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Choice News TUESDAY, JAN 28, 2014  |  43 comments  |  1 commentary
Creationist Says Christian Evolutionists Overlook Biblical Authority
Creation Museum CEO and President Ken Ham has written a blog post, blasting a Christian academic for overlooking Biblical authority in an attempt to explain the long lifespans of people mentioned in the Genesis 5 and 11 genealogies.

Ham, the founder of the apologetics ministry Answers in Genesis, supports a literal interpretation of the creation account in Genesis, and maintains that compromising God's Word in Genesis makes the Bible untrustworthy.

To make his point, Ham cites the example of an article written by Jim Stump, a PhD in philosophy from Boston University and the Content Manager at BioLogos, a group that promotes evolutionary beliefs. ...


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News Item2/3/14 2:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
These "Christian" Evolutionists are denying Christ.

Matthew 19
3 And some Pharisees came to Him, testing Him, and saying, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause at all?"
4 And He answered and said, "Have you not read, that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,
5 and said, 'FOR THIS CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND SHALL CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE; AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'?
6 "Consequently they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."---NASB

Jesus took Genesis literally. If one is a believer in Christ, he should do the same.

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News Item2/2/14 8:41 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
"Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity (love, 'agape' in the Greek) edifieth." ~ 1 Corinthians 8:1 KJV

Many (Christian) scientists have much knowledge which has caused them to be elevated in their minds against the truth. We expect non-believers to disregard the holy scriptures, but not those who are believers in The Lord Jesus as Messiah. Since Jesus/Yeshua, is, "The Word," Who became flesh and was manifest among us, is it not reasonable that believers should actually believe on God's Word?

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News Item1/30/14 10:55 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
The Bible expresses the mind of God and would take innumerable lifetimes to study as it ought. And even then its treasures are inexhaustible!

1 Cor 2
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Quite right Christopher, there is sooooo much more to come that we cannot even begin to imagine!

The foretaste of heaven that we enjoy now is not even the tip of the iceberg!

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News Item1/30/14 10:39 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Christopher000 wrote:
Yes, very interesting, Lurker. Some things I just can't help but to remain curious about. We know what we know but there is oh so much that we don't know that we may think we know and I believe we are in for many very eye opening, unexpected surprises.
Now, I am not into reading into things that are not there, but neither do I believe that things are so black and white at times, even though many claim to "know" better.
God told us all we need to know but I believe all we don't know will be so fantastic that we will be left speechless.
That's the attitude I like to see, Chris. When we get to the point where we are satisfied we've got it all figure out, it's all settled in our minds, we've become unteachable even by the Holy Spirit.

The hardest thing to open is a closed mind.

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News Item1/30/14 10:33 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
Christopher000 wrote:
Yes, very interesting, Lurker. Some things I just can't help but to remain curious about. We know what we know but there is oh so much that we don't know that we may think we know and I believe we are in for many very eye opening, unexpected surprises.
Now, I am not into reading into things that are not there, but neither do I believe that things are so black and white at times, even though many claim to "know" better.
God told us all we need to know but I believe all we don't know will be so fantastic that we will be left speechless.
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News Item1/30/14 10:28 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Yes, very interesting, Lurker. Some things I just can't help but to remain curious about. We know what we know but there is oh so much that we don't know that we may think we know and I believe we are in for many very eye opening, unexpected surprises.
Now, I am not into reading into things that are not there, but neither do I believe that things are so black and white at times, even though many claim to "know" better.
God told us all we need to know but I believe all we don't know will be so fantastic that we will be left speechless.
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News Item1/30/14 10:18 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
DJC49 wrote:
Very interesting, Lurker.
The prophet Jeremiah was drawing a parallelism between the (then) condition of Judah and Gen 1:2, i.e., there was no LIFE and no LIGHT in either. IMHO, no other inference should be drawn from the passage you just cited.
You may be right, DJC, and I'm certainly not inclined to contend one way or another. But I've always been drawn to seek a cover to cover harmony of the language of God such as the tree of life which is spoken of in the garden as well as the closing chapter of the Revelation. No doubt the HS through Jeremiah has drawn a parallel to Gen 1:2 but the question is: What is the extent of the parallel?

Thanks for your thoughts.

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News Item1/30/14 9:38 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
Lurker wrote:
Here's something else to think about...
Jer 4:23-26
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Sound similar to Gen 1:2?
The timeline of Jeremiah's prophecy was circa 586 BCE when God finally booted Judah from their inheritance into Babylonian captivity.
Very interesting, Lurker.

The prophet Jeremiah was drawing a parallelism between the (then) condition of Judah and Gen 1:2, i.e., there was no LIFE and no LIGHT in either. IMHO, no other inference should be drawn from the passage you just cited.

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News Item1/30/14 9:05 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Christopher000 wrote:
I think about "In the beginning", which for us means the point at which God said, ,"Let light be". But then, I think about a previous beginning. A beginning in which a rock, without form, and void was created, and God's Spirit brooded over its deep as He was about to give it life.
Morning Chris and Observer,

Here's something else to think about...

Jer 4:23-26
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Sound similar to Gen 1:2?

The timeline of Jeremiah's prophecy was circa 586 BCE when God finally booted Judah from their inheritance into Babylonian captivity.

My point? None really. Just something to ponder. I often wonder about such things as this, not being allowed to be satisfied with just shrugging my shoulders and ignoring it.

