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SUNDAY, FEB 16, 2014  |  44 comments
Talking to babies boosts their brain power, studies show
Reading bedtime stories to babies and talking to them from birth boosts their brain power and sets them up for success at school, researchers say.

Studies on babies and toddlers found that striking differences emerged in their vocabularies and language processing skills as early as 18 months old.

Children whose parents spoke to them least came out worst in language tests, and at 24 months old some lagged behind their contemporaries by up to six months. The handicap often stayed with the children and influenced how well they did at school over the next six years. ...


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Inst. of Christian Religion  Find all comments by Inst. of Christian Religion
Babies in Covenant of Grace.

"Scripture gives us a still clearer knowledge of the truth. For it is most evident that the covenant, which the Lord once made with Abraham (cf. Gen. 17:14), is not less applicable to Christians now than it was anciently to the Jewish people, and, therefore, that word has no less reference to Christians than to Jews. Unless, indeed, we imagine that Christ, by his advent, diminished or curtailed the grace of the Father - an idea not free from execrable blasphemy.

Wherefore, both the children of the Jews, because, when made heirs of that covenant, they were separated from the heathen, were called a holy seed (Ezra 9:2; Isaiah 6:13), and for the same reason the children of Christians, or those who have only one believing parent, are called holy, and, by the testimony of the apostle, differ from the impure seed of idolaters (I Cor. 7:14).

Then, since the Lord, immediately after the covenant was made with Abraham ordered it to be sealed, infants by an outward sacrament (Gen. 17:12), how can it be said that Christians are not to attest it in the present day, and seal it in their children?" (J.Calvin)
(Inst.Bk4. Ch.16)

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News Item2/23/14 7:13 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Ahem wrote:
You clearly missed the point so permit me to explain. Calvin, like Luther believed in the Bondage of the Will.
So when dealing with verse 8, yes he says that faith is not the gift being referred to in that verse.
But when he comes to verse 10 and to the words "For we are his workmanship.." he deals with the issue of free will, which is why I pointed you to it. In his explanation he makes it absolutely clear "He does not say that the power of choosing aright is bestowed upon us, and that we are afterwards left to make our own choice. Such is the idle talk in which those persons who do their utmost to undervalue the grace of God are accustomed to indulge. But the apostle affirms that we are God’s work, and that everything good in us is his creation"
IOW, in Calvin's view even though v8 does not refer to faith as a gift, v10 indicates that since we have no free will, even the power of choosing, the will to come is given by God, "For we are his workmanship..".
Not exactly supportive of your view.
Appreciate the explanation, but the only view I put forth on this thread was that salvation is the gift in Eph. 2:8, in disagreement with B.Rith. Apparently we agree with Calvin on this point, so I don't see another for me to miss.
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News Item2/23/14 6:41 PM
Ahem  Find all comments by Ahem
Mike wrote:
There is nothing in his comment on v10 that contradicts what he said about v9 in reference to the gift to which v8 speaks....
You clearly missed the point so permit me to explain. Calvin, like Luther believed in the Bondage of the Will.

So when dealing with verse 8, yes he says that faith is not the gift being referred to in that verse.

But when he comes to verse 10 and to the words "For we are his workmanship.." he deals with the issue of free will, which is why I pointed you to it. In his explanation he makes it absolutely clear "He does not say that the power of choosing aright is bestowed upon us, and that we are afterwards left to make our own choice. Such is the idle talk in which those persons who do their utmost to undervalue the grace of God are accustomed to indulge. But the apostle affirms that we are God’s work, and that everything good in us is his creation"

IOW, in Calvin's view even though v8 does not refer to faith as a gift, v10 indicates that since we have no free will, even the power of choosing, the will to come is given by God, "For we are his workmanship..".

Not exactly supportive of your view.

