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Choice News FRIDAY, MAR 14, 2014  |  119 comments
KJV Still Most Popular, Faster Growing Bible Translation

When Americans reach for their Bibles, more than half of them pick up a King James Version (KJV), according to a new study advised by respected historian Mark Noll.

The 55 percent who read the KJV easily outnumber the 19 percent who read the New International Version (NIV). And the percentages drop into the single digits for competitors such as the New Revised Standard Version, New America Bible, and the Living Bible.

So concludes "The Bible in American Life," a lengthy report by the Center for the Study of Religion and American Culture at Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI). Funded by the Lilly Foundation, researchers asked questions on what David Briggs of the ARDA, which first reported the results, calls "two of the most highly respected data sources for American religion"—the General Social Survey and the National Congregations Study. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item4/5/14 5:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
For another thread, I thought I would look up New King James Version (NKJV Bible), specifically The MacArthur Study Bible, NKJV: Revised & Updated Edition Hardcover – October 29, 2013, for half-price! (Unfortunately, that doesn't cover shipping ) You should look around other places if you can get it for $25.00. The rather slanted article didn't seem to differentiate between sells of the KJV and NKJV, but anyway, from a Bible scholar Dan Wallace, you can at least use the NKJV to translate the KJV However, when paying attention to the marginal notes of the NKJV, you'll really have an excellent Bible, and John MacArthur & Co., can help you with many of your translation questions.
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News Item3/18/14 7:49 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Curious wrote:
KJV : "...above all thy name."
NASB: "..according to all Your name."
Which is correct? Does it matter?
Sorry I don't know Hebrew
For me in taking both as translations I see there is a depth of meaning in the Hebrew word translated that a single English word might not easily communicate
And Yes, it matters greatly as God Himself associates His Word and His keeping it as intimately related to His very name.

So let's fight and argue about which translation is (quote) the right/perfect one or humbly bow in thankful worship of how we can trust our lives to what God says to us.

I hope you are understanding that I am meaning DOCTRINE, the TRUTH the things God Himself wants us to know, understand, believe and live by and out in our lives by His grace.

This is hard to put into words, as Doctrine and Truth, really hearing what God says to us, although intimately interrelated to specific Bible verses and words, memorizing them and knowing them, is more(?) better(?) alive(?) than quoting them verbatim but from them, from the ministry of the Holy Spirit to have revelation of God...FAITH

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News Item3/18/14 7:16 AM
Curious  Find all comments by Curious
Michael Hranek wrote:
"I will bow down toward Your holy temple And give thanks to Your name for Your lovingkindness and Your truth; For You have magnified Your word according to all Your name."
Psalm 138:2 nasb
KJV : "...above all thy name."
NASB: "..according to all Your name."

Which is correct? Does it matter?

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News Item3/18/14 6:35 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Michael Hranek wrote:
Observer

A friend told me her favorite Psalms were 138 & 139 and when I read verse 2 in 138 I'm OOS to tell of His wonderful conviction

Continued...

So getting back to your question what do I do with this verse, to me a better question is, what does God do with it?

Does He want us to strain out gnats and swallow whole camels, as in nit picking Bible translations to death? No, I don't think He wants us to do that.

Does He want us to have an anything goes perversion of Christianity? No, I don' think He wants us to have that either.

So what is His will?
Could it be far more along the lines of He wants us to listen, really listen to what He says in the context of all of Scripture like our lives and the lives of everyone we love and care about depends upon really hearing Him, knowing what He says, believing what He says and doing what He tells us?

In the context of the whole of First Timothy

1 Tim
15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all.
16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

IMHO in seeking God He will lead us in what is right regarding translations

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News Item3/18/14 5:06 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Observer wrote:
Bro, a great deal of what you say is right. I would never wish to contend about Bible versions to create a stumbling block to anyone. BUT, as Christians we should care about the issues involved and as opportunity affords we should discuss, help and guide as with any other issue.
Michael bro, what do you make of?:
Psalm 138:2
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Observer

"I will bow down toward Your holy temple And give thanks to Your name for Your lovingkindness and Your truth; For You have magnified Your word according to all Your name."
Psalm 138:2 nasb

Was the first verse God used in my life as a 28 year old when He got me to read the Bible for myself. I had visited a Sunday School Class in a Baptist Church where everyone had Bibles with a soundly saved Bible teacher.

