Amen, john, you always make me feel better with your posts and the silly, laughing smiley face is tops.Sometimes I wonder if some of these posters have ever read the Old Testament and the Prophets. I know it takes a lot more effort to read, but still it is very needed. Elder John, that is a trick question isn't it? Well, I'll bite, it's not them sir, it's their descendents!
Btw, I am done with this discussion because it is causing me to be against another christian that holds a different view than me and that is worse..so to those who are in disagreement, I do see your point and agree with you up to a point. So, may you be blessed and have a good day.
Dolores wrote: Now, I am being a called a Zionist because I see God's hand still on the people of Israel and the part they are going to play in the end time events. Sorry but I can't feel much pity for a group of people that want to annilate another group of people because they were given Their land back. Have you not read the remarks they've made, not privately, how they will blow Israel off the map...sounds like a great group of people.
The Lord Jehovah will not permit any nastiness towards his ancient people. He will fight for them and destroy his enemies. All is in hand.
Now, I am being a called a Zionist because I see God's hand still on the people of Israel and the part they are going to play in the end time events. Sorry but I can't feel much pity for a group of people that want to annilate another group of people because they were given Their land back. Have you not read the remarks they've made, not privately, how they will blow Israel off the map...sounds like a great group of people.
to the victor go the spoils, by name speaks another highly potent political declaration. you really ready to defend that? what did Jesus say about those who live by the sword? why would I disagree that Islam was a terrible dark force that swept across whole regions of the world? So has Communism. But I don't hate everyone trapped in those countries, nor would I remedy it by displacing millions of them and pretending they don't exist. Christ's Kingdom is not built this way. Scofield left his wife and children.
So, the Arabs conquered by WAR most of the land they had in the middle east centuries ago. They lost by WAR some of that territory to the nation of Israel. However, in Penned's thinking Israel is unjust and the Arabs are just. Ok, whatever.
Founded on Christian beliefs? You mean like killing innocent people in the name of Jesus and conquering the land and then making a big Thanksgiving feast every year to celebrate the bloodshed?
Dolores wrote: Stevenr, I was attacked in the same way as you were, just because I see them in a good light does not mean I agree with their beliefs, however, they are still protected and cared for by God, just as they were when they were taken into bondage for 70 years for their sins. Just as America is under God judgements as of now even it was once founded on Christian beliefs. I saw what God's love really is for me through his love for His people, the Isrealites and His dealings with them. The muslims will never get their land which was promished to them through God's unconditional convenant wih Abraham and his decendants. There will be a temple rebuilt on the same site it was originally before the AntiChrist appears and there will be a remnant of Jews saved during the tribulation.
Dolores, when you say "muslims will never get their land" are you meaning that the Palestinians who lived there for thousands of years, both muslem and Christian who were forced off and displaced, will never get their land back?
or are you referring to the "one state" plan which aims for the lands of many muslem nations, that they will also be displaced?
can you not see you are making a political statement that effects millions of people?
can you not expect these muslim nations to protect themselves from invasion?
not meaning to be harsh with you dear sister, Christian Zionists do not think through what they are saying, for the most part. to say something within church walls as "eschatology" is a whole other matter when your pres is invading nations displacing millions of believers for a theological bent that showed up a hundred years ago.
Stevenr, I was attacked in the same way as you were, just because I see them in a good light does not mean I agree with their beliefs, however, they are still protected and cared for by God, just as they were when they were taken into bondage for 70 years for their sins. Just as America is under God judgements as of now even it was once founded on Christian beliefs. I saw what God's love really is for me through his love for His people, the Isrealites and His dealings with them. The muslims will never get their land which was promished to them through God's unconditional convenant wih Abraham and his decendants. There will be a temple rebuilt on the same site it was originally before the AntiChrist appears and there will be a remnant of Jews saved during the tribulation.
Stevenr, I'm sorry if I misread what you were saying. it seems in any discussion regarding Islam or Judaism it becomes all or nothing. For me, I just want to know the teachings, not to implicate all the people in a group, but just to understand the times. Please accept my apology if I have misunderstood you.
Wow! Two in a row that ignore what you say... First; penned... I never defended what they believe; interestingly, however, there are "Christian" (and I use that term loosely, because they are not Christian) that embraces each of those beliefs- CAB- same thing; I never said that Judaism was a "better religion" or that anyone should believe their current thought. The problem is twofold; first the defense of an obviously hostile religion (Islam) who, in MOST countries where it is prominent, espouse the idea of Killing Christians and other "Infidels" (look up the historical actions of Islam, they are only at peace with the "people of the book" when they are at the bottom of the food chain. When in power, they kill) The second issue I have is with attributing false doctrine to an entire group; even in Christ's day there were ones (Pharisee's and Saducees) who erred in doctrine. Not all Jews are bad... Like many others, what they teach is wrong, what they need is to be saved( which should be easier, since Christianity is but a fulfillment of the Jewish Messiah. Point being; don't cloud the issue with hate. Pray for them.
Stevenr wrote: CAB said "Judaism is false, occultic, wicked religion!" Wow! Really? My Bible tells me that Jesus was a Jew..how much easier can they be grafted in..The wicked occultic religions would be ones that are completely separated from God..ie Islam, Hindu, etc..
The Bible says not only Jesus, but all who believe in Jesus are "real Jews," the true and real (spiritual) children of Abraham per Galatians.
God is looking for faith, not DNA. The modern Jews who practice the evil occultic Christ-hating Judaic religion are mostly not physical Jews, but religious converts to the occultic Talmud and Zohar from the 800s.
So are you saying we should all convert to Judaism and raise our kids to believe Jesus was a devil who is now in Hell? To study how to lie and cheat the nonJew and practice self-worship? If you believe being Jew is the ultimate, there's nothing stopping you from converting if you really want to join the most occultic and Satanic religion ever, one focused on world depopulation and rule and stamping out all mention of the name of Jesus (which is what "yeshu" means as an insulting acronym re Jesus: "may his name be forever blotted from memory".)
Google Kol Nidre, favorite Jewish holiday celebrating freedom to lie to the goyim.
Stevenr, are you a Talmudist where it says Jesus is roasting in hell in excrement? Does the Talmud also teach a distinction between how to treat the Jew and non Jew? How about its view on homosexuality?
what of kabbalism that teaches God as male and female and occultic rituals to ascend to greater understandings of the world through readings of Hebrew letters? Madonna learns something of this from her rabbi.
is this what you are here to defend, a religion of homosexuality, insult of Christ, division of value of people, male-female God, are you sure about that?
Judaism is one huge mixed bag.
For all the Christian Zionists out there, why not go look up "Jews against Zionism". Judaism is a diverse group. A group called Torah Jews say "Jew" means religion while others are forcing them to identify with nonbelievers through race and place... let them speak when we ignore the scriptures themselves.
Jesus was a Jew. The Romans and Jews had Jesus put to death. That's the truth. Jews and Gentiles, all of us stand guilty before God.
Time for Christians to get a thicker skin and get with reality, out of the script and mantra thrown on us.
SteveR wrote: I dont agree with CAB calling them 'saints.' That is completely inaccurate. However Christians are not 'infidels' that must convert or die as your fear baiting suggests. Christians, Jews and other religious peoples were dhimmis not infidels. Further, Christians have a preferred and respected rank as 'people of the book.' I think CABs point is that our culture is so wicked, they by comparison look righteous
Hey man, can you ever make one single, solitary comment without including some sarcastic dig? Fear baiting? Whatever to you.