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News Item2/23/14 5:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
pedagogue wrote:
John. Hyper Wesleyans cannot read Calvinism.
ps: Neither can Arminians close cousins of the Wesleyists.
What does that have to do with Mr Calvin saying that the gift was salvation? Why don't you listen to Mr Calvin? Have you formed your own Calvinism which ignores what Mr Calvin says? Why is Mr Calvin demoted to a second rate theologian? Is Mr Calvin so distrustworthy that you take his name but not his doctrine? How do you define Calvinism? Does it have anything to do with Mr Calvin? Why don't you just forget Mr Calvin and focus all your thoughts on the Lord Jesus Christ? Why? Because you are following men not the Lord. You follow the writings of men not the Lord's words. You have a pope and you're sticking to him, even though he disagrees with your interpretation of Ephesians 2:8-9. Odd.
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News Item2/23/14 2:31 PM
pedagogue  Find all comments by pedagogue
John UK wrote:
The plain truth Mike is that Calvinists are not Calvinists.
John. Hyper Wesleyans cannot read Calvinism.

ps: Neither can Arminians close cousins of the Wesleyists.

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Mike NY wrote:
It might be proper to deal with what Calvin said about Eph 2:9
Mike. I've taught you the correct explanation of Eph 2:8,9. Before. Now pay attention Here it is again.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
= Now note the three things
1. grace = God only can do.
2. Salvation = God only can do.
3.(a) Faith = Biblical Calvinist knows God only can do.
3.(b) But the Roman Catholic Free willing Arminians think that man can do! Therefore it becomes self service salvation by human "works."

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast
= Therefore this verse is directed at the RCC Arminians viz "works"

This therefore explains that the "Gift of God" - "Must" be "faith."

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News Item2/23/14 11:55 AM
B.Rith  Find all comments by B.Rith
"The Inclusion of the Children of Believers in the Covenant

"The children of believers are included in the covenant as children, that is, already at conception and birth. They receive forgiveness of sins through the blood of Jesus, the Holy Spirit of sanctification, and church membership—as children. They are called to love, fear, and obey God—as children. For they have God as their God, and are His people—as children. Therefore, they have full right to baptism. Parents must present them for baptism. And the church that would maintain the pure administration of the sacraments as instituted by Christ must see to it." (Prof David J Engelsma)

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News Item2/23/14 11:50 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
There is nothing in his comment on v10 that contradicts what he said about v9 in reference to the gift to which v8 speaks. Remember this came up because "B.Rith" said "What you have advocated above is that faith is a human faculty --- And NOT as the Bible teaches "The Gift of God"
Bible teaches "faith" is the GIFT OF GOD .....
Eph 2:8..."
The question isn't about faculty, but what is the gift spoken of in v8? To which I posted what Calvin affirmed in his comment on V9, i.e. salvation is the gift, in contradiction to B.Rith's view. So do you agree with Calvin that salvation is the gift, or with B.Rith that faith is the gift?
The plain truth Mike is that Calvinists are not Calvinists.
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News Item2/23/14 11:17 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Ahem wrote:
As you wish. Let's refer to his comments on v10:....
---
There is nothing in his comment on v10 that contradicts what he said about v9 in reference to the gift to which v8 speaks. Remember this came up because "B.Rith" said "What you have advocated above is that faith is a human faculty --- And NOT as the Bible teaches "The Gift of God"
Bible teaches "faith" is the GIFT OF GOD .....
Eph 2:8..."

The question isn't about faculty, but what is the gift spoken of in v8? To which I posted what Calvin affirmed in his comment on V9, i.e. salvation is the gift, in contradiction to B.Rith's view. So do you agree with Calvin that salvation is the gift, or with B.Rith that faith is the gift?

