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WEDNESDAY, JAN 22, 2014  |  40 comments
Christian Apologist Ravi Zacharias Discusses What It Means to Be Human at BYU

Renowned Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias spoke to about 400 students and faculty members at Brigham Young University on Friday and addressed the question, "What does it mean to be human?"

Zacharias spoke at the university, which is sponsored by the Mormon Church, as a part of the school's "Faith, Family and Society" lecture series.

"If you ask me what has been the loss in our time, I think truly it has been the loss of definitions," he said, indicating that society no longer knows how to define things like good, evil, family, the "sacredness of sexuality" and what it means to be human. ...


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News Item1/30/14 3:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I see that Chicago was often brought up in this thread. This means I should point out that people in the Chicago/Hammond area should and can avoid Red Hot Preaching, one good church in that area to check out is, Christian Fellowship Church.
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News Item1/30/14 4:16 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Joe Lee, you have an excellent point. Mormonism is not Christianity. Organizations like The Promise Keepers, and other forms of ecumenism have been stifled at least, but we seem to be in a constant battle to realize that giving any recognition to group like the Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses as having any relationship to Christianity is wrong.
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News Item1/23/14 8:31 AM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Chris...
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News Item1/23/14 7:08 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Shane, you're starting to crack me up when I see that every day. Good luck...ha-ha.
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News Item1/23/14 12:16 AM
joe lee | usa  Find all comments by joe lee
Ravi refers to Mormons as Christians and speaks at the Mormon Tabernacle after BYU. He gives a theistic talk and never confronts the error of their doctrine or even affirms the sufficiency of Scripture. I will never look at Ravi the same.
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News Item1/22/14 8:26 PM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Cab..?
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News Item1/22/14 7:59 PM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
I see UK John's imaginary friends are visiting the forum this evening. Guess they decided to brave the cold weather and step out of the cave and head on up to the library after all. Perhaps dear sister Dorcas and sister Anne and sweet sister Dolores will be joining us also. Maybe Rinaldo might show up to post something?
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News Item1/22/14 6:15 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
pennned wrote:
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" Romans 1:20
If this was intended to refute what I said, it does not. Contrary to what numerous Bible commentators think, the only way this verse can avoid absurdity is if "clearly seen" means understood by the mind absent any action by the eyeballs or optic nerve. This isn't at all forced, since even in everyday speech, we use sight as a metaphor for understanding.

Man's understanding of God is innate, "hardwired" by our Maker, with no sensory input required. Otherwise a blind & deaf person might have an excuse for unbelief.

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News Item1/22/14 6:03 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike wrote:
Frank. You're right on! it's just a big ecumenical stew! These guys are not reformers. They cherry pick, and see where they can compromise. These guys are fellowshiping singing and praying at BYU with the enemy of the gospel. I believe new Calvinist al Mohler, was at a concert at BYU put on by Janes Taylor. I'm guessing 1.Cor5:11 is out the doors with these guys?
Thanks Mike! You are correct about Mohler going to BYU, although since I don't listen to anything he says or read what he writes, I'm not sure of the purpose for the visit. BUT CLEARLY YOUR 1 COR 5:11 IS RIGHT ON. Thanks for providing that verse.
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News Item1/22/14 5:57 PM
Chicago Politics 101  Find all comments by Chicago Politics 101
I'll Take The "Declarations Of (Avro) Manhattan" Over The "Manhattan Declaration" Any Day !

Possible 2015 Candidate For City Treasurer,
City Of Chicago,
State Of Illinois,
United States Of America

P.S.The Following Is A List Of Avro Manhattan's Most Notable Works:

* The Rumbling Of The Apocalypse (1934)

* Towards A New Italy [Preface By H.G. Wells] (1943)

* Latin America And The Vatican (1946)

* The [Roman] Catholic Church Against The Twentieth Century (1947; 2nd Edition 1950)

* The Vatican In Asia (1948)

* Religion In Russia (1949)

* Vatican In World Politics (1949)

* [Roman] Catholic Imperialism And World Freedom (1952; 2nd Edition 1959)

* Terror Over Yugoslavia, The Threat To Europe (1953)

* The Dollar And The Vatican (1956)

* Vatican Imperialism In The Twentieth Century (1965)

* Vatican Moscow Alliance (1982)

* The Vatican Billions (1983)

* [Roman] Catholic Terror In Ireland (1988)

* Vietnam...Why Did We Go ? (1984)

* Murder In The Vatican, American Russian And Papal Plots (1985)

* The Vatican's Holocaust (1986)

