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MONDAY, JAN 13, 2014  |  17 comments
Pope's choice of new cardinals puts emphasis on poor
Pope Francis put his first stamp on the group at the top of the Roman Catholic hierarchy on Sunday, naming 19 new cardinals from around the world and emphasizing his concern for poor countries.

Sixteen of them are "cardinal electors" under 80 and thus eligible to enter a conclave to elect a pope. They come from Italy, Germany, Britain, Nicaragua, Canada, Ivory Coast, Brazil, Argentina, South Korea, Chile, Burkina Faso, the Philippines and Haiti.

Half of them are non-Europeans, indicating the importance Francis attaches to the developing world. Francis is the first Latin American pope and the first non-European pontiff in some 1,300 years. ...


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Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Neil, according to the BBB, it is an accredited charity, more details can be found on the Better Business Bureau site, Salvation Army (National Corporation) (BBB Review).
Do you actually study the pages you post, or do you just toss them out blindly hoping I'll be fooled? For nothing on that site proves they do good work. One link says they're supposed to evaluate their effectiveness biannually, but nothing is said about how that's done, let alone make clear that it's done by outside auditors.
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News Item1/14/14 2:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, according to the BBB, it is an accredited charity, more details can be found on the Better Business Bureau site, Salvation Army (National Corporation) (BBB Review).

Also Neil and Shane, I do take note of the Salvation's Army's theology. It is Wesleyan and Arminian. (According to one site, Catholic one which attacked them--a reverse endorsement if I ever saw one--The Salvation Army doesn't think baptism is necessary (even as an ordinance even?) or Communion (as an ordinance even?) So, another site about them, Overview of the Salvation Army.

I think their worthy enough for a contribution, at least nothing huge, I'd rather give to them than some other para-church outfit.

Also may I remind some of you, Luke 18:11-14, and The Inadequacy of Moralism

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News Item1/13/14 8:04 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Frank, as you wish, I will be more gentle, but will the church offer the same gentle spirit to those we are speaking of? thing is, they don't complain. so many I know do not know what it was like a generation ago, when you bought something it works, today you buy it and it doesn't work, made in China and goes in trash, so much money wasted. I see young people beating themselves up for their circumstances. What is going on with this generational divide?
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News Item1/13/14 7:32 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
penny wrote:
how nice of you to say "not all are like that"??
sarcasm = ? noun: witty language used to convey insults or scorn.

Last response. Disagreement, dialogue, debate are fine, but sarcasm never is necessary. But, at least you aren't saying I am "willfully ignorant".

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News Item1/13/14 7:31 PM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Look into how the salvation army started. It was a beautiful movement.

Penny... depression is a little extreme. Economically speaking. Compared to what's coming.

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News Item1/13/14 7:23 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Frank, unfortunately, your opinion seems to be the general attitude of the church today, and I see the young flocking out of the churches... perhaps they just aren't really listening. we are in a depression with most having a check come in the mail, food stamps, I see young people that worked, lost their jobs and have just given up... and many, many on welfare rolls, imagine if they all started looking for the jobs that don't exist. I meet missionaries getting "advanced training" on how to raise support in these trying times...go look up job stats, they aren't there. reminds me of the young behind the iron curtain in many ways... how nice of you to say "not all are like that"?? why do you think ocare is coming in to play? the money isn't there and they are wanting the young to sign up to pay for the old, the young don't have the money anymore Frank. things have changed.
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News Item1/13/14 7:16 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
penny wrote:
Frank, you may consider that you were told twenty five years ago, in an entirely different era and economy, before NAFTA, loss of jobs, when America was at its height and college could be had for a decent price.... that homeless chose it. what was that? 1988??
well, in my world, I know many gentlemen finding it difficult to find work that can actually pay the bills -- lots of young people racking up debt to be downsized/fired or can't find work. that's the real world. where there are millions and millions laid off year after year, more looking for work than can get it.... sure maybe minimum wage job, and that is going to feed a family how?
lots of small churches I know can't pay their pastors and the pastors can't even find day work.... nope, these aren't boozers.
I only repeated what she, the coordinator, said and what I actually saw. But to be honest, I do believe that to still be the case today.
BUT NOT SAYING ALL ARE LIKE THAT. But my thoughts are that human nature hasn't changed much since Eve was deceived and then Adam said okay. It is simply getting worse and worse.
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News Item1/13/14 6:53 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Frank, you may consider that you were told twenty five years ago, in an entirely different era and economy, before NAFTA, loss of jobs, when America was at its height and college could be had for a decent price.... that homeless chose it. what was that? 1988??

well, in my world, I know many gentlemen finding it difficult to find work that can actually pay the bills -- lots of young people racking up debt to be downsized/fired or can't find work. that's the real world. where there are millions and millions laid off year after year, more looking for work than can get it.... sure maybe minimum wage job, and that is going to feed a family how?

lots of small churches I know can't pay their pastors and the pastors can't even find day work.... nope, these aren't boozers.

