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Harold Camping, Serial Doomsday Predictor, Dies at 92

Harold Camping, the radio preacher who famously (and incorrectly, obviously) predicted the end of the world on more than one occassion, died on Sunday from injuries suffered after a fall. Camping's Family Radio network announced his death in a late Monday statement. He was 92 years old.

Camping's fame — and his fortune — rose and fell on his ability to promote his calculations for the end of the world, often through his Family Radio broadcasts. His last big Doomsday prediction, promoted for years by the ministry, fooled thousands into abandoning their worldly possessions and devoting their lives to spreading the news that the end was due on May, 21, 2011. That day, according to camping, would be the day of Jesus's Second Coming. It wasn't, so he revised his big prediction to October 2011, a date that also fed off the coming hysteria over 2012 Mayan "prophecies." ...


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Balder | Dash  Find all comments by Balder
J Dusty wrote:
Frank; Even the Bible has suffered from all things Roman Catholic and its heresies. So if Covenant Theology has been attacked by Satan's religious soap opera the papal antichrist N.T.Wright et al, - It must have some real authenticity.
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"Until recently, it was widely held that covenant theology was created in the middle of the seventeenth century by theologians such as Johannes Cocceius (1609–1669). In fact, covenant theology is nothing more or less than the theology of the Bible. It is also the theology of the Reformed confessions. In the history of theology, the elements of what we know as covenant theology; the covenant of redemption before time between the persons of the Trinity, the covenant of works with Adam, and the covenant of grace after the fall; have existed since the early church." R.Scott Clark.
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/history-covenant-theology/
Where have we come across Mr Scott-Clark before now? Hmmm...
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News Item12/31/13 2:48 PM
J Dusty  Find all comments by J Dusty
Frank wrote:
“The New Perspective on Paul” that is championed by NT Wright, EP Sanders and James Dunn
Frank; Even the Bible has suffered from all things Roman Catholic and its heresies. So if Covenant Theology has been attacked by Satan's religious soap opera the papal antichrist N.T.Wright et al, - It must have some real authenticity.

Quote:-
"Until recently, it was widely held that covenant theology was created in the middle of the seventeenth century by theologians such as Johannes Cocceius (1609–1669). In fact, covenant theology is nothing more or less than the theology of the Bible. It is also the theology of the Reformed confessions. In the history of theology, the elements of what we know as covenant theology; the covenant of redemption before time between the persons of the Trinity, the covenant of works with Adam, and the covenant of grace after the fall; have existed since the early church." R.Scott Clark.
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/history-covenant-theology/

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News Item12/30/13 3:43 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
journey to the truth wrote:
"I truly believed that Covenant Theology and that wicked practice of infant baptism was a great evil, and I said so with a brutal confidence.
But in all this, I was in error.
This was posted earlier, but ignored.

I have never studied covenant theology, but from what I understand, I can say it is strongly intertwined in what is called “The New Perspective on Paul” that is championed by NT Wright, EP Sanders and James Dunn. I did spend quite a bit of time studying and critiquing this new perspective. I found that "this use" of covenant theology strongly supports Catholicism and definitely draws men away from personal repentance and faith in Christ. I remember listening to a sermon by Sinclair Ferguson on this issue, and was very disappointed in his reluctance to denounce it outright.

Anyway, if you ever find the time, the new perspectice on Paul is a good example of an aspect of covenant theology that has gone amuck.

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News Item12/30/13 3:31 PM
journey to the truth  Find all comments by journey to the truth
"I truly believed that Covenant Theology and that wicked practice of infant baptism was a great evil, and I said so with a brutal confidence.

But in all this, I was in error.

I have retracted and recanted the “Baptist” position against Covenant Theology and Infant Baptism. There are good and valid reasons why this is so. It is not that I went looking to change my entire theological outlook on this issue from a newly renovated covenantal perspective. It was not that I was reading Owen or Edwards on the subject once again, and that sparked my thoughts. In all honesty, and with a sincere heart, I must admit that it was the Bible, and the Bible alone that changed my outlook on this. I know the next couple of paragraphs are going to be very difficult for my Baptist brethren to hear, but I must say, I have really, honesty and truly changed my position as a result of exegetical study and reflection."
http://www.apuritansmind.com/covenant-theology/my-retraction-a-15-year-baptist-turns-paedobaptist-and-becomes-reformed-by-dr-c-matthew-mcmahon/

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News Item12/30/13 12:51 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Frank wrote:
But, I have been following your posts and they have been a blessing to me. I appreciate your candor, which is sometimes misunderstood, and your understanding of scripture.
I second that!
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News Item12/30/13 12:34 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Thank you Frank. I've missed your posts greatly, and I hope you will have more time to post now that the festive season is petering out.
Thanks Pilgrim, I will make a renewed commitment to offer my opinions. But I can't say that the festive season has affected me; probably more old age is to blame. I am very very very retired, so I have lots of time. But, I have been following your posts and they have been a blessing to me. I appreciate your candor, which is sometimes misunderstood, and your understanding of scripture.
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News Item12/30/13 12:16 PM
Covenant Good News  Find all comments by Covenant Good News
Covenant of Grace. The "Everlasting Covenant" so recorded in Scripture by God.

