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SUNDAY, JAN 12, 2014  |  31 comments
Common Core Killing Nation's Great Literature
Fewer students will be exposed to the great works of literature, art and music under the Common Core State Standards Initiative, Terrence O. Moore, assistant professor of history at Hillsdale College argues.

The Common Core is an "attempt to take away the great stories of the American people and replace them with the stories that fit the progressive, liberal narrative of the world," Moore said in a Thursday speech hosted by Hillsdale College in Washington, D.C.

The architects of the Common Core, he said, are "story-killers" because they are "killing the greatest stories of the greatest nation in history." ...

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News Item1/14/14 1:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
GsTexas, we shouldn't have to pay to have children with garbage, and from the material I gave it shows that attack on Common Core is just another way to get (mainly Catholic) vouchers! This should be fought tooth & nail!
Emmett McLoughlin wrote:
[Nevertheless] It is my contention and my sincere conviction, from my experience in the Catholic educational system, my life of fifteen years in the priesthood, and thirteen years of constant observation and intense study since leaving the Church, that its influence on all civilization has been far more of evil than of good....[his] book will show the high rate of crime and sin among Roman Catholics everywhere, and particularly in the United States. It will also demonstrate that this immorality is not in spite of Catholic education and training, but directly because of it.
excerpt from, Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion? -- No.
See the thread, Conservative Catholics question Pope Francis’s approach

News Item1/14/14 1:12 AM
GsTexas  Find all comments by GsTexas
Thanks Anne for the encouraging post.

GetReal, I never meant to come off rude, and I don't think you are a jerk. I just thought your attack on Anne and others for speaking out against humanistic literature was unwarranted, especially since Scripture tells what to fill our minds with (Philippians 4:8). Like I said, I read secular literature (I started reading Atlas Shrugged the other day, and you don't get much more secular than that) so I'm not saying we need only to stay in a Christian cocoon. However we need to be discerning with what we take in, so as not to defile our mind, and we shouldn't read anything that will make us stumble.


News Item1/13/14 11:10 PM
Anne | The Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Wow GsTexas, you are on a roll! Keep speaking the truth in love Gs and let God sort it out. When I see certain individuals posting it gives me a great chance to pray for those on the forum who I believe are truly trying to contend for the faith and exhault Christ to where He belongs. You and a host of others have been wrongly accused of much lately in a few threads - take heart and be of good cheer because whatever it is you are doing, it's making Satan mad! So, good job and may you and your family continue to walk the narrow, very unpopular road that leads us ever upward!

News Item1/13/14 8:14 PM
get real | earth  Find all comments by get real
i have been called jerk face before
usually after i had given someone the straight dope on their life, they would walk away hating me and sooner or later they would return and tell me how much they used to hate me and how in your face i seemed to them, but when all else failed they actually tried my advice and it worked, then they would say that they thought i was the meanest jerk face for putting a boot up their butt, but it was what they needed to do, and it was hard to do, but when they did it, it solved the problem and they realized that i cared about them and wasn't a jerk face but that i loved them ...

News Item1/13/14 7:01 PM
GsTexas  Find all comments by GsTexas
get real wrote:
if we were to follow your advice we would insulate ourselves in a nice hug box and would be powerless to help those whom are in dire need because we have no idea about it at all, like all the people who walked way way to the side of the road to avoid seeing the injured man, and only the "worldly" "good Samaritan" had the intestinal fortitude to look at him consider his plight and take him to an inn, no one else wanted to get their hands dirty, or eyes dirty, they looked away ...
what the apostle is saying is this, when persecution comes, think on these things, not stick heads in sand ...
about david and bathsheba, we are to conform to Jesus's image, david is an example of how we do not conform and how we fail and fail and fail, are we to imitate failure or Jesus?
what happens when you make a copy of a copy and use that to copy?
Wow GetReal, way to misrepresent what I said. My point is as Christians, we dont need to willingly defile our minds with worldly garbage. Paul gave a list of things that define what a Christian should fill his or her mind with in the verse I posted. If you dont like it take it up with God.

