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Choice News THURSDAY, FEB 20, 2014  |  12 comments  |  1 commentary
Texas Presbyterian Megachurch Considering Split From Presbyterian Church (USA)

First Presbyterian Church of Houston, founded in the 1840s with an estimated 3,000 members, will vote on a measure to terminate its affiliation with the denomination next Sunday.

Jim Birchfield, senior pastor at First Presbyterian, told The Christian Post that if the congregation votes to disaffiliate, it intends to join the new, more conservative Evangelical Covenant Order of Presbyterians.

"We believe that affiliation with ECO will better allow us to fulfill our mission of 'carrying the gospel to Houston and the world'," said Birchfield. "ECO believes in living out the whole of the Great Commission -- including evangelism, spiritual formation, compassion and redemptive justice. Thus, the mission of ECO clearly supports FPC's mission to carry the gospel to Houston and the world and aligns well with our goal of becoming a more Gospel-centered, missional church as defined in Vision 2020." ...


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News Item8/22/14 6:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
PN, one problem with this new denomination is that they allow women preachers. since retirement funds are usually based at least in part on the value of the property that a church denomination owns, there is a good chance they would have to pay something.

Penny, one of the better opinion pieces on Zionism was published in The Wall Street Journal it is well worth reading. In Defense of Zionism. The Wall Street Journal made this excellent opinion piece public. I'm glad that they did it. Because one of Israelis own wrote it. How long it will be public is anyone's guess.

I am rather surprised that I put up this one before with a slightly different title. I am even more surprised that that one is visible without any . But, it is still a good article and well worth mentioning. Besides I was able to get PN's questions somewhat answered.

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News Item8/2/14 5:22 PM
Post Nasaldrip | Anywhere, USA  Find all comments by Post Nasaldrip
I wonder if they will have to pay anything to the national denomination to make the split official. I remember a similar story from California that emphasized the cost of leaving. Property matters in these church disputes.
They say they could not evangelize the world being in that denomination; I don't know why it would stop them. I think there are other issues, like women in leadership positions, gay marriages, etc.
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News Item8/2/14 4:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Penny, there are some things that tablets are not the best at doing, like getting information, sometimes quickly and being able to organize all that on a big screen and using a full-size keyboard. By the time you hook those up -- to some tablets, and a lot of them you just can't do that-- you have a laptop or desktop kludged together clone anyway.

However this really isn't a lot of information but it gives also what happened to the Jews and Christians in Arabia, before the 20th century. So go through the ISBE article on Arabia. If you like history it is really fascinating reading.

Arabians (and Arabs) gives details about Arabia, and also about Arabs, and the various religious folk that populated Arabia, etc. I find it a little too friendly to them, but then you might like what is said then? Anyway, I would suggest that you also read, Who are the Palestinians?, which gives a more detailed picture of the West Bank and Gaza.

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News Item8/2/14 1:05 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Penny, you really ought to read... In Defense of Zionism.
Penny, not only read this again, but the following also.

The Jews took no one's land an article I have yet to get you to read yet, Penny. From which I will quote:

'As the Jews came, drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, something interesting began to happen. Arabs followed. I don't blame them. They had good reason to come. They came for jobs. They came for prosperity. They came for freedom. And they came in large numbers.

'Winston Churchill observed in 1939: "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Then came 1948 and the great partition....'

' ...Those poor unfortunates could be settled in a week by the rich Arab oil states that control 99.9 percent of the Middle East landmass, but they are kept as virtual prisoners, filled with misplaced hatred for Jews and armed as suicide martyrs by the Arab power brokers.'

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News Item8/2/14 10:25 AM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Jim, why can you not answer a simple question?

I will answer the question.

Yes, Palestinians are semites.

I'll tell you, you demand to take all the Palestinian land, that is a declaration of wore. Plain and simple. Then you want the Hamas terrorists, who were very likely in the beginning created by Israel as a counter to the Palestinian Authority, to stand down? Is this a Polyanna world where every fruit tree in the world is there just for you?

Israel is trapped by leaders who are trapped by their own ideologies. If they meet with Palestinians who want a peaceful society, those Palestinians will not want annihilation. They will want to live and have a government. Then Israel would have to stop taking their homes!!

And if they absorbed the Gazans into Israel to make a nation, then they would have a sizeable Islamic vote to contend with.

What a quagmire. makes you wonder who started this foolishness from the beginning??

They are stuck, because they begin first with this... we must have land. There is no give in that... so proceed Mr. Lincoln. The rapture theory is on trial. And when tribulation comes will the rapturists turn against the brethren in anger that they didn't get their rapture?

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News Item8/2/14 1:44 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Penny, you really ought to read this article by a former Israeli ambassador to the United States. I think it will really give you a good view about what Zionism is to the secular to Jew at the very least. The Saturday Essay
In Defense of Zionism
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News Item5/8/14 3:47 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Jim, aren't Palestinians semites? how then could recognizing their human value be antisemitical.... its beyond me. sounds more like politics with racism used as a tool, that's called race baiting.
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News Item5/8/14 6:29 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
We have an idea where some in the PCUSA stand on Israel, q.v., The Malevolence of the ‚ÄėZionism Unsettled‚Äô Authors,
I wonder where ECO stands?
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News Item2/25/14 2:43 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It appears that the ECO plans to have women preachers? and what one Presbyterian said about that! Women Preachers. I don't know, yet, where they stand on Israel, but might wonder their gender neutral policy if they will have a positive outlook on Israel? Mosaic Magazine ¬Ľ Evangelicals and Israel.
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News Item2/21/14 9:18 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item2/20/14 8:35 PM
joe lee | usa  Find all comments by joe lee
In 10 years ECO will be where PCUSA is now. Hardly a dramatic move to a Biblical foundation.
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News Item2/20/14 2:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
We can only hope this new organization is less anti-Semitic than the PCUSA is Presbyterians push back against church group’s anti-Zionist study guide
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