So on the Saturday after Easter here I was a sinner who walked into the local Christian Bookstore and walked out with a NASB red letter addition with my own name of the cover wondering what I had done.

A friend told me her favorite Psalms were 138 & 139 and when I read verse 2 in 138 I'm OOS to tell of His wonderful conviction

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News Item3/17/14 8:54 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Michael Hranek wrote:
.. Jesus didn't die for 'the right' Bible translation He died for us who had so sinned against Him...
Bro, a great deal of what you say is right. I would never wish to contend about Bible versions to create a stumbling block to anyone. BUT, as Christians we should care about the issues involved and as opportunity affords we should discuss, help and guide as with any other issue.

Michael bro, what do you make of?:

Psalm 138:2
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Shane, I'm gonna be away for the next few days, so will establish contact now, but it'll be a few days before I can respond to ya.

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News Item3/17/14 8:50 PM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Observer... I appreciate your answer. I would like to go into more detail with you if you are willing. My email is available. If not, no worries. I will try and give a respond maybe tomorrow.

Off to work now.

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News Item3/17/14 8:47 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Observer
Shane
John UK
Also our precious Sisters in Christ and
Anybody Else reading these posts
Even our (quote) friends the trolls

We have a lot of learning and growing to do. It might do us a lot of good to remember how long suffering (KJV word) God in His Lovingkindness (NASB word) has been to all of us and realize once again Jesus didn't die for 'the right' Bible translation He died for us who had so sinned against Him, who were so sinful both by nature and by choice that the only way He could save us from our sins was for the Son God loves more than all of Creation and every living being in it put together to take the fullness of the wrath due us on the cross, die and rise again the third day.

I don't know about you all but when I meet a brother or sister and I find in them humble thankful love for Jesus Christ who died for them and love for those born again of the Spirit of God, and a desire to see the lost saved expressed in a labor of love to be used by God for that, I am not offended if they use the KJV, or even the NIV which to be polite I really don't care for. And if messing with them about what translation they use distracts them from serving Christ, God help me to grow in my faith, keep my big mouth shut, except to pray for them for fruitful ministry

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News Item3/17/14 8:21 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Shane wrote:
Observer... I give a thoughtful, sincere answer and you give me that?
Where's the love bro?
Ok... 1 Peter 1:23... was that speaking of the pages of the kjv? Did Christ write down his words on paper and hand them to his apostles? Or was it his actual words? What does this have to do with your mysticism claim?
To be honest, you didn't answer my questions. You just threw out scriptures in a pontiff like way with a on the end.
????
That, Shane, was a digression away from the Bible versions issue to deal with your contention that the word or truth of God is not involved in one's salvation.

The fact is that every Christian blessing is mediated through the word of God, including the new birth. Hence the reason why we say it's a means of grace.

However if the truth is important in conversion, sanctification etc. dare we ignore the onslaught in the issue of underlying texts? It concerns the purity of that God given revelation, and should therefore matter to every child of God and to the Church of God, which is supposed to be the pillar and ground of truth.

I apologize if my answer appeared uncaring.

BTW, I have never seen any Pontiff throw out Scriptures to prove any point. But maybe you know better.

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News Item3/17/14 7:55 PM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Observer... I give a thoughtful, sincere answer and you give me that?
Where's the love bro?
Ok... 1 Peter 1:23... was that speaking of the pages of the kjv? Did Christ write down his words on paper and hand them to his apostles? Or was it his actual words? What does this have to do with your mysticism claim?

To be honest, you didn't answer my questions. You just threw out scriptures in a pontiff like way with a on the end.

????

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News Item3/17/14 7:32 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
Hey bro,
Good addition, Thank you!
By "next", I meant next argument from Shane in support of his view.

I've gotta head off soon. May not be on here for a few days.
Catch ya soon!
Blessings to you brethren and to the Israel of God!
God bless the Observer!

I'm out working all day tomorrow from 6.00am but be back tomorrow night hopefully not too tired to make a comment or three.