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News Item1/30/14 8:23 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks Observer. I've always been curious as to why, if the Earth was included at the same instance, why it would be without form and void. Always seemed to me like the Earth, not as we know it, had been there already and was ready to be made use of, or even reformed after the war in heaven (?). I suppose that thought will cause some backlash.
We can speculate all we want, but the plain statement should be enough. O/W we could also question why God spent 6 days creating everything when it could have been done in the twinkling of an eye.

Christopher000 wrote:
Anyway, you are very welcome. Just prayed again last night and will I continue to do so since its a never ending battle. Still pray for John UK's cluster headaches, and for others as well.
As I remember you my fellow sufferer and others on here who have come to my notice requesting prayer.

Blessings to you.

Gotto go.

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News Item1/30/14 8:01 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Observer. I've always been curious as to why, if the Earth was included at the same instance, why it would be without form and void. Always seemed to me like the Earth, not as we know it, had been there already and was ready to be made use of, or even reformed after the war in heaven (?). I suppose that thought will cause some backlash.

Anyway, you are very welcome. Just prayed again last night and will I continue to do so since its a never ending battle. Still pray for John UK's cluster headaches, and for others as well.

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News Item1/30/14 7:25 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Christopher000 wrote:
I think about "In the beginning", which for us means the point at which God said, ,"Let light be". But then, I think about a previous beginning. A beginning in which a rock, without form, and void was created, and God's Spirit brooded over its deep as He was about to give it life...
Morning bro.

Firstly, thank you very much for your prayers during the last difficult season of the soul. Much appreciated.

Small correction Christopher000 to your post.

"In the beginning" starts with the creative fiat viz. when God created the heavens and the earth, not when he said let there be light. So the "And the earth was without form, and void" is not a new beginning, just the first product of the creative fiat.

Otherwise, as you say, the phrase "the beginning" depends on what we are speaking of.

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News Item1/30/14 7:14 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Interesting thoughts and I think about what the word beginning means to us as finite beings. Anything that begins, also ends, no matter what. The laws of entropy say that everything goes to disorder and eventually comes to an end with the exception, it seems, of energy which seems to just float away into the ether; keeping its properties.
I think about "In the beginning", which for us means the point at which God said, ,"Let light be". But then, I think about a previous beginning. A beginning in which a rock, without form, and void was created, and God's Spirit brooded over its deep as He was about to give it life. Then, I think about another beginning, a beginning for Satan, the angels, the beasts of Heaven, the world of spirit which were created eternal, but created. I think about how little we really know.
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News Item1/29/14 6:00 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
DJC49 wrote:
Now you kiss and make up with "deeper!"
With respect DJC49, my contention is that the Bible starts with the statement "In the beginning..." If that is the "beginning", does the bible then refer to another beginning before this beginning? Deeper's contention is that yes there is another beginning. If so, then the first statement of the Bible is clearly incorrect because it was not the beginning.

This is irrespective of what one makes of the nature of eternity - a timeless zone, a everything is now zone etc.

Of course Presby with a thousand monikers, aka Deeper, lacks communication skills and you may be right that he has not communicated his thoughts correctly. Who can tell?

But whatever, I am not upset with Deeper. He can't help being what he is. And no matter what, I ain't kissing the dude!

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News Item1/29/14 5:08 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
Observer wrote:
1) No need to get upset DJC49.
2) Often asking a question is a good way of finding out what is being aimed at. No?

John 17:24
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

3) This would indicate that it was in eternity. Agreed?

To your #1 I reply: I'm not in the least upset.
To your #2 I reply: Yes, certainly.
To your #3 I reply: Agreed.

The phrase: "before the foundation of the world" is found in 3 places in Scripture: John 17:24; Eph 1:4; and 1Pet 1:20

These verses all point to an eternal state prior to the existence of space, matter, and TIME. It is the eternal state in which God, the "I AM" has His being. The eternal NOW. No clock. No calendar.

This eternal state is extremely difficult (if not impossible) to talk about since it is so foreign to our human experience and thinking. We are creatures captured in TIME and as such, our language concerning it is weak and insufficient. IMHO, this is why you had such a time of it with "deeper" who was trying to communicate something concerning this "eternal state."

Now you kiss and make up with "deeper!"

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News Item1/29/14 4:46 PM
deeper  Find all comments by deeper
DJC49 wrote:
What does the phrase: "before the foundation of the world" mean?
Now that's a good place to seek the beginning DJ.
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News Item1/29/14 4:29 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
DJC49 wrote:
In reply ...
I'm not about to answer my own question, sir ... I seek YOUR honest, candid answer.
No need to get upset DJC49. Often asking a question is a good way of finding out what is being aimed at. No?

John 17:24
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

This would indicate that it was in eternity. Agreed?

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News Item1/29/14 3:38 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
DJC49 wrote:
Observer,
What does the phrase: "before the foundation of the world" mean?
In reply ...
Observer wrote:
What do you make of it?
I'm not about to answer my own question, sir ... I seek YOUR honest, candid answer.
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News Item1/29/14 3:30 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
DJC49 wrote:
Observer,
What does the phrase: "before the foundation of the world" mean?
What do you make of it?
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News Item1/29/14 2:49 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
Observer,

What does the phrase: "before the foundation of the world" mean?

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