**Mr. Manhattan [1914-1990] Born In Milan, Italy To American & Swiss/Dutch Parents Of Jewish Extraction. Educated At The Sorbonne & London School Of Economics. Jailed By Mussolini & Friend To H.G. Wells.**

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News Item1/22/14 5:56 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" Romans 1:20
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News Item1/22/14 5:35 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
interesting read wrote:
“The Roman Catholic “Manhattan Declaration” .. affirmed that human reason apart from and independent of Scripture was the ultimate and final Judge of truth and morals. It was an affirmation of Catholic Natural Religion, Natural Theology, and Natural Law.
VERY good point, one I didn't expect to hear outside the Trinity Foundation. The myth of Natural Law & the so-called reliability of independent reason & the senses are basic tenets of Catholicism (via Thomas Aquinas), which one hears all the time in Rome's language. It travels well because one doesn't have to be a Catholic to believe it. In fact, that's the whole point.

But the strange thing is, few Protestant laymen I meet, even zealots, seem to recognize this, so no surprise that leaders are deceived as well.

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News Item1/22/14 5:26 PM
Mike | Florida  Find all comments by Mike
Frank. You're right on! it's just a big ecumenical stew! These guys are not reformers. They cherry pick, and see where they can compromise. These guys are fellowshiping singing and praying at BYU with the enemy of the gospel. I believe new Calvinist al Mohler, was at a concert at BYU put on by Janes Taylor. I'm guessing 1.Cor5:11 is out the doors with these guys?
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News Item1/22/14 5:07 PM
interesting read  Find all comments by interesting read
“The Roman Catholic “Manhattan Declaration” was one of the most deceptive statements ever written. It affirmed that human reason apart from and independent of Scripture was the ultimate and final Judge of truth and morals. It was an affirmation of Catholic Natural Religion, Natural Theology, and Natural Law. It was also a protest statement against the Reformation doctrine of Sola Scriptura in which the Bible alone is the ultimate authority over doctrine and morals.”

Manhattan Declaration Selling out the Reformation?Part 2

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News Item1/22/14 5:05 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
DJC49 wrote:
Frank, your concerns are well-taken. If I understand you correctly, you are anti-Manhatten Declaration for what it implies, i.e., that the named "Christian" denominations are truly CHRISTIAN. That implication is certainly problematic. Are you moreover against the MD's stated objectives? I should hope not.
Now to my hypothetical:
Let's say YOUR local church made a declaration which stated:
"We Christians here at [your local church's name] uphold the sanctity of life; marriage as biblically understood; and the right to freedom of religion and conscience."
Again, would you sign it?
More than likely, both wheat & tares warm the seats at your local church. These tares -- or even ONE -- within your local church would put the lie to "We Christians" within the declaration. That would make ALL declarations which stated "We Christians" ... problematic.
Sorry, the document doesn't imply these groups are Christian; it states they are. Why would you change the obvious into something it was not? Read the first line of the declaration.

Anyway, please don't think I agree with anything you have implied. You have failed to address any of my concerns and I am too old to play games.

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News Item1/22/14 4:58 PM
Chicago Politics 101  Find all comments by Chicago Politics 101
Again, Does That Mean That The Personages Of The Holy Bible Were All Democrats ?

Because, They Sure Didn't Ride Elephants !

Except Maybe Simon Of Cyrene, Libya--As They Used Elephants In North-African Incursions Into Europe, Eastern Europe & The Holy Land ala Hannibal & The Second Punic War (With The Use Of War 'Elephants').

Simon Of Cyrene, Libya, Most Likely Would've Used A Camel If He Didn't Have Access To A Donkey.

Now, Does That Mean That Simon Of Cyrene, Libya, Was Most Likely An 'Independent'; And Neither A "Donkey"-Democrat Or A GOPer--Grand Old Pachydermer ?

Party Politics Can Be Very Frustrating & Very, Very Unprofitable.
Playing Party "Religion" Can & Is Extremely Very Dangerous & Very, Very UNPROFITABLE !

As RAVI ZACHARIAS Is Playing The "ECUMENICAL"--NEW-WORLD-'RELIGIOUS'-[DIS]ORDER When He Spoke To About 400 Students & Faculty Members At MORMONIC Bringham Young University:

SORT OF LIKE WHEN BOB JONES III HAD MITT ROMNEY OVER AT BOB JONES UNIVERSITY: PLAYING THE "ECUMENICAL"-CARD VEILED AS "POLITICS";

AND COMMITING SPIRITUAL FORNICATION PLAYING "PARTY-POLITICS" WITH THE MASONIC-MORMON-CULT !

