should be a red flag to you in and of itself. I also find it interesting that he stated that God hates America but never chose to move away from it.
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News Item3/24/14 4:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat wrote:
Yes the man had an abundance of faults,but I find the contrast between the way people want to assume he is lost and want to assume others are saved,you can be a cross dressing child molester and people will say maybe you were saved in the end and rebuke anyone who says otherwise,but an obviously over zelous preacher with no respect for social and cultural norms....well he most certainly has to be in Hell.
Fred the dedicated 5pt calvinist in hell? Surely not!
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News Item3/24/14 4:04 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
VanPastorMan wrote:
My problem with Phelps and his church was the protesting during funerals. You just don't do that. You don't do it ever. People are grieving their dead. It's throwing salt in the wound which is despicable. Whenever I do a funeral and I know the person was unsaved, do you think I tell the family that their loved one is writing in Hell? No,but I tell them to repent and trust in Christ.
Yes the man had an abundance of faults,but I find the contrast between the way people want to assume he is lost and want to assume others are saved,you can be a cross dressing child molester and people will say maybe you were saved in the end and rebuke anyone who says otherwise,but an obviously over zelous preacher with no respect for social and cultural norms....well he most certainly has to be in Hell.
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News Item3/23/14 8:32 PM
VanPastorMan | Indiana  Contact via emailFind all comments by VanPastorMan
Strat wrote:
Mr Phelps did not appeal to the flesh and we know what an unforgivable sin that is,we see leaders everyday caught in all kinds of scandals involving money,sex and corruption who have secured unshakable support with their used car salesman personalities, but God forbid anyone be accused of not soothing the emotions and sensitivities of the masses,to coddle and cuddle them and stroke their egos and make thenm feel good about themselves.
Mr Phelps was an accomplished civil rights lawyer,so much so that he received recognition from the NAACP but who has mentioned it.
I make no claims of knowing where Mr Phelps is now but should he be in a less desirable place I doubt it will be because of reasons most would assume..pity he did not have the charm of a Joel Osteen or a Benny Hinn for he would have received a much better reception in this life.
My problem with Phelps and his church was the protesting during funerals. You just don't do that. You don't do it ever. People are grieving their dead. It's throwing salt in the wound which is despicable. Whenever I do a funeral and I know the person was unsaved, do you think I tell the family that their loved one is writing in Hell? No,but I tell them to repent and trust in Christ.
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News Item3/23/14 7:34 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Mr Phelps did not appeal to the flesh and we know what an unforgivable sin that is,we see leaders everyday caught in all kinds of scandals involving money,sex and corruption who have secured unshakable support with their used car salesman personalities, but God forbid anyone be accused of not soothing the emotions and sensitivities of the masses,to coddle and cuddle them and stroke their egos and make thenm feel good about themselves.

Mr Phelps was an accomplished civil rights lawyer,so much so that he received recognition from the NAACP but who has mentioned it.

I make no claims of knowing where Mr Phelps is now but should he be in a less desirable place I doubt it will be because of reasons most would assume..pity he did not have the charm of a Joel Osteen or a Benny Hinn for he would have received a much better reception in this life.

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News Item3/23/14 3:06 PM
truth is truth is truth  Find all comments by truth is truth is truth
Fred Phelps was not so much concerned about the feelings or opinions of his fellow human beings as he was about communicating to them the truth--which can be commendable.

Had he mingled any mercy, compassion or tender loving care in his messages or protests, then he would've been your basic average preacher, protester, activist, evangelist & etc.

No, Fred wasn't going to be just your average Joe-Protester.

I therefore salute Fred Phelps, because he was either "cold" or "hot": but he was definitely NOT "lukewarm" !

Those who rejoice, glory or gloat over the death of Mr. Phelps; rejoice, glory & gloat over the death of unpopular protest &-or the death of The First Amendment To The U.S. Constitution. And that, my dear friend, is the most ANTI-/-NON-/-UN-American position to ever take against The U.S.A. & HER CONSTITUTION !

And, what will your rejoicing, glorying or gloating be over the death of Mr. Ed Snowden ?

For he, as Mr. Phelps, took the 1st-Amendment of The U.S. Constitution to it's limits !

NOTE-When The Sodomites Of Chicago & The Forces Of Darkness Pushed Their Perversion At A North Side Methodist Church; Fred Phelps Joined The Chicago Righteous In Protesting SATAN & HIS SODOMITES: Which Included The Sodomite Grandson Of RIGHTEOUS EVANGELIST PAUL RADER !

