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Choice News THURSDAY, FEB 6, 2014  |  123 comments
Pat Robertson Thinks Young Earth Creationism Is A 'Joke'
Today on the 700 Club, Robertson responded to the debate between Bill Nye and Young Earth Creationist leader Ken Ham — who criticized Robertson’s remarks on creationism as a “destructive teaching” that “gives more fodder to the secularists” — by once again rebuking Young Earth Creationism and the chronology system designed by James Ussher.

“Let’s face it, there was a bishop [Ussher] who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years,” Robertson said. “There ain’t no way that’s possible. To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”

He continued: “We’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that is found in science and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.” ...


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Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Teacher JB wrote:
What's more amazing is:
"Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth."
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:...

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
(James 1:27 [KJV])

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News Item2/13/14 4:40 AM
Teacher JB  Find all comments by Teacher JB
What's more amazing is:

"Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth."

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punish

Dolores wrote:
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Am
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News Item2/13/14 12:10 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Mike wrote:
Sorry for the delay, Lurker.
Probably he wouldn't be convinced, but he would have to explain why he doesn't believe what Scripture says about it, to my satisfaction of course.
Then he would have to reveal why he thinks Jesus was wrong in his dealing with the OT "stories" as though they were obvious facts.
I would press him hard on this. If he got emotional about it, it would simply mean that he has no "scientific" nor biblical leg to stand on in attempting to reconcile feeble science with his denial of Scripture. He'd be admitting he's lukewarm at best. If that's ok with him, if truth itself is up for him to question, then I would withdraw.
I hear ya, bro. I would wish you the best but as you've witnessed many times on this forum, there always seems to be a way to justify just about anything a mind can conceive.

Anyway, your thoughts are appreciated.

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News Item2/12/14 10:49 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Lurker wrote:
Good point, Mike. But do you believe he would change his mind?
There are so many extra biblical influences that impact our interpretation of the bible that it's no wonder Christendom is as fractured as it is. The need to seek and find harmony between science and the bible is just another recently added to an already long list with tradition at the top, imo.
I generally steer clear of such discussions.... way to emotionally charged for my taste.
Sorry for the delay, Lurker.

Probably he wouldn't be convinced, but he would have to explain why he doesn't believe what Scripture says about it, to my satisfaction of course.

Then he would have to reveal why he thinks Jesus was wrong in his dealing with the OT "stories" as though they were obvious facts.

I would press him hard on this. If he got emotional about it, it would simply mean that he has no "scientific" nor biblical leg to stand on in attempting to reconcile feeble science with his denial of Scripture. He'd be admitting he's lukewarm at best. If that's ok with him, if truth itself is up for him to question, then I would withdraw.

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News Item2/11/14 1:17 PM
VanPastorMan | Indiana  Contact via emailFind all comments by VanPastorMan
I would see Rom 5:12 to be about the whole world being affected by sin. You make a great point about Romans 8,which I believe speaks explicitly about what Paul implies in Rom 5:12. He says that through one man sin entered the world. It didn't just enter man. It entered the world. And through sin death came. I believe Paul's comment about death is for the whole world too. If you look back at Genesis 1:30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so.
We can conclude that before the Fall there were no meat eaters. People and animals ate vegetation. I believe that before the Fall there was no death at all. Because sin entered the world through one man, then all of that got changed for both man and animals.
I wonder what Pat Robertson thinks of the world before the Fall, or does he even contemplate what sin actually has done to the world? Obviously he would have to have a real Adam and Eve wouldn't he? I do admit some lack of knowledge of the Old Earth position on some of these things.
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News Item2/11/14 10:48 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Mike wrote:
If Pat were to say this to me, I would remind him Romans 5:12 speaks only of the effect of the fall on man, refer him to Romans 8, reminding him that the creation, which has no soul but is physical, also fell along with men. I would ask how is it the fall only affected man's soul, but not his body, when it brought decay to every other physical thing in the creation.
Good point, Mike. But do you believe he would change his mind?

There are so many extra biblical influences that impact our interpretation of the bible that it's no wonder Christendom is as fractured as it is. The need to seek and find harmony between science and the bible is just another recently added to an already long list with tradition at the top, imo.

I generally steer clear of such discussions.... way to emotionally charged for my taste.

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News Item2/11/14 9:49 AM
Dolores | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores
Hi Michael H., loved your story about your co worker and the Bible verifies what you said in I John 3:10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest. Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. If you and the others were bickering among each other about your different interpertation of some scripture, would this woman have wanted what you were trying to tell her that she needed?!! I think not but she was shown God's love for her and her need for Christ. All of you laid aside your differences and showed her what you had in common, a love for Christ that resulted in a mutual love for her and each other. Amazing.
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News Item2/11/14 8:52 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
Mike wrote:
If Pat were to say this to me, I would remind him Romans 5:12 speaks only of the effect of the fall on man, refer him to Romans 8, reminding him that the creation, which has no soul but is physical, also fell along with men. I would ask how is it the fall only affected man's soul, but not his body, when it brought decay to every other physical thing in the creation.
Excellent point, Mike!
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News Item2/11/14 8:10 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Lurker wrote:
The point I was trying to make is that it is possible to interpret almost anything in the bible so that it fits one's presuppositions even though it may be polar opposite of what God intended.
Old earthers like Pat Robertson won't have a problem with Romans 5:12. He'll just say "death" in that verse means death of the soul, not the body. You, obviously, would disagree but could you prove him wrong? No. Why not? Because the prevailing hermeneutics are fallible.
If Pat were to say this to me, I would remind him Romans 5:12 speaks only of the effect of the fall on man, refer him to Romans 8, reminding him that the creation, which has no soul but is physical, also fell along with men. I would ask how is it the fall only affected man's soul, but not his body, when it brought decay to every other physical thing in the creation.
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News Item2/11/14 7:31 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Christopher000 wrote:
Observer, hope you're doing ok...
Hey Christopher

Yes, doing a lot better than I was. Thank you for your concern.

