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Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S.

At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”

More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.

“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.” ...


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News Item2/9/14 7:42 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
At 2/8/14 9:41 AM in this thread I gave two witnesses from Dr. J. Vernon McGee's own mouth that he believed Ezekiel 38 and 39 refer to Russia.

If you haven't read that comment it is worth reading because it also reveals from Dr. McGee some interesting things about changing one's mind about something revealed in the Bible through deciding to study for your self what the truth equals in regard to some Bible truth.

This morning I was listening to mp3 65003 of Dr. McGee's audio commentary on the book of Jude and heard him say this:

"...This little book is going to present the apostasy as it is presented nowhere in Scripture ...I believe that we are in the Apostasy today but how much more farther we'll go in it before the Rapture I do not know and I am sure no one else knows...They overcame him how? By the blood of the Lamb. That's the only way that they are going to make it through the Great Tribulation those that are here. They will overcome by the blood of the Lamb..."

Any one wanting the free Audio commentary of the book of Jude by Dr. J . Vernon McGee can get it here. Scroll down the page until you get to the Jude download then download it.

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News Item2/9/14 6:42 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
CAB wrote:
Refuting Penal Atonement to UK John/aka "HELPS":
What do you mean, aka "Helps"?

I have one moniker, and that is quite enough for me.

Now stop telling your lies, lest you end up like Ananias and Sapphira.

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News Item2/9/14 5:49 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Cab and John Beechy can you hear God talking to you and about you:

1. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

(2 Timothy 3:1-9)

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News Item2/9/14 5:24 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
CAB wrote:
...and God doesn't want any scumbags in Heaven with him.
I thought that God was not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance? But then, we're all scumbags by nature. Ah, but Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. He doesn't save the nice ones, the goody goody people. He saves sinners. That is, sinners. He saves all who bow down before his displeasure and rate themselves as sinners (that is, sinners) and ask his mercy, saying, God be merciful to me, a sinner. That is, me, a sinner. Sinner. This is important to see ourselves as sinners, sinners. Sin has consequences, and Jesus paid it all, all to him I owe, sin has left a crimson stain, he washes white as snow. When we come as a sinner to Jesus. That is, as a sinner. A sinner. Sinner.

Not a self-righteous trumpet-blower.

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News Item2/9/14 4:58 AM
Question  Find all comments by Question
CAB wrote:
.....Remember Annanias and Sophira. They are in Hell because they lied.
You sure are going to join them for the same sin.
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News Item2/9/14 2:31 AM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
John Beechy wrote:
Stop removing my posts Alf!!
Anyways dopey, apparently the dope has hindered your comprehension ability. Let's try it this way, perhaps you can show us that J. Vern did not teach Statism and killing believers and unbelievers in the name of Jesus in the same way you expected me to show you that he didn't.
You are funny. Love your sense of humor. J. Vernon McGee was a poor deluded soul. I used to listen to him on the radio. He preached a lot of heresies, taught people to treat God like your buddy, not to have a second thought about sinning or displeasing God. He was one of those ravenous wolves Paul warns of, who sneak in the church disguised as righteous.

They preach License to Sin. They are corrupting God's new baby Christians and leading them into deadly error. Bible says they will receive a greater damnation because they are teachers.

So scary. Remember Annanias and Sophira. They are in Hell because they lied. They sold all they had and gave MOST of it to the church, but not ALL of it, but SAID they DID give all of it.

God is no pushover like J. Vernon McGee taught, not blind to our sins; knows our motives, knows our heart, and God doesn't want any scumbags in Heaven with him.

The Muslims realize this. Why don't we?

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News Item2/9/14 1:12 AM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
Stop removing my posts Alf!!

Anyways dopey, apparently the dope has hindered your comprehension ability. Let's try it this way, perhaps you can show us that J. Vern did not teach Statism and killing believers and unbelievers in the name of Jesus in the same way you expected me to show you that he didn't.

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News Item2/8/14 9:56 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
CAB wrote:
The mods want us to stay on topic, and I agree...

I agree with the SA mods not to spill over all over the board. It's sloppy and confusing So I agree with Alpha Mod to keep things on topic...

I will hold my peace on TV brainwashing, or keep my remarks confined to the thread on that very subject...

It's quite amazing if anyone ever studies how mind control does happen. Spend some time looking at Youtubes showing stage magicians hypnotizing people. Jaw dropping. TV does the same thing. Churches too...