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News Item2/22/14 7:36 PM
Ahem  Find all comments by Ahem
Mike wrote:
It might be proper to deal with what Calvin said about Eph 2:9 before running off to another verse, don't you think?
As you wish. Let's refer to his comments on v10:
"What remains now for free-will, if all the good works which proceed from us are acknowledged to have been the gifts of the Spirit of God? Let godly readers weigh carefully the apostle’s words. He does not say that we are assisted by God. He does not say that the will is prepared, and is then left to run by its own strength. He does not say that the power of choosing aright is bestowed upon us, and that we are afterwards left to make our own choice. Such is the idle talk in which those persons who do their utmost to undervalue the grace of God are accustomed to indulge. But the apostle affirms that we are God’s work, and that everything good in us is his creation; by which he means that the whole man is formed by his hand to be good. It is not the mere power of choosing aright, or some indescribable kind of preparation, or even assistance, but the right will itself, which is his workmanship; otherwise Paul’s argument would have no force. He means to prove that man does not in any way procure salvation for himself, but obtains it as a free gift from God.."
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News Item2/22/14 7:17 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Ahem wrote:
John 1.13
which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
What does nor of the will of the flesh mean?
What does nor of the will of man mean?
It might be proper to deal with what Calvin said about Eph 2:9 before running off to another verse, don't you think? Was he right or wrong in his comment?
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News Item2/22/14 6:56 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
B.Rith wrote:
1. We are discussing baptism.
B.Rith
Discussing? I don't think so.
Anyway being a Baptist type believer I will respect your right to your opinion and thank God that I can place my faith solidly on the word of God and NOT the traditions, philosophie and notions of men.
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News Item2/22/14 5:06 PM
B.Rith  Find all comments by B.Rith
Michael Hranek wrote:
1. we would seek to show the love of God
2. imagine since they were sprinkled as a baby that they have obligated God in their election
1. We are discussing baptism.
2. As I have pointed out we Presbyterians go by the Book. Election is by GOD alone! Quote::
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
= Now zero human input in those whom God has brought to Christ and salvation. Not even the human faculty of faith.

And don't forget what God said about election AND REPROBATION ...
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

btw. Don't forget God's justice on the sinners.

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News Item2/22/14 4:56 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
B.Rith wrote:
Baptism is a symbolic act of the church as ordained by Christ.
B.Rith
Seems like we look at things quite differently

for some of us
we would seek to show the love of God to our children in laboring to tell them the Truth of Christ, to teach them the world of God, and be salt and light in their lives by living it by the grace of God to the best of our ablility (actually beyond by His grace and the filling of the Holy Spirit)

for others
to imagine since they were sprinkled as a baby that they have obligated God in their election

btw Believer's Baptism (Immersion) ceases to be a mere symbolic act, rather a public identification with Jesus Christ putting ones very life on the line in their faith, such as would be in a Muslim, Communist country or in times past a Calvinistic or Roman Catholic dominated one.

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News Item2/22/14 4:41 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
B.Rith wrote:
...
"faith" is the GIFT OF GOD .....
...!
While YOU are the one who believes in a works salvation, saying the WORK of sprinkling has value to boast before God that the recipient is OWED salvation because of it. We do believe that saving faith comes from God, not imparted by some act of man at "baptism", your works make the grace of God of none effect. (see Romans 11:6)

However, as long as we using Scripture. The gift of God in Ephesians 2:8 is salvation, that is made clear in the Greek, but don't take my word for it, research it yourself.

and as to babies being holy try see how that stacks up with,

Eph 2:2,3 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit THAT NOW WORKETH IN THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE: Among whom also WE ALL HAD our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; AND WERE BY NATURE THE CHILDREN OF WRATH, EVEN AS OTHERS.

1Cor 6:11 AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

Michael Hranek (and others), as usual, stand on the correct side.

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News Item2/22/14 4:40 PM
Ahem  Find all comments by Ahem
Mike wrote:
Not quite again. Salvation is the gift referred to in v8, affirmed by v9.
9. "Not of works. Instead of what he had said, that their salvation is of grace, he now affirms, that “it is the gift of God.” 124 Instead of what he had said, “Not of yourselves,” he now says, “Not of works.” Hence we see, that the apostle leaves nothing to men in procuring salvation. In these three phrases, — not of yourselves, — it is the gift of God, — not of works, — he embraces the substance of his long argument in the Epistles to the Romans and to the Galatians, that righteousness comes to us from the mercy of God alone, — is offered to us in Christ by the gospel, — and is received by faith alone, without the merit of works." John Calvin
John 1.13
which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

What does nor of the will of the flesh mean?

What does nor of the will of man mean?

