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FRONT PAGE  |  12/28/2014
SATURDAY, DEC 14, 2013  |  51 comments
1 in 6 Who Drink Raw Milk Gets Sick?

On average, one in six people who drink raw milk becomes ill with bacterial or parasite infections, according to researchers at the Minnesota Department of Health.

The researchers found 530 laboratory-confirmed cases of infections — including bacterial infections from Salmonella, E. coli and Campylobacter, as well as parasitic infections called cryptosporidiosis — among Minnesota patients who reported drinking raw milk between 2001 and 2010. Raw milk is milk that has not been pasteurized (heated to kill germs and then cooled quickly).

The researchers noted that their study is limited in several ways by the data available to them. They said the sporadic cases of infection that occurred in people who had recently consumed raw milk could not be definitely linked with the milk. (For example, some may have become sick through their contact with cattle.) ...


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News Item12/10/14 6:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ups, this child must have been the 6th person to drink this type of milk then?
Dr Rosemary Lester wrote:
...the movement out there that people think that something raw is wholesome and better for you, which is clearly not the case,
excerpt from, Raw milk: 3yo child dies after drinking unpasteurised milk in Victoria.
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News Item7/5/14 1:56 PM
Unprofitable Servant  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why, Neil being the 4th of July weekend, I'll do just that, USA Today doesn't find raw milk and some other raw items so amusing, however. 3 things food safety experts never eat. Bon appétit
pretty simple, just don't be the 6th person to drink it and you should be fine
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News Item7/5/14 1:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why, Neil being the 4th of July weekend, I'll do just that, USA Today doesn't find raw milk and some other raw items so amusing, however. 3 things food safety experts never eat. Bon appétit
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News Item6/4/14 2:54 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, gentlemen, at least Israel give warnings about raw milk,
Jim, I think you've gone round the bend on Israel. Why do you think I should care about their cows or health bureaus?

BTW, raw milk isn't sold roadside where I live, it's sold in certain stores, so that's yet another non sequitur on your part. Keep 'em coming Jim, it's amusing by now.

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News Item6/4/14 1:27 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, gentlemen, at least Israel give warnings about raw milk, good advice even if your roadside purchases are in the USA and not Israel. Beware of dangerous bacteria from unpasteurized milk products .
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News Item3/16/14 8:00 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Then we have the fear factor, promoted by Washington based experts in everything that has to do with anything, so as to maintain their occupation: keeping you safe from the dangers, real or imagined, of which we are constantly reminded.
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News Item3/16/14 6:12 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Neil, now, I acquired a taste for buttermilk, but not for drinking it eight days straight. Also, if something is making you sick for 8 days, I would say that it is unhealthy for you.
So why should I believe your sample-of-one experience is definitive? It seems you are more inclined to make hasty generalizations than the researchers you cite!

You're just as irrationally dogmatic as the semi-informed natural-food Pharisees who infest these forums. Re your final URL, tainted fruits & vegetables have made people sick too, but I haven't heard anyone call for shunning or pre-cooking these.

As I said before, eat the food that agrees with you, but don't go around pontificating on things we really know little about.

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News Item3/16/14 5:04 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
only Japan?

"A Time Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W_lLhBt8Vg

I'm watching it right now, and we are up to 1963 with over 600 already, wow!

but raw milk, they say, should be your concern. every child, until formula, grew up on raw milk.

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News Item3/16/14 4:51 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, now, I acquired a taste for buttermilk, but not for drinking it eight days straight. Also, if something is making you sick for 8 days, I would say that it is unhealthy for you. As the article pointed out it still rejects the idea of raw milk for children.

I really don't know if they checked to see if the milk was A1 or A2 composition, q.v., You're Drinking the Wrong Kind of Milk.

I can tell you an overdose of pepper in food or just one case food poisoning by fish, in either case you will not have to have it happen eight times to know, you don't want to happen even once.

So, that comment in the article about having only 8 days to adjust didn't like a reason to reject the research.

I may have had this before, but it was probably from the CDC, but this is from the FDA, and I think this article should be paid attention to, The Dangers of Raw Milk: Unpasteurized Milk Can Pose a Serious Health Risk

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News Item3/16/14 12:54 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Mike wrote:
"…They said the sporadic cases of infection that occurred in people who had recently consumed raw milk could not be definitely linked with the milk."
That Achille's Heel of empirical science: causality.

I say if raw milk does a body good (& one can afford it), great, but I'm not going to claim it makes a difference for everyone. Circumstantially, many folks already have lived a good long time w/o it. And I would stay away from any Christian who gets dogmatic over doubtful, tertiary matters like this, pro or con; there is enough dividing us already.

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News Item3/16/14 12:43 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
From the news:
"The researchers noted that their study is limited in several ways by the data available to them. They said the sporadic cases of infection that occurred in people who had recently consumed raw milk could not be definitely linked with the milk."

Ok then.

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News Item3/16/14 12:04 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Small study says raw milk no help for lactose intolerance.
Fatal closing caveat: “It’s also conceivable that people need to adjust to raw milk and eight days was not enough, they said. Additional work should be done to test that idea …”

In other words, the study is meaningless because it didn't cover all imagined (let alone unimagined) test conditions.

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News Item3/16/14 5:57 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item12/22/13 1:45 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Neil, since the food doesn't decompose, if we eat it, we'll live forever.
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News Item12/21/13 9:28 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
penny wrote:
John UK --do you all have twinkies or other bomb proof foods?
Official sources say Twinkies™ are supposed to have a shelf life of 45 days, up from 26 days before. Like other snack foods, they're OK so long as one doesn't make them a habit.

Many traditional foods are the result of attempts to preserve them, like pickles, corned beef, cheese, & sausage. Once you harvested food back in the pre-industrial era, you either ate it, fed it to your animals, preserved it via canning, smoking, pickling, etc., or let it rot.

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News Item12/21/13 6:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
penny wrote:
John UK --do you all have twinkies or other bomb proof foods?
No, we don't have twinkies here in the UK, Penny. I didn't even know what they were until I checked on Wiki.

Mrs Wittman gave me a recipe for healthy cookies, but I couldn't understand the recipe, so I've never made any yet.

Foods in the UK ought to change their name to something else. The larger supermarkets are selling stuff which could be described as synthetic - not normal. Virtually all artist's paints are now synthetic - not natural.

What was the question?

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News Item12/21/13 6:33 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
John UK --do you all have twinkies or other bomb proof foods?
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News Item12/21/13 3:55 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
penny wrote:
John UK -- they say twinkies would survive any of these scenarios.
Penny, do you mean bomb-proof or GM-proof twinkies?
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News Item12/21/13 3:47 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
John UK -- they say twinkies would survive any of these scenarios.
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News Item12/21/13 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Hmm, SF, God didn't make wine did he? It isn't condemned in moderate amounts, even Christ made wine! ohn 2:3-10. God did not give men gills or wings, but man has swam and flown, usually to his benefit. So, no, SF in this particular case your comment doesn't hold water.

Penny, Japan for a country that has been the only country, so far, to bombed by nuclear weapons and for a nation that needs nuclear power, they have shown a sloppiness in handling nuclear power that would amaze any U.S. official. They're some fault in their society (Yes, it would sure help if they were Christian, but that's not the point I'm making now), but the U.S. nor Western Europe has had the problems Japan has had with nuclear energy, and all of it due to human sloppiness.

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