Congratulations Cab, you kept your word for about a whole 10 seconds!!

Is is scriptural to mock the spiritual prophets of Baal? You decide:

And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them...
(1 Kings 18:27)

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News Item2/8/14 8:28 PM
Question  Find all comments by Question
CAB wrote:
It's quite amazing if anyone ever studies how mind control does happen. Spend some time looking at Youtubes showing stage magicians hypnotizing people. Jaw dro
It's quite an eye opener watching just how duped you are by the false teacher from whom you've learnt.
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News Item2/8/14 8:24 PM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
Dopey wrote:
You got that straight now SermonAudio? You guys do such a poor job of presenting topics for discussing doctrine that God had to send Cab to straighten you out as to which threads are correct for discussing doctrine and which not!
The mods want us to stay on topic, and I agree. Especially ongoing threads on doctrine should not be plastered all over the board on every other thread.

This doctrinal discussion is already split into two threads (the Russia/Godless and the Calvinist/Arminian). I agree with the SA mods not to spill over all over the board. It's sloppy and confusing, and this board is confusing enough as it is.

So I agree with Alpha Mod to keep things on topic, and in the past I've tried to help out best I can to do that.

I will hold my peace on TV brainwashing, or keep my remarks confined to the thread on that very subject, regarding examples of the way people are so rigid in their thinking, so programmed, unwilling to consider new information or a new perspective.

It's quite amazing if anyone ever studies how mind control does happen. Spend some time looking at Youtubes showing stage magicians hypnotizing people. Jaw dropping. TV does the same thing. Churches too. Why we need the Holy Spirit to find Truth.

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News Item2/8/14 8:07 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
CAB wrote:
...
Teen Christian, this is the proper thread to discuss doctrine, not the Pat Robertson thread.
You got that straight now SermonAudio?

You guys do such a poor job of presenting topics for discussing doctrine that God had to send Cab to straighten you out as to which threads are correct for discussing doctrine and which are not!

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News Item2/8/14 7:53 PM
Helps | UK  Find all comments by Helps
CAB wrote:
Refuting Penal Atonement to UK John/aka "HELPS":
.......
Summary: Thank God for the “precious” blood of Christ- the “sprinkled” blood of Christ- the blood of “the new covenant”- the blood of “the eternal covenant” (1 Pet. 1:
I am not John UK!

And why did you choose to reply in a different thread?

How does your post refute what I posted up, since you've made no attempt to answer the texts?!

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News Item2/8/14 7:46 PM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
Refuting Penal Atonement to UK John/aka "HELPS":

20 FACTS on THE BLOOD by F. Viola

Remits sins (Matt. 26:28)

Gives life to those who 'consume' it (John 6:53)

Causes us to dwell in Christ and He in us (John 6:56)

The means by which Jesus purchased the church (Acts 20:28)

The means by which Jesus becomes our atonement through faith (Rom. 3:25)

Justifies us, saves us from wrath (Rom. 5:9)

Redeems us (Eph. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:18-19; Rev. 5:9)

Brings those far away from God near to Him (Eph. 2:13)

Grants us forgiveness of sins (Col. 1:14)

Brings peace and reconciliation to God (Col. 1:20)

Obtains redemption for us (Heb. 9:12)

Cleanses conscience from dead works to serve the living God (Heb. 9:14)

The means to enter the most holy place with boldness (Heb. 10:19)

“The life is in the blood” (Lev. 17:11)

Sanctifies us (Heb. 13:12)

Completes us for every good work (Heb. 13:20-21)

Cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7)

Bears witness in the earth along w/ the Spirit and the water (1 John 5:8)

Washes us (Rev. 1:5; 7:14)

Overcomes the accuser of the brethren (Rev. 12:11)

Summary: Thank God for the “precious” blood of Christ- the “sprinkled” blood of Christ- the blood of “the new covenant”- the blood of “the eternal covenant” (1 Pet. 1:

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News Item2/8/14 6:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
CAB wrote:
Yes, I do think you are some kind of paid agent on this board, and I have my reasons for thinking that, as you well know.
No, I do not well know.

And if I could get paid for posting what I believe on boards like this, I would make it a fulltime job. But alas, on the contrary, it costs me both time and money to post my exhortations here, because Jesus said, "Freely you have received, freely give."