**IF ONLY BJU WOULD PURGE ITSELF OF ALL IT'S HIGHRANKING-FREEMASONS; THEN, MAYBE THERE'LL BE NO MORE EVIL-ECUMENICAL-FREEMASONIC-MORMONIC APOSTASY !**

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News Item1/22/14 4:55 PM
interesting read  Find all comments by interesting read
“The New York Times Magazine, Dec. 20, 2009 carried an article by David Kirkpatrick on his old mentor and friend Dr. Robert P. George, a Roman Catholic “natural law theorist” who teaches at Princeton University.”

”During the interview, Dr. George is quite candid about the theological and philosophical basis of the “Manhattan Declaration,” … Dr. George is the hand behind the Declaration from beginning to end.”

“George expressed his amazement that so many “evangelicals” signed the Manhattan Declaration, which is clearly based on Roman Catholic natural law theory. He noted that evangelicals historically denied Catholic natural law and preached that the Bible was the ultimate authority over faith and practice.”

”How did he get so many Protestants to sign on to his Catholic Declaration when by signing they were unwittingly rejecting the very basis of the Reformation? George stated, “I sold my view about reason!” (p.29) He tricked them into throwing out the Bible and putting human reason in its place!”

Manhattan Declaration Selling out the Reformation?Part 1

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News Item1/22/14 4:26 PM
Chicago Politics 101  Find all comments by Chicago Politics 101
Again, Does That Mean That The Personages Of The Holy Bible Were All Democrats ?

Because, They Sure Didn't Ride Elephants !

Except Maybe Simon Of Cyrene, Libya--As They Used Elephants In North-African Incursions Into Europe, Eastern Europe & The Holy Land ala Hannibal & The Second Punic War (With The Use Of War 'Elephants').

Simon Of Cyrene, Libya, Most Likely Would've Used A Camel If He Didn't Have Access To A Donkey.

Now, Does That Mean That Simon Of Cyrene, Libya, Was Most Likely An 'Independent'; And Neither A "Donkey"-Democrat Or A GOPer--Grand Old Pachydermer ?

Party Politics Can Be Very Frustrating & Very, Very Unprofitable.

Playing Party "Religion" Can & Is Extremely Very Dangerous & Very, Very UNPROFITABLE !

As RAVI ZACHARIAS Is Playing The "ECUMENICAL"--NEW-WORLD-'RELIGIOUS'-[DIS]ORDER When He Spoke To About 400 Students And Faculty Members At MORMONIC Bringham Young University:

SORT OF LIKE WHEN BOB JONES III HAD MITT ROMNEY OVER AT BOB JONES UNIVERSITY: PLAYING THE "ECUMENICAL"-CARD VEILED AS "POLITICS";

**AND COMMITING SPIRITUAL FORNICATION, PLAYING "PARTY-POLITICS" WITH THE MASONIC-MORMON-CULT !

Thank GOD BJU Has Finally Distanced Itself From "Playing-Party-Politics" !

Now, If They Can Only PURGE THE HIGHRANKING FREEMASONS FROM BJU !

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News Item1/22/14 4:06 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
Frank wrote:
[snip] In your hypothetical, if I somehow knew with any degree of certainty that the church document contained the signatures of unsaved folks, then I would not sign it or endorse it if it said otherwise. That would be a lie, especially if it led others in the wrong direction or gave them a false sense of security.
Frank, your concerns are well-taken. If I understand you correctly, you are anti-Manhatten Declaration for what it implies, i.e., that the named "Christian" denominations are truly CHRISTIAN. That implication is certainly problematic. Are you moreover against the MD's stated objectives? I should hope not.

Now to my hypothetical:
Let's say YOUR local church made a declaration which stated:
"We Christians here at [your local church's name] uphold the sanctity of life; marriage as biblically understood; and the right to freedom of religion and conscience."

Again, would you sign it?

More than likely, both wheat & tares warm the seats at your local church. These tares -- or even ONE -- within your local church would put the lie to "We Christians" within the declaration. That would make ALL declarations which stated "We Christians" ... problematic.

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News Item1/22/14 3:40 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Anyone calling themselves "interrogative" should know the difference between the imperative & indicative sense.

Why do I suddenly feel stupid when Neil speaks? ...ha-ha.

You all are something...I've never even heard of the speaker, the Manhattan declaration, etc, but you all talk as if you just finished studying. Always glad I gave this forum a run because you learn a lot quick. I have checked out many others and although you can start discussion threads which is great, and they're not news forums, they are a mess with all types fighting non-stop. The heated discussions here are nothing compared to some others I have seen on supposedly born again Christian sites.

Okay, on with the discussion...

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