News Item1/13/14 5:55 PM
get real | earth  Find all comments by get real
GsTexas wrote:
Get real, your belligerent opinion has no basis in Scripture.
Philippians 4:8 "Finally brethren whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
if we were to follow your advice we would insulate ourselves in a nice hug box and would be powerless to help those whom are in dire need because we have no idea about it at all, like all the people who walked way way to the side of the road to avoid seeing the injured man, and only the "worldly" "good Samaritan" had the intestinal fortitude to look at him consider his plight and take him to an inn, no one else wanted to get their hands dirty, or eyes dirty, they looked away ...
what the apostle is saying is this, when persecution comes, think on these things, not stick heads in sand ...

about david and bathsheba, we are to conform to Jesus's image, david is an example of how we do not conform and how we fail and fail and fail, are we to imitate failure or Jesus?
what happens when you make a copy of a copy and use that to copy?


News Item1/13/14 2:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
What chauvinism! Greatest nation in history?! It is not God's chosen nation, Israel for one thing, Is the World's Problem with Israel?

Shannon, first classic literature isn't done away with, also even states have the right to demand more rigorous standards as Vermont has. Of course parents who have children in public school should always monitor what their children are being taught. Of course, this is just another insidious attack by the Right, q.v., , I suggest you read the first comment to the article and you might also look over the various articles on the Koch brothers at link at the bottom of the page.

I don't have to really defend Common Core, because it hasn't been adopted by Nebraska, though I have seen public school administrators wish to see it adopted. But, again, you can check out if the author has made any points or not. As I said, I read that Common Core standards are flexible. Oh, and I despise school vouchers, and this attack is vehicle to get those pushed.


News Item1/13/14 9:31 AM
Shannon | MI  Find all comments by Shannon
I think that it's sad what CC is doing. I do not think that classic literature should be done away with.

In regards to some of the comments on here I will say this, I do not see anything wrong with Christians reading classic literature but there's also no need for them to if it goes against their God given conscience.

Before I was saved I dove into literature and arts in a way that was dark and obsessive. It actually controlled my life and changed me. Now as a Christian my conscience tells me to be on guard when reading anything worldly. I must listen to my conscience. Do all Christians have that struggle or past? By no means!

What's my point? I do not agree with what the CC is doing. But as for us Christ followers, let's remember we must not disregard the Holy Spirit. And we also don't need to condemn those who can read literature without it affecting their walk with The Lord.


News Item1/13/14 9:10 AM
pennnny  Find all comments by pennnny
literature is used in hschooling as a way to understand the past.

CC is about erasing the past.

basic tenets to western society like journalism come from Christian influence. go ahead and try to study eastern religions, they are based on myths, its the bible that was well preserved according to God's will and purpose through His called out ones. anyone study the Dead Sea Scrolls? the bible we use today is the one they used then. we have a foundation for truth.

it amazes me to watch this generation so willing to throw our traditions away that have come from biblical influence on society, to say, "oh we don't need it"... the bible will end up being on one of those lists.... look at the list of journalists that have recently passed away, this society is closing in.

the youth are always brought into these things first, there were the Nazis throwing the books in the fire. there's little new under the sun.


News Item1/13/14 6:50 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I haven't been a fan of reading novels, science fiction, etc, since I was a kid. Strangely, by the time I was 15-16, I was "reading" the thesauraus ,memorizing word definitions, and reading, to this day, only non-fiction material; things I can learn from. More so of science and technology, and now, more bible and apologetic type material. Well, I also have a great fascination with anything on creationism. Can't say I understand some of the more technical aspects, but I look at it all as always trying to be ready for an answer.
The authors mentioned below, though I am familiar with the names, are otherwise foreign to me. Sadly (?) I have no idea what they wrote about because I was just never interested in fiction I think the last works of fiction I read around the age of 15 was the Doc Savage series and the Chronicles of Narnia before that.

News Item1/12/14 8:44 PM
GsTexas  Find all comments by GsTexas
That's the same position I hold when I comes to reading secular literature. Though I prefer the classics as they are more thought provoking. I'll also add nothing comes close to the enjoyment and edification I get from my Bible, or theology books.