I take each day as it comes, and so long as the Lord is with me, I am more than a conqueror. The Lord is truly good to this undeserving wretch!

I hope that things are good with you too brother. I remember all the brothers and sisters here in prayer. May the Lord bless you all.

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News Item2/11/14 7:27 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Christopher000 wrote:
The Christians here disagree all day long, even argue, but when all of the different personalities and opinions continually come together as one against any particular person, then that person should really begin looking within.
Christopher000
Your post reminds me of something.
In another place and time
we, Christians genuinely born of the Spirit but in all sorts of denominations and backgrounds, had a coworker we all liked

This young woman was a wonderful coworker but lost, yet she could see despite all our denominational differences that we all loved her and that Jesus Christ was important to each and everyone of us.

God knows all the prayer lifted up to Him for her salvation and the rejoicing when on a day after Thanksgiving while a Presbyterian brother shared Christ with her, God made Himself real to her and she believed in Him

and how we all rejoiced He had saved her.

Thanks for the reminder of how everyone of us can have our part in God bringing about the Salvation of those we love and care about, despite our differences (and btw I am NOT talking about false brethern in false churches, just genuine believers with differences)

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News Item2/11/14 7:15 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hmmm Wrote:
...No Wonder I'm Coming Under CONSTANT Attack From The Devil/Demon-Spirits Sent From THE CONTROLLERS Of This website

No, that isn't the reason. The Christians here disagree all day long, even argue, but when all of the different personalities and opinions continually come together as one against any particular person, then that person should really begin looking within.

Observer, hope you're doing ok...

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News Item2/11/14 7:02 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
Lurker wrote:
The point I was trying to make is that it is possible to interpret almost anything in the bible so that it fits one's presuppositions even though it may be polar opposite of what God intended.
Old earthers like Pat Robertson won't have a problem with Romans 5:12. He'll just say "death" in that verse means death of the soul, not the body. You, obviously, would disagree but could you prove him wrong? No. Why not? Because the prevailing hermeneutics are fallible.
Your point is well-taken, Lurker.
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News Item2/11/14 4:48 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
ladybug wrote:
Observer,
It is nice to see your reference to A.W. Pink's writing on the Bible; he has been a tremendous blessing to me...
Thank you ladybug for your post. Indeed, all of Pink's works are worthy of study. He gives one marrow and fatness in doctrine and searching application (as he had a pastor's heart) whereas with most modern writers one would need to read hundreds of pages to find the occasional nugget.

The reason I mentioned particularly his book on Interpretation is that it is a crucial issue on which most Christians fail and the other books that we have on the issue are theory and give no application. Pink lays out the principles clearly and then proceeds to show how the principles work in practice.

Thankfully, Pink is a very good example of a Pastor who wants to equip his people to find treasure for themselves. He encourages others to dig in the Scriptures. Whereas too many modern Pastors and writers have bought into Priestcraft because they can make money (like worldlings do) pretending that they know secrets which others can buy into. Of course they will do it in installments to maximize profit!

Blessings dear sister.

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News Item2/10/14 10:30 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
VanPastorMan wrote:
Wouldn't death be both physical and spiritual. Sure Adam didn't die physically on the day he ate the fruit. It was spiritual. But physical death is also a consequence of sinning against God. It's why I do funerals as a pastor.
The point I was trying to make is that it is possible to interpret almost anything in the bible so that it fits one's presuppositions even though it may be polar opposite of what God intended.

Old earthers like Pat Robertson won't have a problem with Romans 5:12. He'll just say "death" in that verse means death of the soul, not the body. You, obviously, would disagree but could you prove him wrong? No. Why not? Because the prevailing hermeneutics are fallible.

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News Item2/10/14 8:48 PM
VanPastorMan | Indiana  Contact via emailFind all comments by VanPastorMan
Wouldn't death be both physical and spiritual. Sure Adam didn't die physically on the day he ate the fruit. It was spiritual. But physical death is also a consequence of sinning against God. It's why I do funerals as a pastor.
Lurker wrote:
Not making an argument for or against old earth; but it depends on how one interprets "death". Did Adam die when he ate of the forbidden fruit as God warned him?
Just something to think about.
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News Item2/10/14 7:57 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Hello Dorcas,

I haven't tackled that one yet, but it is on my list!
I would also recommend his teaching on the attributes of God, the sovereignty of God, and the Lord's prayer.
I find this about Arthur and his wife very admirable - this is from Iain Murray's 'the life of Arthur Pink' - 'They were what we would call today minimalists, living humbly and free from the trappings of materialism. They never owned a car and usually rented small apartments that were often no more than two rooms.'

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News Item2/10/14 7:27 PM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
I would add a hearty Amen to that ladybug
concerning A.W. Pink!
His book on the Divine Covenants is excellent and one of the best on the subject we have read.
Glad to read of others who have been blessed by his works!
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News Item2/10/14 7:10 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Observer,

It is nice to see your reference to A.W. Pink's writing on the Bible; he has been a tremendous blessing to me. I am nearly finished with his book 'the seven sayings of the Savior on the cross' which is available at pbministries as well. There is a wealth of edifying writing there for those who seek it.

I also recommend his teachings on the sermon on the mount, and his exposition on the gospel of John-which came about after 10 years of studying that one gospel!

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