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News Item1/13/14 6:30 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Neil wrote:
Does it? Do you have impartial evidence that they actually accomplish their stated objectives & thus do a Good Work? I say impartial because the trouble with many NGOs like them is, they have no incentive to publicize any serious failure of purpose, due to Conflict of Interest (bad news = reduced donations).
Or do you define a Good Work as giving aid to any sort of person who claims to be poor, whether they actually are or not? For example, maybe recipients take donations, pawn them, & buy drugs with the profits. How could that be a Good Work, enabling a man to destroy himself?
I'm not interested in their theology at this point, for even if they're entirely orthodox, my question still remains.
Good comment Neil! I was told 25 years or so ago by a regional homeless coordinator that 95% of the homeless chose a lifestyle the made them homeless and keeps them homeless. During this work related outreach, we watched them take our hand-outs, go down the street and sell them at a second hand store and then go a little further and buy booze. True story.

But, your thought about these charities not exposing or admitting their failures is "outstanding".

Strat; I agree fully with your comment. Unless they see the error of their ways - NO.

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News Item1/13/14 5:01 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
The bible clearly defines the poor as those who through no fault of their own cannot provide for themselves,the old,sick and orphans etc,a great many of what America calls poor are simply people who are being helped to avoid the consequences of their actions...how much sense does it make for God's word to condemn things like criminal behaviour,laziness,drunkeness,drug abuse,fornication and illigitamacy then have people who are called by his name going around and enabling them and sheltering them from the consequences God has lovingly put in place to give them some chance for change....it makes no sense.
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News Item1/13/14 2:40 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Neil, while the Salvation Army does good work,
Does it? Do you have impartial evidence that they actually accomplish their stated objectives & thus do a Good Work? I say impartial because the trouble with many NGOs like them is, they have no incentive to publicize any serious failure of purpose, due to Conflict of Interest (bad news = reduced donations).

Or do you define a Good Work as giving aid to any sort of person who claims to be poor, whether they actually are or not? For example, maybe recipients take donations, pawn them, & buy drugs with the profits. How could that be a Good Work, enabling a man to destroy himself?

I'm not interested in their theology at this point, for even if they're entirely orthodox, my question still remains.

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News Item1/13/14 2:25 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, while the Salvation Army does good work, and is more acceptable than the Romish Church in many ways, it probably too, belongs in the list of Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses (etc.). They would probably do a much better job of preaching the Gospel than Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion? -- No.

But, no, I really don't endorse the theology as I understand it, of the Salvation Army. There is a very fine line between right and wrong theology, and when you're on the wrong side of the line, it's a lot like stepping over a cliff. A little or a lot wrong, one would be dead wrong.

I wonder how many of these bishops are replacement for the ones that were forced to resign because of sexual immorality, though Clerical Celibacy is sexual immorality also.

Some more on these anti-Christs/Popes, The Pope and the Papacy.

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News Item1/13/14 12:12 PM
JSC | Illinois  Find all comments by JSC
There is everything wrong with him helping the poor, if it doesn't lead people to the atoning work of Christ it is an offense and vain.

Neil made me chuckle when you wanted to be fair then call him the man of sin, chuckle in a good way, I appreciated it.

The papacy has worked very hard throughout the years to get us to forget all the attrocities by fawning and pleading to men's flesh. I see everything wrong with it. They cannot come out and repent (ex-cathedra) and so they create smoke shows and mislead more people.

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News Item1/13/14 10:53 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
if he wants to help the poor, his Unholiness should join the Salvation Army
Rome has many charities that have the same declared purpose as the Salvos (who interestingly, are listed there), so you're being a bit unfair to the Man of Sin. Now whether they actually reduce what Americans call poverty is unclear to me.
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News Item1/13/14 7:11 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
if he wants to help the poor, his Unholiness should join the Salvation Army
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News Item1/13/14 7:10 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item1/13/14 4:56 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Nothing wrong with Francis being concerned about the poor.
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