News Item1/12/14 8:22 PM
Will | Mississippi  Find all comments by Will
I just don't see my most of my reading as immersing myself. I usually see it as dissection. I usually start with the premise that the authors are wrong, then cherry pick the good parts. That is why I am usually pretty harsh on characters and authors. Although, anne, you are right that some books have no good, as leavened thoroughly.
This is all to say, most of this literature isn't my first choice, and most all of "classic" lit that I've read has been assigned.

News Item1/12/14 5:57 PM
pennny  Find all comments by pennny
I like reading things that help me understand the times they lived in....

well, its communism. absolute control.

GS, it will matter, when all the children around them are good little robots to the collective, the older folks just glad they don't have to worry about it anymore, well someone's gotta care.


News Item1/12/14 5:12 PM
JSC | Illinois  Find all comments by JSC
Gs and anne

I agree, most of these author's are indentified with the enlightment which was expressly proposed to provide another world view apart from God. Reading them is the enzime that errodes the conscience and hacks away at the christian worldview in our hearts. I was a musician at one time and I had the liberal view that allowed me to be exposed to anti Christ music but when I realized how much it numbed me and dulled my senses (be sober minded doesn't just apply to alcohol) and provoked my flesh to rebellion I put it away. I can't understand such a low view of Christ that makes one want to gamble on dabbling in the world verses being ferociously one track minded so as to grieve the thought of being pulled from Christ. Why ever take that chance?

BTW I sinfully do it all the time and am grieved by my flesh


News Item1/12/14 4:25 PM
Anne | The Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Whether you agree or not makes zero difference to me - read all you want! But the "wider opinion" you will gain, I promise you, will leave you with questions and doubts unless one is substantially able to disceminate the authors world views and perceive their intent. Camus, another great example of this!

News Item1/12/14 4:23 PM
Anne | The Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Well Will, since I have read the books and authors mentioned, it follows that I wouldn't say not to read them. However (and that is a big however), at what moral price does hypocrisy cost our main character in the SL? And while Twain's disdain for racism is obvious, there are the issues of the "dumb" religious, bigoted Christians and the idea that good 'ol Huck can forge his own destiny. While from one side of our mouth we can say "keep the grain and discard the chaff", at some point you need to watch out for "the little leaven that affects the whole bread". The pitfall of submersing ourselves in "good literature" is that if the chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever, this good literature will not edify the Christian seeking to endeavor a pleasing use of time towards the Lords. Music, for example: just because John Lennon had a great voice and a gift to write lyrically well does not suddenly mean I should drag "the old man" (aka, my sin nature) through that which is not edifying toward my Savior. It isn't as though hearing it will kill me or make me less Christian, but a steady diet... Now THAT is what I am talking about.

Whether you agree or not make zero difference to me - read all you want! But the "wider opinion" you will gain, I promise you, will


News Item1/12/14 4:12 PM
GsTexas  Find all comments by GsTexas
I like to read classic literature, and i discern what I read in regards to Biblical truth. That being said, I wont call it good either (Isaiah 5:20), because most of its humanistic. Nor do I think it is necessary for Christians to read it. When we stand before the judgment seat of Christ, he will not commend us for reading Tolstoy's "War and Peace"

Luke 16:15 "...for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God."


News Item1/12/14 2:41 PM
Will | Mississippi  Find all comments by Will
Definitely did not see Anne's opinion in the Scarlet Letter.
Just because the literature is not explicitly christian doesn't make it bad. Besides well developed prose and plots, many of those books carry good themes. The danger of hypocrisy in Scarlett letter, horror of racism in Huck Finn, etc; No reason we can't keep the grain and discard the chaff on the famous literature.

News Item1/12/14 1:46 PM
PS | USA  Find all comments by PS
It only proves that God's testimony of mankind is absolutely true!

News Item1/12/14 1:42 PM
PS | USA  Find all comments by PS
He has it in writing , in they're very own words and we wonder why God Laughs!!!!
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