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High cost of Common Core
States are learning the cost of Common Core is uncommonly high.

The federally-backed standards initiative, first proposed by the nation's governors and an educators' association, seeks to impose a national standard for achievement among K-12 students. So far, 45 states plus the District of Columbia have signed on, with some implementing curriculum designed for the Common Core Standards Initiative during the current school year and the rest set to take part in the next school year. But several states are reconsidering their participation, and one big reason is the cost.

States will spend up to an estimated $10 billion up front, then as much as $800 million per year for the first seven years that the controversial program is up and running. Much of the cost is on new, Common Core-aligned textbooks and curriculum, but the added expenses also include teacher training, technology upgrades, testing ...


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pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Jim, although logic is important, so is a pure heart. when we have idolatry and have put our trust in the ways of man, where is there room left to think for ourselves?

there are many answers out there to problems. even an atheist can see that a child will learn to read a phonetic language through phonograms. it takes a religion to teach people to give up the obvious for a bunch of mumbo jumbo that produces thoughtless people who are also illiterate. when one has a child 6 hours a day and they can't learn to read, now that takes a lot of work! nanny religion is tiresome.

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News Item2/21/14 2:55 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Penny, who said people taught about the Bible think? Now if they followed correct interpretation of the Bible, i.e., Principles of Bible Interpretation and see the reasons for Why the Differences Over What the Bible Says, then the students of the Word, no matter what their age would be on the right course.

Yes, people should be taught how to think, be well grounded in logic, and have such books as Come, Let Us Reason at hand.

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News Item2/15/14 2:58 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
the cost of common core. a generation that cannot think, and looks to the "expert" to feed them, in other words a generation ready to be ruled by authoritarianism, but cannot rule themselves. teach them a trade, how to plant seeds, milk a cow, urban land development, something they can put in their hands.... humanism showing its true colors, replaced the abc's and the bible and useless!
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News Item2/15/14 2:41 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Unprofitable Servant, I think we can both agree that public school system in both our states need to be monitored and some changes implemented. Now, as I pointed out our vocational school, Southeast Community College, is ranked 8th in the nation, at least according to them. A lot of the kids for IHCC go to it. The experience I had with it some years ago, not only teach students practical knowledge, but usually in a workplace type of environment. Now I think just knowing what was going on in the world is highly useful knowledge and a college education that is done right is something good--I have a feeling you agree with me on that. But colleges have been falling down on their job, especially the Frat ridden, state universities. What's needed to clean the public ed. system from top to bottom? Well, this would help--The New Post-College Assessment: Good for Business, but also that college students have some knowledge pounded into their pointy heads

But then, Christians, should depend more on, Encouraging and supporting Christian families who educate their children at home

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News Item2/14/14 3:21 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Yes, I did, UPS....
Yes I did, thanks for asking.
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News Item2/14/14 2:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, I did, UPS. I was just pointing out she seemed to have supported some standards should be set, and by the way those standards that Common Core have been around for decades! Did you also read the Wall Street Journal commentary? ...The Pleasures Of 'Teaching To the Test' to use its more formal title.

Now Liberals do want to see the strength of the teachers' unions not messed with. It is as much a union as the United Steel Workers or United Auto Workers (and surprise to them, I might not be as hostile as they think I would be to unions from my background, but still I don't give them any unalloyed blessing either). In fact while I have put up Full Show: United States of ALEC URL, I hope that I have pointed out this is an excellent show, but Mr. Moyers conviently forgot that Teacher Unions do the same thing as these companies and other self-interest groups do -- and not to the benefit of the country. See the Conservative Catholic thread.

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News Item2/14/14 1:44 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike, most people with the first name of "Diane," are women?
the last two paragraphs of ...The Truth About America's Schools. I hope you got a chance to read that commentary that was in the Wall Street Journal.
I don't get it. Mike post a comment the same lady made about Common Core in 2013 and Jim responds with a quote from what she wrote in 2007 before Common Core existed. Jim, sir, did you READ the post that Mike referenced?
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News Item2/14/14 1:58 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike, most people with the first name of "Diane," are women?
Diane Ravitch wrote:
For a remedy, E. D. Hirsch Jr.’s books, especially The Knowledge Deficit (Houghton Mifflin), are a good place to start. He developed the Core Knowledge curriculum, which lays out what children should learn from preschool through eighth grade. Students in Core Knowledge schools (there are about 800 that use the curriculum) achieve at very high levels, while getting a full education in history, literature, and the arts. It can be done.

