Three members of the New York cohort apparently broke away and formed their own group called the Godless Revival, with founder Lee Moore accusing The Sunday Assembly of having â€śa real problem with atheism.â€ť
The central claim on the part of the breakaway group, as CNN noted, is that Jones told the congregation not to use the word atheism and not to have any speakers come in from the atheist community.
And rather than hosting events in a Manhattan bar, Jones reportedly wanted the atheist cohort to hold services in church-like settings.
Jones, who denied banning the word atheism, did tell CNN that he advised the group to seek out a more family friendly venue for services and that he encouraged the NYC cohort to reach out beyond the secular realm....
DJC 49, Some of Nietzsche's letters were signed "the crucified one" and his sister charged people to see him at the asylum. Yet, even Nietzsche recognized the consequences from his Thus Spake Zarathustra work. That because "God is dead" we will have create "new games to play" and "light the lampposts ourselves" because we have "murdered him".
Mike wrote: His premise was wrong, so his deep thoughts on its ramifications are wrong as well.
I full-heartedly agree, Mike! His premise IS INDEED wrong. But his logical conclusion is "correct" (according to HIS premise).
I posted the Russell quote merely to illustrate the preposterous conlusion that an atheist MUST come to if he were to think deeply about his atheistic premise.
Mike wrote: I wonder if he believed in the existence of evil? If so, on what basis?
If Russell -- and other atheists -- are to be consistent, then they MUST posit that evil (and good) do NOT ultimately exist and it's all "The Will To Power." [See Nietzsche] Neither does rational thought or truth itself ultimately exist. It's stuff like this that drove Nietzsche MAD!
1517 wrote: I would throw Albert Camus in the hat of honest atheists who understood his predicament. His main philosophical base was, because life does not gave real purpose or meaning, we must embrace this absurdity
Good observation; one could call this "Embrace your Inner Lunatic." It conforms well to the "blow your mind" mentality in drug culture. Concurrent with this secular trend is the neo-orthodox heresy that God is beyond human reason & unknowable. Emil Brunner: "God can speak His word to man even through false doctrine."
Whether laymen are aware of this Zeitgeist or not, I've found that many Christians today are either heedless of logic & rationality, or outright suspicious of it, wrongly assuming it's somehow impious, perhaps because past atheists like Descartes & Spinoza were classified as Rationalists.
DCJ 49, Thanks for bringing up that point as well as you Russell quote. I would throw Albert Camus in the hat of honest atheists who understood his predicament. His main philosophical base was, because life does not gave real purpose or meaning, we must embrace this absurdity and "live" in spite of it's futility and without hope. Rather depressing and sad.
I am surprised there weren't more witty posts. This is funny, and sad, to say the least. One atheist group splits off and wants to hold a more "family friendly, church like" gathering. It's having banquet without the food or drink. It's having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. It's two feet planted firmly in thin air. It's a river without a source or reservoir. It's planet of the apes, 2001, a Clockwork Orange sprinkled with It's a Wonderful Life. It's people who are cold standing around a fake fireplace expecting to get warm....that's all I have.
That what I have always believed. The Bible says that unbelievers are "willfully ignorant" (2 Peter 3:5) so everyone knows that God exists, although they may not understand fully, so to deny Him completely is nothing less than unbridled hatred. The athiests remind me of those who will actually think they can take up arms at the great "battle" to fight against and overthrow God. Talk about being thoroughly deceived. Seems to me that I remember the most powerful of all angels, followed by a multitude of his supporters tried that once, and here, little tiny, weak, pathetic man thinks they can overthrow the God of the universe...the God who created them. The great, and a great delusion.
Christopher000 wrote: They probably read read Freud and passages from 50 Shades of Gray. I really don't understand them and view it all as a mockery along with a diabolical way to gain tax exempt status.
Atheists really are not atheists as they believe in God but are just angry with Him and want to be their own gods.