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Choice News TUESDAY, MAR 18, 2014  |  13 comments
Steve Green stands on faith against Obamacare mandate

Once Steve Green sets his path, there’s no turning back.

Not when he and his high school girlfriend, Jackie, totaled their cars playing chicken. “No one turned off,” he said, recalling how he aimed right at her and she just kept coming. A year later, she married him.

Not when he saw no point in college, going directly into his family’s Hobby Lobby craft store business. Green, now 50, rose up from assembling picture frames for “bubble gum money” at age 7 through every job, including cleaning toilets, to president of the $3.3 billion national chain, one of the nation’s largest private companies.

And certainly not now when, he says, the U.S. government is challenging his unshakeable Christian faith and his religious liberty. ...


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News Item3/20/14 6:58 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Why doesn't someone give biblical support for first coveting what belongs to your neighbor,then political alliances,loyalties and maneuvering in order to take it from him.

Lets realy go for broke and post biblical support for being the judge of what your neighbor does with his money and possessions instead of God being the judge....the "judge not" crowd should have fun with that one,LOL

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News Item3/20/14 10:40 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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By the way, UPS, it is part of the Declaration of Independence,..
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Jim, thanks for your response. I would say that even if your rather broad interpretation of the Declaration of Independence was accurate, I was referring to Constitution. We, as Christians, are not pragmatist, the ends does not justify the means. Social Security is not very secure in case you had not noticed, it is an unfunded liability that is said by the actuaries that run it to be on the path to bankruptcy. Also, what was proposed by FDR is not what has been hoisted on the American people. So, those who opposed it were and are correct, in fact it has proven that the same money invested in the private sector would bring a much larger rate of return.

Also, I have debunked your assertion that government run healthcare started with the republicans (even used a physicians for government healthcare site YOU referenced that traced it back to WAY before 1989 to the dems and progressives) you would think you would stop putting that misinformation out. However, that being said, it does not matter who thought of it, it is a bad idea and NO republican voted for Obamacare.

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News Item3/20/14 5:29 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Everything is theft when we have supposed Christians sanctify their greed. ,Strat.
As I pointed out before Republicans even thought, I mean the Republicans who have haven't sold out to ultra-right wing southern Catholics or those of the same mindset. Yes, Republicans made the same arguments against Social Security as they do about the ACA now, but considering it was a Republican idea for years and finally installed by a Republican governor, Romney in one state, Mass., and is working well there. It is a an excellent idea.
By the way, UPS, it is part of the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..."
Yes, survival of the fittest, is Darwinian, Penny, and when good healthcare is not available to all for a reasonable amount then we are being deprived of our rights.
The concept of theft doesn't exist to the theif at heart who considers everything to be theirs for the taking anyway.
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News Item3/19/14 4:44 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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By the way, UPS, it is part of the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..."
Yes, survival of the fittest, is Darwinian, Penny, and when good healthcare is not available to all for a reasonable amount then we are being deprived of our rights.
More revisionism. And you don't even get it when you copied "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." So sad.
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News Item3/19/14 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Everything is theft when we have supposed Christians sanctify their greed. ,Strat.

As I pointed out before Republicans even thought, I mean the Republicans who have haven't sold out to ultra-right wing southern Catholics or those of the same mindset. Yes, Republicans made the same arguments against Social Security as they do about the ACA now, but considering it was a Republican idea for years and finally installed by a Republican governor, Romney in one state, Mass., and is working well there. It is a an excellent idea.

By the way, UPS, it is part of the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..."

Yes, survival of the fittest, is Darwinian, Penny, and when good healthcare is not available to all for a reasonable amount then we are being deprived of our rights.

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News Item3/18/14 11:41 PM
penned | tortilla factory  Find all comments by penned
Darwin is never going to make people healthy. Why? because Darwin bases his views on a false reality, that is that accidental chemical reactions are the way life came about, and so doctors are trained to believe everything is just random chemical reactions. Doesn't matter if every person on the planet is put on the same industrial centralized concept, it won't matter if every dog and cat, spare animal and houseplant is taxed, the idea from the beginning is flawed. You could end all wars, and put all resources to this, it still wouldn't bring health! It's an enigma wrapped in a tortilla of fairytales.
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News Item3/18/14 9:54 PM
Chris Frost | Indiana  Find all comments by Chris Frost
I agree with Unprofitable Servant. Some folks may feel they are being denied their right to healthcare, but the constitution nowhere mentions it as a right. Pre-Obama healthcare may have had its flaws, but Obamacare in its current manifestation appears to have turned a mess into a nightmare.
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News Item3/18/14 9:09 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
America is not a Christian nation,i'm surprised that anyone would expect America with its 50+ million slaughtered unborn and largest export which is porn and perversion to be accountable to biblical anything.

Obamacare is simple theft from one person to another...defend theft anyway you want but please don't use the bible in regard to a nation like America.

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News Item3/18/14 4:21 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
When you start with a wrong premise you come to wrong conclusions. The fact is there is no CONSTITUTIONAL mandate or authorization for the government to be involved in healthcare. They are already telling people they have to see a nurse practitioner instead of a doctor and setting up a panel to determine who gets what medicines and treatments.(looks like Sarah Palin called it correctly) Cost overruns are already hitting and the president is violating separation of powers regarding the law. It would not matter if the apostle Paul was alive and on earth saying it was a good idea, it is NOT the responsibility of the government to provide healthcare. Plus the very people it supposed to address, the uninsured, THEY'RE NOT SIGNING UP. IT DOESN'T WORK ANYWHERE IT IS TRIED. But you enjoy the long wait times, not seeing the doctor of your choice or any doctor, and the mediocre healthcare because it is coming to you thanks to the democrats.
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News Item3/18/14 3:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike, There is a whole lot of things there isn't a mandate for in the Bible. There is no mandate for large industrial companies and their structures in the Bible, but few of us have problems with it. This is not the first century BC!
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BC? ok, how about a biblical principle for state healthcare? Just one. Or did biblical principles go away after the 1st century in the independent world of Jim?
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News Item3/18/14 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike, There is a whole lot of things there isn't a mandate for in the Bible. There is no mandate for large industrial companies and their structures in the Bible, but few of us have problems with it. This is not the first century BC! I would say that medical care then wasn't all that great anyway. While the Lutherans, for example, use "The Good Samaritan" from the Bible they do not seem to be ready to extend healthcare to everyone. Only the Lutherans that have their insurance for example. They are also a group that is hostile to Obamacare. I was thanks for financial reasons as much as any other, to continue their grip on their membership.

Anyway, Guidelines for Using Our Liberties. You shouldn't take from this sermon that my pastor supports Obamacare by the way! There should really be no objection to Obamacare since many of the provision for caring for sex problems have been removed.

I should have put up a little more detailed comment on this proposed Nebraska law,Faith groups endorse Wellness in Nebraska Act, though this gets as detailed as it's going to get.

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News Item3/18/14 2:08 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
it is great that he has the money 2 have complete healthcare insurance. Other people don't. At least in Nebraska, some religious groups have no problems with it. Faith Groups Endorse Wellness In Nebraska Act.
By "complete healthcare insurance" you mean similar coverage for things not needed as required by Obamacare? Perhaps those religious groups know what the biblical mandate for state healthcare is?
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News Item3/18/14 1:19 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
it is great that he has the money 2 have complete healthcare insurance. Other people don't. At least in Nebraska, some religious groups have no problems with it. Faith Groups Endorse Wellness In Nebraska Act.
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