The ingredients for success are the same everywhere: a coherent curriculum, highly qualified teachers, effective instruction, adequate resources, willing students, and a climate that respects education. It is good to have choices, especially for the lowest-performing students who have not benefited from their district schools. We do not need to dismantle public education. We need to do the hard and consistent work of improving it.

the last two paragraphs of ...The Truth About America's Schools. I hope you got a chance to read that commentary that was in the Wall Street Journal.
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News Item2/13/14 9:42 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, I'll take a look at it when I get off the SA Android app. I wonder if she'll agree with this? Many of my fellow teachers abhor standardized testing, yet the skills it requires are good for students‚ÄĒand teachers.
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News Item2/12/14 4:41 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike of N.Y., you probably won't like the end of this article, but hey, you can skip the last paragraph, Yes, spoiled brats seem to come from every economic strata of society. Yes, I read the article, and it's really quite good, Question & Answer: The Truth About America's Schools. Many may find it interesting since it tells how the Federal government has been involved with Education through the years. The authoress certainly isn't anti-Common Core, as you'll find out, if you read the last paragraph.---
The authoress as you call her, wrote your link in 2007. Now see what she had to say in 2013:
The Biggest Fallacy of Common Core Standards
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News Item2/12/14 4:23 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim don't forget to double your tax contributions to the government because according to you, people who feel they are taxed enough already are ignoramuses. Also, don't forget an article written in 2007 on education would have nothing to do with common core. Public education fails because there is no financial incentive to do better. The teacher's union make sure money gets thrown at the problem even when it fails miserably. You have been shown time and time again that common core is just dumbing down the curriculum and a propaganda tool for the leftist agenda. Even the educators left it because they saw that what it was. Just a bunch of overpaid bureaucrats in DC dictating what should be taught. As it unfolds, the truth of that statement becomes more and more obvious.

Politically speaking, the only hope for this nation is MORE tea party representatives reigning in the massive government take over of our lives. You can view them with disdain all you want, and continue to falsely slander them, but when all your freedoms have evaporated you'll wish you had thought differently.

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News Item2/12/14 3:31 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike of N.Y., you probably won't like the end of this article, but hey, you can skip the last paragraph, Yes, spoiled brats seem to come from every economic strata of society. Yes, I read the article, and it's really quite good, Question & Answer: The Truth About America's Schools.
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The last paragraph:
"The ingredients for success are the same everywhere: a coherent curriculum, highly qualified teachers, effective instruction, adequate resources, willing students, and a climate that respects education. It is good to have choices, especially for the lowest-performing students who have not benefited from their district schools. We do not need to dismantle public education. We need to do the hard and consistent work of improving it."

I don't find much wrong with this, except for the how. How do you make teachers highly qualified? Instruction effective? Students willing? A climate that respects education that leaves out truth as a matter of policy? How do you improve education if its purpose is to benefit society first, and the individual student second?

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News Item2/12/14 2:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike of N.Y., you probably won't like the end of this article, but hey, you can skip the last paragraph, Yes, spoiled brats seem to come from every economic strata of society. Yes, I read the article, and it's really quite good, Question & Answer: The Truth About America's Schools. Many may find it interesting since it tells how the Federal government has been involved with Education through the years. The authoress certainly isn't anti-Common Core, as you'll find out, if you read the last paragraph.

So, having a lot of heathens make it hard for the good school teachers, and they were in short supply years ago, and the Chicago Public School system which gets a lot of ridicule that it deserves -- doesn't get nearly enough. No, Common Core sure won't cure a lot of problems, but the cost of ignorant citizens is always too high.

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News Item2/11/14 8:19 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Apparently education --for the masses-- and that's what we're talking about with Common Core can't be done with pennies. Though, when people see that the Tea Party is cloning a bunch of little ignoramouses like themselves, the masses may rise up and demand action. See how your parr of the country is doing
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Good one, Jim. The clones sought by Common Core are now the tea party clones. Who knew?
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News Item2/11/14 8:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Apparently education --for the masses-- and that's what we're talking about with Common Core can't be done with pennies. Though, when people see that the Tea Party is cloning a bunch of little ignoramouses like themselves, the masses may rise up and demand action. See how your parr of the country is doing The National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)
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News Item2/10/14 4:12 PM
Good question  Find all comments by Good question
Mike wrote:
It's like asking "If baseballs are round, why is the Earth blue?
Wots the answer?
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News Item2/10/14 4:09 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Romneycare is working, If ObamaCare Is So Bad, How Does RomneyCare Survive? I not only pointed out that before,
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Wrong question. It's like asking "If baseballs are round, why is the Earth blue?

We should be asking, what are the differences that make one work, and the other not? This came out before Romney lost the election,, and before the goofy Grand Opening of Ocare:

The Differences

So why did some conservatives support Romneycare?

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News Item2/10/14 12:02 AM
Apostle  Find all comments by Apostle
It's nice that God's people don't have to worry about this common religious core stuff.
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News Item2/9/14 10:49 PM
pennies  Find all comments by pennies
Jim, I've seen things work with pennies that thousands of dollars and advanced technologies couldn't do, guess personal experiences have a lot to do with it. well, good day.
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News Item2/9/14 5:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Pe...you should at least read the transcript for the show, Full Show: United States of ALEC. Romneycare is working, If ObamaCare Is So Bad, How Does RomneyCare Survive? I not only pointed out that before, but also, Political Rivals Find Common Ground Over Common Core. It should be looked at especially by the parents concerned, but I don't expect any rational criticism from John Birchers, they have a long history of being irrational.
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