When Christ came among us He changed SOME of the DETAIL of the Covenant - But did not replace the Covenant of Grace the Everlasting Covenant which GOD made with Abraham AND HIS SEED!!
"Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ"
"Abraham is dead, and the prophets are dead, but the covenant is made with Abraham and his seed. And he gives us a very surprising exposition of this. We should have thought it had been meant only of the people of the Jews. "Nay," says the apostle, "it is in the singular number, and points at a single person—that seed is Christ," So that the covenant is still in force; for Christ abideth for ever in his person, and in his spiritual seed, who are his by faith." (M.Henry)
"If the inheritance was given to Abraham by promise, and thereby entailed upon his spiritual seed, we may be sure that God would not retract that promise; for he is not a man that he should repent." (M.H.)
"Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling"
I love to acknowledge the term "sprinkling" in this verse; - Which reminds us that baptism symbolises purification in HIS Blood.

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News Item12/30/13 12:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Well said brother. Christ is either Lord and Savior or He is neither. I sort of look at it this way. When we get married, we pledge to love our spouses through whatever life circumstances may bring our way; although we have no idea what those circumstances might be. When we receive Jesus as Lord it is similar. Our hearts must say we will love and obey even though we don't understand all that might mean.
But, you said it perfectly!
Thank you Frank. I've missed your posts greatly, and I hope you will have more time to post now that the festive season is petering out.
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News Item12/30/13 11:27 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
A lot depends Lurker on whether we accept Lordship Salvation or not. If we do, then there has to be a complete submission to the authority of Christ. We place ourselves under "the law of Christ", which naturally includes the command to "love one another". It is a case of "take my yoke upon you..."
These obediences are not a requirement for justification, for as we know, Justification is through faith alone in Christ alone. But Justification without the evidence of a changed heart and new desires, godly desires, turns out a false profession. This is like the easy-believism we were debating earlier.
At the end of the day, it is God who makes the covenant of grace, it is God who implements the covenant of grace, it is God who has all the glory for anyone saved within the covenant of grace.
Well said brother. Christ is either Lord and Savior or He is neither. I sort of look at it this way. When we get married, we pledge to love our spouses through whatever life circumstances may bring our way; although we have no idea what those circumstances might be. When we receive Jesus as Lord it is similar. Our hearts must say we will love and obey even though we don't understand all that might mean.

But, you said it perfectly!

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News Item12/30/13 6:39 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
I'm sorry I was unable to clearly explain my objection to CT's COG terms "that man meet one and only one requirement before he could receive these promised blessings; namely, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ". I can only appeal to scripture and let you judge for yourself:
1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
A lot depends Lurker on whether we accept Lordship Salvation or not. If we do, then there has to be a complete submission to the authority of Christ. We place ourselves under "the law of Christ", which naturally includes the command to "love one another". It is a case of "take my yoke upon you..."

These obediences are not a requirement for justification, for as we know, Justification is through faith alone in Christ alone. But Justification without the evidence of a changed heart and new desires, godly desires, turns out a false profession. This is like the easy-believism we were debating earlier.

At the end of the day, it is God who makes the covenant of grace, it is God who implements the covenant of grace, it is God who has all the glory for anyone saved within the covenant of grace.

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News Item12/29/13 7:59 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Dear bro, yes you are confusing me.
I'm sorry I was unable to clearly explain my objection to CT's COG terms "that man meet one and only one requirement before he could receive these promised blessings; namely, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ". I can only appeal to scripture and let you judge for yourself:

1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Love of neighbor wasn't part of God's covenant made with Abraham but part of the Mosaic Law which was added 400 + years later because of transgressions. It wouldn't be so bad if it were not the fulfillment of the law, Jesus's lifetime work coupled with His love of His Father, and therefore the combined righteousness of Christ. It brings me to tears that a man's doctrine can literally wipe out half of Christ's finished work. He came to fulfill both covenants, not destroy.

Since Presby has ignored my comments and 1517 has opted out, I'll end my comments.

I pray that your search to once again be instrumental in open air preaching is fruitful as I know that is your heart's desire. And if your heart is there it follows that God set the desire in your heart.

Godspeed, brother.

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News Item12/29/13 5:22 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
New Not Replaced wrote:
Christ is the Mediator of the same Covenant of Grace - ie of God - as both Abraham and the TRUE Christian today.
The Old Testament and the New Testament are both part of the same Covenant of Grace - Just as they are under the same Mediator.
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant ....
The actual parts of the Covenant of Grace which are "new" due to the resurrection of Christ Jesus are .....
Heb 8:1 ...
Also Baptism has replaced circumcision and communion replaced the Passover.
You read but have absolutely no understanding. Why is it your understanding is so dull?!

Don't you know that Scripture is spiritually discerned and that's why YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!