So let's have no more of this smoke blowing, false accusations, and claiming that no-one has refuted any of your false doctrines. It is all lies, and we both know who the father of lies is. CAB, I exhort you to repent and turn to God from your darkness, and freely receive from Jesus Christ that which he is willing to give you, eternal life through his blood atonement, when he paid the price for your sins, redeeming you by his precious blood (that is, paying a ransom price), and is able to impute your sins to himself and his righteousness to you, all by grace through faith, without one single work required, not now, nor in the future.

Until you are born again, you will imagine I hate you. But it is the devil telling you that. You must fight him away, and receive the word which can save your soul.

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News Item2/8/14 6:10 PM
Lie detector  Find all comments by Lie detector
CAB wrote:
Moving this discussion to one of the proper threads..
You are the one heterodox, teaching Limited Penal Bloodless Atonement here for how many years? Now claiming to champion blood atonement, but still claiming it's penal, when it's not, and you've not even tried to defend it as penal.
I have laid out my position clear as a bell on the 5 points of Calvinism, and so far you and I have only talked about the third point, your no-double-jeopardy bloodless penal atonement, the 3rd point of the TULIP.
Anyone can go back and read my posts and see clearly where I'm coming from. I'm not trying to be subtle about my position at all.
I've spoken clearly on all 5 points, and nobody has challenged me on any of what I've said. Why? Because my position is totally Biblical and irrefutable.
For this I am hated and challenged by dirty tricks, name-calling, blowing smoke, and such other things.
Yes, I do think you are some kind of paid agent on this board, and I have my reasons for thinking that, as you well know.
Teen Christian, this is the proper thread to discuss doctrine, not the Pat Robertson thread.
Your false views have been answered time and again. You just can't acknowledge it.
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News Item2/8/14 5:57 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Mike wrote:
I've heard of this "secret rapture" before, though the pretribbers aren't the ones who promote the idea of it being secret. No has been able to satifactorily explain how the disappearance of so may could in any way be secret.
Mike,
Critics like myself will use the term 'secret rapture' to expose this unbiblical view. Contrary to dispensational thought, our gathering on the Day of Christ isnt a secret one followed by 3.5 or 7 years of mayhem. Rather it happens on the last trump, reflected in the transition from the Feast of Trumpets to Feast of Tabernacles as well as in the Revelation of John of Patmos

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Further, we find their confusion between the terms

Day of the Lord
vs
Day of Christ

is ignored to validate their error

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News Item2/8/14 5:54 PM
CAB | No-TV Bible Christian  Find all comments by CAB
UK JOHN wrote:
UK JOHN SAYS: You are a great example of someone "set in their way", and that is a shame, because you hold heterodox teaching..
Moving this discussion to one of the proper threads..

You are the one heterodox, teaching Limited Penal Bloodless Atonement here for how many years? Now claiming to champion blood atonement, but still claiming it's penal, when it's not, and you've not even tried to defend it as penal.

I have laid out my position clear as a bell on the 5 points of Calvinism, and so far you and I have only talked about the third point, your no-double-jeopardy bloodless penal atonement, the 3rd point of the TULIP.

Anyone can go back and read my posts and see clearly where I'm coming from. I'm not trying to be subtle about my position at all.

I've spoken clearly on all 5 points, and nobody has challenged me on any of what I've said. Why? Because my position is totally Biblical and irrefutable.

For this I am hated and challenged by dirty tricks, name-calling, blowing smoke, and such other things.

Yes, I do think you are some kind of paid agent on this board, and I have my reasons for thinking that, as you well know.

Teen Christian, this is the proper thread to discuss doctrine, not the Pat Robertson thread.

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News Item2/8/14 3:14 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Apostle John Beechy wrote:
Dope fiend,
Radio program a few weeks ago where he answered a question about killing people and he started playing the Romans 13 song. Surely a few thousand or so witnesses heard him.
Mr. Apostle, I will take your answer for a definitive no that you don't "wish to" or can't "obey God in God's way " concerning what I asked of you.
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News Item2/8/14 3:12 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
SteveR wrote:
--- All Christians believe in a Rapture, just not a secret pre/mid trib one.
---
I've heard of this "secret rapture" before, though the pretribbers aren't the ones who promote the idea of it being secret. No has been able to satifactorily explain how the disappearance of so may could in any way be secret.
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Apostle John Beechy  Find all comments by Apostle John Beechy
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