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News Item2/22/14 4:37 PM
B.Rith  Find all comments by B.Rith
Michael Hranek wrote:
a worthless religious fantasy of make believe, such as the unBiblical sprinkling of babies (which btw tells them nothing from the word of God)....
faith comes by baby sprinkling
Michael.
Question Does the Baptist church ONLY baptise the elect? Ans: No.
Question Does the Baptist church baptise unsaved non-elect reprobates? Ans. Yes.

Therefore is "believer's" baptism perfect? Ans No.

So what we are discussing is not the end result as you have depicted above viz sprinkle leads to regeneration - No it does not. Only God draws the sinner to Christ. Only God elects.

The point, then is why "immerse" when Scripture says nothing about depth of water?
Second point, why wait until human statement is available in the individual, when baptism is a grace and not within human power?

Faith does not "come from" a mortal faculty. Faith comes from God and is the working of the Holy Spirit in the heart of the quickened elect person.

Baptism is a symbolic act of the church as ordained by Christ. It brings the person into the church. It is the *sign* and *seal* of the Covenant, of ingrafting and regeneration, of remission of sins. These are available ONLY by grace. Human input is only obedience. Depth is irrelevant nonsense.

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News Item2/22/14 4:34 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
B.Rith wrote:
---
What you have advocated above is that faith is a human faculty --- And NOT as the Bible teaches "The Gift of God"
Bible teaches "faith" is the GIFT OF GOD .....
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast"
---
Not quite again. Salvation is the gift referred to in v8, affirmed by v9.

9. "Not of works. Instead of what he had said, that their salvation is of grace, he now affirms, that “it is the gift of God.” 124 Instead of what he had said, “Not of yourselves,” he now says, “Not of works.” Hence we see, that the apostle leaves nothing to men in procuring salvation. In these three phrases, — not of yourselves, — it is the gift of God, — not of works, — he embraces the substance of his long argument in the Epistles to the Romans and to the Galatians, that righteousness comes to us from the mercy of God alone, — is offered to us in Christ by the gospel, — and is received by faith alone, without the merit of works." John Calvin

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News Item2/22/14 4:02 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
B.Rith wrote:
You see Michael "Faith" is the gift of God - A Grace - Therefore IT WORKS!!!
B.Rith
Yes! God Himself so mercifully and graciously gives/brings about FAITH by His word and the work of the Holy Spirit

therefore for a baptist parent who loves their children they can indeed in faith talk to them about God, the Truth He Himself reveals to us in Scripture, and trust He will honor His word (Promise) in Isaiah 55, other passages as well. Promises that a child of God can Praise Him for and boast of His Love and Faithfulness in.

Yet might we not rightly say, a worthless religious fantasy of make believe, such as the unBiblical sprinkling of babies (which btw tells them nothing from the word of God), is a frightful (quote) gift of Satan?

As if faith comes by baby sprinkling and baby sprinkling by wishful parents

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News Item2/22/14 3:12 PM
B.Rith  Find all comments by B.Rith
Michael Hranek wrote:
Let me say it this way:
"If a man or woman has not personally heard what God Himself has said their faith can be nothing more than a WORTHLESS fantasy of religious make believe."
Aaahh Michael you've gone back to your old Roman Catholic days for that theory.

Salvation by Works!!!

What you have advocated above is that faith is a human faculty --- And NOT as the Bible teaches "The Gift of God"

Bible teaches "faith" is the GIFT OF GOD .....
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast"

You've gone for the works in this case Michael!!! Do you wish to boast of your personally achieved salvation?

You see Michael "Faith" is the gift of God - A Grace - Therefore IT WORKS!!!

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News Item2/22/14 2:14 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
B.Rith wrote:
I notice you Baptists don't trust God in the baptism of the elect when they are infants.
B.Rith
Way to go!
Let me say it this way:
"If a man or woman has not personally heard what God Himself has said their faith can be nothing more than a WORTHLESS fantasy of religious make believe."

So having NOT heard a peep from God telling us "poor Baptists" your babies are part of the elect and you must needs sprinkle them we would turn instead to what God Himself has said

such as:
Rom 10
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

And proclaim the word of God, the Truth of Jesus Christ, the Cross to our children knowing among many REAL PROMISES of God:
1 Cor 15
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor [NOT baby sprinkling] is not in vain in the Lord.

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