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News Item3/22/14 6:34 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
...
Leviticus 19
9 'Now when you reap the harvest of your land,...

Since Americans apparently especially those who sanctify greed won't provide aid like a good Samaritan, then the government will do it.

That is not so called welfare, that is workfare. (read the book of Ruth)

Maybe you don't take time to notice but there are MANY examples of Americans helping those who are less fortunate or going through hard times. Those "evil" corporations pour millions into helping others. FDR wasn't president until the 1930's, how in the world did the people get help for the first 140 plus years of our existence? You don't think Christian principles governed the laws we made? The men may not have been born again but they certainly quoted Scripture and had a belief in God, even if it was not one they knew through a personal relationship. Plus people, like you, who go out and make a living, who hope for the best possible salary for your labors, don't call THAT desire to make a profit greed but have a double standard and call all desire for profit by a company, greed. If companies weren't out there making profits, jobs would pretty much dry up and then we would have liberal Utopia, all would be equal, equally poor and destitute.

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News Item3/22/14 6:04 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Mike wrote:
Governments aren't Christian because governments are institutions. But there quite certainly can be Christians in government.
As for "affordable healthcare" how is that working so far? Government greed is acceptable, we get it, Jim.
As a liberal he doesn't even know what "greed" is
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News Item3/22/14 3:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
---
Neither the government is or was Christian in America, being a representative democracy we elect leaders who supposedly will make it for society to function as smoothly as possible, such as affordable healthcare.
Since Americans apparently especially those who sanctify greed won't provide aid like a good Samaritan, then the government will do it.
Governments aren't Christian because governments are institutions. But there quite certainly can be Christians in government.

As for "affordable healthcare" how is that working so far? Government greed is acceptable, we get it, Jim.

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News Item3/22/14 2:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I think I've covered the idea of theonomy, Dominion Theology/Kingdom Now/Reconstructionism--Blessing or Curse?. You are not going to put into law except what the majority of people wants -- unless you have a dictatorship.

As far as social welfare goes,

Leviticus 19
9 'Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest.
10 'Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.---NASB

Now, that isn't practiced today by the agricultural community. So greed has crept into all parts of American society.

Neither the government is or was Christian in America, being a representative democracy we elect leaders who supposedly will make it for society to function as smoothly as possible, such as affordable healthcare.

Since Americans apparently especially those who sanctify greed won't provide aid like a good Samaritan, then the government will do it.

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News Item3/21/14 9:48 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Again with inadequacy routine,what does God think of people who wish to selectively enforce morality based on their political ideology ? specifically moralism that is deemed inadequate to control behavior but is adequate to take from one what they have earned and give to another what they have not earned and have no legal claim to ? biblical and not political support please.
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News Item3/21/14 2:09 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, JSC, you have it correct. God hates many sins, not just one. God Hates Sin, Hates Sinners.

Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you just as I have forewarned you that those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.---NASB

God also asked contempt for people who think they are the moral superiors to the unsaved, The Inadequacy of Moralism.

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News Item3/21/14 12:52 PM
JSC | Illinois  Find all comments by JSC
Jesus says "if you love Me you will keep My commands" this is speaking if a consequence, it is a comnand but the command is not to a dead, unloving heart to orient itself to do something it does not do. One that loves Jesus is all ready keeping the commands summed up "live the Lord your God with all.......and you nieghbor"
In light of this and the activities of this man; I can see why there is concern for this man's salvation
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News Item3/21/14 7:20 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Hey, SA didn't have anything about St. Paddy's day! Oh, this has to do with Fred's main sin interest. Catholic League Pres. Furious After St. Patrick’s Parade Controversy « CBS New York .
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News Item3/21/14 6:55 AM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Protected NameFind all comments by Scott McMahan
Interesting read about Phelps' early days:

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/atohate.htm

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News Item3/21/14 6:34 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, John, as has been pointed out to you before, no repentance--no salvation. “There will not be a funeral,” by the way.
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News Item3/21/14 5:33 AM
Silofolous | USA  Find all comments by Silofolous
John Yurich,
True. However, considering Jesus (and practically the entire book of 1 John) show, in different words, that loving others is the visible fruit of salvation, we can be fairly confident that he wasn't saved. This is tragic. I would absolutely LOVE to be wrong, but unfortunately I don't think I am.
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News Item3/21/14 5:29 AM
Joshi-chan  Find all comments by Joshi-chan
Goodnight, sweet prince. Angels sing thee to thy rest.
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