Home births have risen to their highest level in about four decades but are still only a fraction of all births, according to a new government report released Tuesday.
A little more than 1 percent of U.S. births occur at home, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported. Experts say they remain largely a phenomenon of white women and those who live in remote areas.
In the 20th century, births shifted from homes to hospitals. Out-of-hospital deliveries were down to 1 percent by 1969....
Christopher000 wrote: Add a loooong pause between "between the lines", and "All too often". I wasn't joining the two comments to mean the 2nd half is what I gathered from you. Seperate thoughts, my own thoughts.
I understand,but perhaps you can tell me how the approval of the abuse of women by men is arrived at based on what has been said here.
The liberal narrative always has a villain and a victim,the feminist narrative says that the victims are women and the villians are men,always, and even though no one,myself included has remotely suggested that women should be abused in any way it still comes up again and again because that is the feminist influence and mindset,any challenge to the roles of victim and villan and responsability per feminism cannot go unchallenged....one must,no pun intended"submit" or else.
Christopher000 wrote: Thanks Dorcas and Elise. I understand where Strat is coming from, to a degree while reading between the lines. All to often I have seen Christian husbands ruling their "women" with an iron fist, using a verse of scripture to keep them in line on pain of disobediance to God. I have heard of these militants, in extreme cases, spanking, slapping, and switching their wives should they become disobediant or show resistance. These are extreme contortions of God's Word, but emotional abuse is no less destructive and is not part of God's marraige plans. I feel that as a women loves her husband, so should the man love his wife. The man is the head of the house, and the familys spiritual head. I believe submission means recognizing these facts, acknowledging the mans appointed position, and giving the man charge, but love remains a partnership, nit a yes sir, no sir marine style existance where the woman is treated with contempt, deemed worthless and void of any significance.
Kind of straw man argument since I can't find a single post that advocates such,along with feminism liberalism has entered the church,the liberal narrative is always unbalanced,about the past,the present worst case scenario and last but not least,revenge !
T2W wrote: A Puritan non conformist ..lived in the 17th century.
Couldn't follow myself last evening and that is why I didn't respond T2W and Ladybug. Appreciated the link and info. I ended my night reading: Job 35:5 Look unto the heavens, and see; and behold the clouds which are higher than thou.
6 If thou sinnest, what doest thou against him? or if thy transgressions be multiplied, what doest thou unto him?
7 If thou be righteous, what givest thou him? or what receiveth he of thine hand?
8 Thy wickedness may hurt a man as thou art; and thy righteousness may profit the son of man.
9 By reason of the multitude of oppressions they make the oppressed to cry: they cry out by reason of the arm of the mighty.
10 But none saith, Where is God my maker, who giveth songs in the night;
11 Who teacheth us more than the beasts of the earth, and maketh us wiser than the fowls of heaven?
12 There they cry, but none giveth answer, because of the pride of evil men.
13 Surely God will not hear vanity, neither will the Almighty regard it.
14 Although thou sayest thou shalt not see him, yet judgment is before him; therefore trust thou in him.
I've gotten good counsel from Elihu to Job over the years.
Thanks Dorcas and Elise. I understand where Strat is coming from, to a degree while reading between the lines. All to often I have seen Christian husbands ruling their "women" with an iron fist, using a verse of scripture to keep them in line on pain of disobediance to God. I have heard of these militants, in extreme cases, spanking, slapping, and switching their wives should they become disobediant or show resistance. These are extreme contortions of God's Word, but emotional abuse is no less destructive and is not part of God's marraige plans. I feel that as a women loves her husband, so should the man love his wife. The man is the head of the house, and the familys spiritual head. I believe submission means recognizing these facts, acknowledging the mans appointed position, and giving the man charge, but love remains a partnership, nit a yes sir, no sir marine style existance where the woman is treated with contempt, deemed worthless and void of any significance.
" As the church's subjection to Christ is proposed as an examplar to wives, so the love of Christ to his church is proposed as a pattern to husbands; and while such exemplars are offered to both, and so much are required of each, neither has reason to complain of the divine injunctions. The love which God requires from the husband in behalf of his wife will make amends of the subjection which he demands from her to her husband; and the prescribed subjection of the wife will be an abundant return for that love of the husband which God has made her due."
- From Matthew Henrys Commentary on Ephesians 5:21-33
Strat wrote: Unprofitable,i have never said any of those things and have no idea how to respond to you,if you can quote me saying those things please do.....any of you quote me if you can saying anything you say I have said. Ladybug,thank you,coming from you that means a lot.I am cruel because I disagree with you,divisive because I have the right like you do to speak my point of view and unlike you with your gender specific theology apply the bible to both sides,and show no love for anyone because your definition of love is twisted to conform to your pseudo christian misandrist views....have a good evening and thanks for the compliments.
Thanks for your clarification, Strat. There is a reason I left an open ended question at the end of my post. I was not trying to say you had said anything about which I questioned you. I was trying to clarify your position because reading the way the thread was going that was how it appeared you were being perceived and I did not figure it was where you stood. Appreciate your stances against liberalism and feminism. God bless.
Strat wrote: Has anyone read the Bible where it calls both men and women equally to holiness,rightousness and mutual submission within their God given roles without excuses and worldly influence.
Yes, but the Lord has provided teachers and pastors and since I've been without one of my own since 2002 outside of a book the Lord has kindly directed me in the old paths. Strat, God is teaching patience to his people and that never comes easy. Since you spoke first I thought I'd risk it. You'd like Gouge I think. It really troubled me because of my past (and present) ignorance but it also encouraged me to press on (agonize) toward the mark.
Has anyone read William Gouge's 'Domestical Duties'? It is 17th century reading, not easy but it is solidly grounded in the Word of God and it does show how back-slidden the Church is, how much the world's view points have affected the Church.
Several heads: 1. Apostles transition from general duties to particular 2. of joining service to men with praising of God. 3. of everyone submitting himself to another 4. of the fear of God 5. of the fear of God leading us to do service to men 5. of limiting all duties to men within the compass of the fear of God 7. of performing the duties of particular callings 8. of the lawfulness of private functions in a family 9. of the Apostles order of laying down the duties of husbands and wives in the first place 10. of the Apostle's order in setting down inferiors duties in the first place. 11. of the reasons why wives duties are first taught 12. of wives subjection 13. of the persons to whom wives must be subject 14. how a husband is his wives head 15. of the resemblance of the husband to Christ 16. of the resemblance of the Church to Christ (balance) 17. of the relation between Christ and the Church 18. of the benefits of Christ's headship 19. of Christ a sufficient Savior 20. of Christ the only Savior. Lots more