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FRONT PAGE  |  2/8/2016
TUESDAY, JAN 7, 2014  |  16 comments  |  1 commentary
Atheist Church Splits
Three members of the New York cohort apparently broke away and formed their own group called the Godless Revival, with founder Lee Moore accusing The Sunday Assembly of having “a real problem with atheism.”

The central claim on the part of the breakaway group, as CNN noted, is that Jones told the congregation not to use the word atheism and not to have any speakers come in from the atheist community.

And rather than hosting events in a Manhattan bar, Jones reportedly wanted the atheist cohort to hold services in church-like settings.

Jones, who denied banning the word atheism, did tell CNN that he advised the group to seek out a more family friendly venue for services and that he encouraged the NYC cohort to reach out beyond the secular realm. ...


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Thomas the Doubter | Ohio  Find all comments by Thomas the Doubter
Errr... atheist " church"? How is that even possible?
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News Item1/7/14 10:00 PM
Veritas Cafe  Find all comments by Veritas Cafe
I don't believe it!!!
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News Item1/7/14 12:17 PM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
DJC 49,
Some of Nietzsche's letters were signed "the crucified one" and his sister charged people to see him at the asylum. Yet, even Nietzsche recognized the consequences from his Thus Spake Zarathustra work. That because "God is dead" we will have create "new games to play" and "light the lampposts ourselves" because we have "murdered him".
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News Item1/7/14 12:02 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
Mike wrote:
His premise was wrong, so his deep thoughts on its ramifications are wrong as well.
I full-heartedly agree, Mike! His premise IS INDEED wrong. But his logical conclusion is "correct" (according to HIS premise).

I posted the Russell quote merely to illustrate the preposterous conlusion that an atheist MUST come to if he were to think deeply about his atheistic premise.

Mike wrote:
I wonder if he believed in the existence of evil? If so, on what basis?
If Russell -- and other atheists -- are to be consistent, then they MUST posit that evil (and good) do NOT ultimately exist and it's all "The Will To Power." [See Nietzsche] Neither does rational thought or truth itself ultimately exist. It's stuff like this that drove Nietzsche MAD!
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News Item1/7/14 11:35 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
DJC49 wrote:
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One of the Fathers of Atheism, Bertrand Russell, was such a deep thinker and to his credit he proclaimed the following:
"... Man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving; his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, the whole temple of Man’s achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the débris of a universe in ruins—all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain, that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair, can the soul’s habitation henceforth be safely built."
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His premise was wrong, so his deep thoughts on its ramifications are wrong as well. I wonder if he believed in the existence of evil? If so, on what basis?
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News Item1/7/14 10:58 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
1517 wrote:
I would throw Albert Camus in the hat of honest atheists who understood his predicament. His main philosophical base was, because life does not gave real purpose or meaning, we must embrace this absurdity
Good observation; one could call this "Embrace your Inner Lunatic." It conforms well to the "blow your mind" mentality in drug culture. Concurrent with this secular trend is the neo-orthodox heresy that God is beyond human reason & unknowable. Emil Brunner: "God can speak His word to man even through false doctrine."

Whether laymen are aware of this Zeitgeist or not, I've found that many Christians today are either heedless of logic & rationality, or outright suspicious of it, wrongly assuming it's somehow impious, perhaps because past atheists like Descartes & Spinoza were classified as Rationalists.

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News Item1/7/14 10:31 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
that didn't take long, did it?
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News Item1/7/14 10:06 AM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
Sorry, I meant DJC, not DCJ.
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News Item1/7/14 10:05 AM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
DCJ 49,
Thanks for bringing up that point as well as you Russell quote. I would throw Albert Camus in the hat of honest atheists who understood his predicament. His main philosophical base was, because life does not gave real purpose or meaning, we must embrace this absurdity and "live" in spite of it's futility and without hope. Rather depressing and sad.
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News Item1/7/14 9:53 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
The average atheist's biggest problem is that he has NOT thought deeply enough about his "philosophy." He neglects thinking about the ramifications of what he believes to be truth.

One of the Fathers of Atheism, Bertrand Russell, was such a deep thinker and to his credit he proclaimed the following:

"... Man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving; his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, the whole temple of Man’s achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the débris of a universe in ruins—all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain, that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair, can the soul’s habitation henceforth be safely built."

There you go. Unyielding DESPAIR. The foundation of atheism! What a way to live!

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News Item1/7/14 9:49 AM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
I am surprised there weren't more witty posts. This is funny, and sad, to say the least. One atheist group splits off and wants to hold a more "family friendly, church like" gathering. It's having banquet without the food or drink. It's having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. It's two feet planted firmly in thin air. It's a river without a source or reservoir. It's planet of the apes, 2001, a Clockwork Orange sprinkled with It's a Wonderful Life. It's people who are cold standing around a fake fireplace expecting to get warm....that's all I have.
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News Item1/7/14 8:45 AM
Lady_Virtue | OKC  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lady_Virtue
An atheist church splits?

You cannot make this stuff up, I suppose.

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News Item1/7/14 7:50 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
That what I have always believed. The Bible says that unbelievers are "willfully ignorant" (2 Peter 3:5) so everyone knows that God exists, although they may not understand fully, so to deny Him completely is nothing less than unbridled hatred. The athiests remind me of those who will actually think they can take up arms at the great "battle" to fight against and overthrow God. Talk about being thoroughly deceived. Seems to me that I remember the most powerful of all angels, followed by a multitude of his supporters tried that once, and here, little tiny, weak, pathetic man thinks they can overthrow the God of the universe...the God who created them. The great, and a great delusion.
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News Item1/7/14 7:35 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher000 wrote:
They probably read read Freud and passages from 50 Shades of Gray. I really don't understand them and view it all as a mockery along with a diabolical way to gain tax exempt status.
Atheists really are not atheists as they believe in God but are just angry with Him and want to be their own gods.
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News Item1/7/14 7:29 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
They probably read read Freud and passages from 50 Shades of Gray. I really don't understand them and view it all as a mockery along with a diabolical way to gain tax exempt status.
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News Item1/7/14 5:19 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
What kind of church services does that Atheist Church have? They sure don't have readings from the Bible or nothing else relating to God.
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