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News Item3/17/14 7:26 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
The next one is....
2 Timothy 3:15 KJV
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Hey bro,

Good addition, Thank you!

By "next", I meant next argument from Shane in support of his view.

I've gotta head off soon. May not be on here for a few days.

Catch ya soon!

Blessings to you brethren and to the Israel of God!

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News Item3/17/14 7:19 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
Next!
The next one is....

2 Timothy 3:15 KJV
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

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News Item3/17/14 7:04 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Shane wrote:
Observer...What I mean is this, the people of Israel had the scriptures. Yet the majority rejected Christ. So... it's not the scriptures that give
salvation, it's Christ.
Oh dear, I was hoping that my questions would cause you to pause and think. Now you've done it!

1 Corinthians 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

James 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth..

1 Peter 1:23
being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Next!

PS. The verse you quoted, you've not understood correctly!

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News Item3/17/14 6:50 PM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Observer... I understand that there our those who use a form of mysticism that call themselves christian. I've looked into mysticism. I don't think we need to go down that road on this conversation.
What I mean is this, the people of Israel had the scriptures. Yet the majority rejected Christ. So... it's not the scriptures that give salvation, it's Christ. Christ said so himself " you search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life. But they testify about me". So... If a saved brother is proclaiming the truth, and a heretic is proclaiming the truth, which ones heart is right? It's a matter of the heart!
I mean this with love and sincerity... let's not be so quick to throw out that word.
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News Item3/17/14 6:47 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Despite some minor blemishes? Do those blemishes add up to the 5% you are talking about?
I fully agree with your preference comment.
Tongue-in-cheek comment, eh Pilgrim? Okay, what I refer to is the enforced usage by the Authoriser of words like "bishop" and "easter" etc. in keeping with ecclesiastical protocol of the Church of England. Blemishes really, but a great shame nonetheless. No, the 5% refers to over 60,000 omissions and translational differences. No-one can say the KJV (Received Text) and the MV's (UBS/NU Text) are fine in the same breath. It just ain't kosher, bro.

Mike wrote:
Oh dear. If the KJV is the truth, instead of contains the truth, then the KJV is Jesus. Is that why one poster talks to it? We learn fascinating new stuff every day, bro John!
Bro Mike,

John 17:17 KJV
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

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News Item3/17/14 6:29 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
---
Frank, the main difference is that the NASB contains the truth, as you rightly said, whereas the KJV IS the truth, despite some minor blemishes which we all know about.
The modern versions agree with the KJV in about 95% of scripture. It is the 5% which all the debate is about. After all, if you have a verse mising, either the NASB is correct in taking it out, or the KJV is correct in having it in. It does NOT come down to preference, but what is the truth?
Oh dear. If the KJV is the truth, instead of contains the truth, then the KJV is Jesus. Is that why one poster talks to it? We learn fascinating new stuff every day, bro John!
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News Item3/17/14 6:15 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
There's a website run by two elderly folks who have gathered all material written by George Fox. It's a big site, and I spent an hour or so rummaging around, and found some dreadful teaching, really bad. I could hardly believe some of the things he held to.
__________
Frank, the main difference is that the NASB contains the truth, as you rightly said, whereas the KJV IS the truth, despite some minor blemishes which we all know about.
The modern versions agree with the KJV in about 95% of scripture. It is the 5% which all the debate is about. After all, if you have a verse mising, either the NASB is correct in taking it out, or the KJV is correct in having it in. It does NOT come down to preference, but what is the truth?
Despite some minor blemishes? Do those blemishes add up to the 5% you are talking about?

I fully agree with your preference comment.

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News Item3/17/14 6:08 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Shane wrote:
Observer... my suggestion is dangerous?are you going to pull out the mysticism card?
If dropping a glow stick in a bowl of oatmeal is not dangerous for the digestive system, you knock yourself out bro.

As they say, each man to his bowl of oats.

But seriously, think further about the mysticism aspect. How is what you're suggesting far from it? Unless I'm not understanding correctly what you're saying.

BTW, I do believe that God can use even a corrupted version of the Bible to convert someone.

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