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News Item12/29/13 5:19 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Hey bro John,
...
The terms of the "Covenant of Grace, as explained by two different sources, makes no mention of the righteousness of the Levitical Law to love one another (1 John 3:23).
Dear bro, yes you are confusing me.

This "love one another" thing. In reality, for a Christian, I find it here:

Jesus said:

John 5:24 KJV
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

How do we know we have passed from death unto life?

1 John 3:14-15 KJV
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

The JW's try to gain eternal life by their works, saying that this proves their faith.

However, I say that saving faith has a radical effect inwardly - the nature is changed. A man is a new creature in Christ. He loves his new brethren and sisters because of nature, not because of law. He may need to be reminded of the case, but his love is the fruit of the Spirit in his soul.

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News Item12/29/13 3:28 PM
New Not Replaced  Find all comments by New Not Replaced
Lurker wrote:
covenant of grace?
Christ is the Mediator of the same Covenant of Grace - ie of God - as both Abraham and the TRUE Christian today.

The Old Testament and the New Testament are both part of the same Covenant of Grace - Just as they are under the same Mediator.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant ....

The actual parts of the Covenant of Grace which are "new" due to the resurrection of Christ Jesus are .....
Heb 8:1 ... We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Also Baptism has replaced circumcision and communion replaced the Passover.

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News Item12/29/13 2:01 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Hey bro John,

I've been contemplating your post for a couple hours and suspect that I've caused more confusion in your mind than clarity. I'll try to explain my point so bear with me.

That Jesus came as both the covenant of faith (Zion) and works (Sinai) in a mortal body and ascended to the Father as the new immortal, eternal covenant is readily established by scripture (Gal 4:4, Is 42:6).

That Jesus fulfilled both covenants (He loved His Father and He loved all His brethren the Father gave Him) is also clear from scripture.

When Jesus submitted to the cross, He effectively and eternally took that out of the way which was against us, nailing it to the cross (Col 2:14). The veil (His flesh) which prevented access to the holiest of holies and the throne of grace was rent (Heb 10:19-20) and He became our forerunner. Clearly, the fulfillment of the Levitical Law (love your neighbor as youself (Lev 19:18, cf. Gal 5:14) was never against us but in fact is the righteousness of the Levitical Law which is owned by Jesus and imputed to all who are in Him.... that is, all who are in the New/better Covenant.

The terms of the "Covenant of Grace, as explained by two different sources, makes no mention of the righteousness of the Levitical Law to love one another (1 John 3:23).

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News Item12/29/13 11:19 AM
almost there  Find all comments by almost there
"All your anxiety to flee from hell will do you no good if you are only "ALMOST" Christian. You have trembled much and wept much and prayed much for your soul. Still if you are not brought to Jesus Christ, it is all in vain. If you were swimming for your life - if you had breasted many a dashing wave and were now close to shore, just within reach of the rock - still, if you did not stretch out your hand to clasp the rock, you would be drowned; all your former pains and labours would be in vain. A man may drown within reach of the rock just as well as a thousand miles out to sea. So, after all your anxiety, hearing, praying and tears, you may perish where you are, just as surely as those who are out of sight of God."

"Do not be content with half-work! Do not be sluggish in seeking converting grace! There is hope for every one of you. I would to God that all who are hearing me this day were both almost and altogether such as Paul was except his bonds."! (Almost a Christian. By R.M.M'Cheyne)

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News Item12/29/13 6:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Galatians 3:2-11 KJV
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

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News Item12/29/13 12:47 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
I've been asking for the terms and reward of this so called covenant of grace...... no answer. So I went searching:

"In time God revealed to man the plan whereby man could be saved. This plan as conceived in eternity and revealed in time contained three elements. He gave to man certain promises. He revealed that the blessings of these promises could be received only upon the basis of the work of his Son, the great Mediator of the covenant of grace; he then demanded that man meet one and only one requirement before he could receive these promised blessings; namely, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ." (http://www.opc.org/cce/covenant.html)

"The believer's responsibility is to have faith in the work of Christ (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9), a righteousness derived in the New Testament times by faith, just as it was in the Old Testament times (Rom. 4:1-11)." (http://carm.org/questions-covenant-grace)

There you have it.... "Faith in Jesus." But John wrote....

1Jo 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

God commanded both of the great commandments; the first published in the Zion covenant (Deut 6:5) and the latter in the Sinai covenant (Lev 19:18).

Whom shall we believe?

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News Item12/28/13 10:51 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
II Corinthians 3:7-18 (KJV) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; WHICH GLORY WAS TO BE DONE AWAY How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. FOR IF THAT WHICH IS DONE AWAY WAS GLORIOUS, much more THAT WHICH REMAINETH is glorious Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look TO THE END OF THAT WHICH IS ABOLISHED: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

see also Acts 21:24&25

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News Item12/28/13 10:07 PM
Dylan | Leaving Babylon  Find all comments by Dylan
False prophets never shut up until they are dead, that is their legacy all through human history. Untold souls turned away from God or blasphemed Him directly because of this shameless unrepentant self deluded heretic and I feel nothing for his death.
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2 Sam 12:14

Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme

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Rom 2:24

For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

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