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Michigan Bans Abortion Coverage in 'Obamacare'

Michigan's legislature passed a bill Wednesday banning the Affordable Healthcare Act's (ACA), or "Obamacare's," exchanges from covering abortions.

The ban comes a year after Michigan's Republican Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed a similar measure in 2012. Despite the veto, pro-life advocates collected more than 315,000 signatures, pushing the measure once again before legislators and will become law without Snyder's signature.

Under Michigan's constitution, voters can petition lawmakers to resurrect a bill the governor had vetoed and vote it into law without his signature. ...


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Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Michael.
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News Item12/16/13 8:54 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
SteveR wrote:
Ive read the Catholic Catechism, while I wouldnt agree with it it certainly is Christian.
SteveR
Fertilizer!

It is NOT Christian to claim those who profess faith in Jesus Christ as God Incarnate in human fless worship the same false god of the Muslims who has no Son, etc. etc.

From Catechism of the Catholic Church
Officially Approved by Pope John Paul II

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

If the RCC cannot/refuses to get it right/truthful on who God and Jesus Christ really are (hint: in no way Allah) then it is impossible for them to be genuine Christians in this false teaching, kind of like Mormons who are often famous for having humanly speaking loving families does not undo their having a false Jesus, to them the spirit brother of Lucifer.

So you might want to consider honestly and soberly and repent of bearing false witness regarding Roman Catholicism

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News Item12/16/13 8:02 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
SteveR Wrote:
Ive read the Catholic Catechism, while I wouldnt agree with it it certainly is Christian.

Remember this is the message board where suicide & abortion is less of a divine crime than Catholicism.

That is just dumb blind hatred of the ELECT

You have a serious comprehension problem if these are your true thoughts.

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News Item12/15/13 9:48 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
SteveR wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.......
That is just dumb blind hatred of the ELECT
Firstly it is not a hatred of the people but the false belief system.

Secondly, the elect are not elect as Roman Catholics, but as sinners who will be saved by Grace through faith alone in the merits of Christ. Romanist doctrine fails at every hurdle and is therefore incapable of saving anyone BUT it does damn plenty!

But hey, why am I telling you this when I know your a Jesuit come here to propagate error? It's not for your sake but the sake of the ignorant that you're trying to send to hell.

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News Item12/15/13 9:17 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
SteveR wrote:
.. If Gods GRACE can be extended to the gentiles, certainly Catholics can be saved. ..
SteveR, you know you are distorting the positions of the people who post here. NO ONE has said Catholics cannot be saved. In fact, we are all FOR Catholics being saved. Thus, you have many former Roman Catholics posting on this board. Without exception, no one who states they were saved while being a Catholic says they were saved IN the RCC. John Y still practices the RCC way of salvation, he has no plans to stop. You say you are reformed, I offer you some Reformers thinking on Catholicism.

J C Ryle said,
Romanism in perfection is a gigantic system of Church-worship,Sacrament-worship,Mary-worship
image-worship
in one word, a huge organized idolatry
idolatry has decidedly manifested itself in the visible Church of Christ and nowhere so decidedly as in the Church of Rome

Spurgeon
http://www.spurgeon.org/s_and_t/relrome.htm

Hodge
http://tinyurl.com/kzoh8ef

In fact I would challenge you to find a Reform theologian who agrees with your position.

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News Item12/15/13 8:12 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
GsTexas wrote:
SteveR writes:
Its stunning to witness self righteous professing Christians diss Rome and embrace abortions at the same time
Is it not just as absurd for a Christian to denounce abortion, yet support Catholicism? Seeing as how Catholic doctrine is full of damnable heresies I don't see how one is worse than the other.
I had the priviledge and BLESSING of understanding Scripture outside of the Protestant Catholic wars. Anti denominational bias didnt influence my faith, a FAITH Given to me by GOD(Thus my REFORMED position). The damnable heresy of hating & killing one another without repentance plagued and still plagues both sides albeit the would be killers can only have the ability to kill in their hearts. Ive read the Catholic Catechism, while I wouldnt agree with it it certainly is Christian. If Gods GRACE can be extended to the gentiles, certainly Catholics can be saved. Remember this is the message board where suicide & abortion is less of a divine crime than Catholicism.

That is just dumb blind hatred of the ELECT

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News Item12/15/13 1:26 AM
GsTexas | Texas  Find all comments by GsTexas
SteveR writes:
Its stunning to witness self righteous professing Christians diss Rome and embrace abortions at the same time

Is it not just as absurd for a Christian to denounce abortion, yet support Catholicism? Seeing as how Catholic doctrine is full of damnable heresies I don't see how one is worse than the other.

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News Item12/14/13 4:55 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I will complain about Romish health institutions in that they expect federal funding and they will give a Romish twist to the help--but in many cases they are giving help, so kudos for that, since it appears in many places they are the only game in town.
There are going to be abortions crude or sophisticated no matter what Mike, and I would really think in the same numbers except when Christians do some positive to support the organizations such as above and apparently you support some crisis centers, but the only help that is really is help is when to realize The Inadequacy of Moralism
Its stunning to witness self righteous professing Christians diss Rome and embrace abortions at the same time

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him

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News Item12/14/13 4:24 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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There are going to be abortions crude or sophisticated no matter what Mike, and I would really think in the same numbers except when Christians do some positive to support the organizations such as above and apparently you support some crisis centers, but the only help that is really is help is when to realize The Inadequacy of Moralism
Yawn. There are going to be abortions anyway, so blah blah blah moralism is inadequate yawn yawn which has nothing to do with your support of aborions indirectly through govt funding of them whether you like it or not or whether you think Obamacare won't be supporting Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is all out for Obamacare. Why? Go to their website and see for yourself, and do less theory talking. Think with a Christian brain, instead of a political one.
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News Item12/14/13 3:51 PM
pennny  Find all comments by pennny
Jim, I suppose halacha would matter to us if we were followers of the Talmud
(of course we would have to renounce Christ to do so) --

are you in agreement then that Jesus is not the Christ and that the unborn do not have personhood?

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News Item12/14/13 3:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Depending whose running those Crisis pregnancy centers, you might be surprised how government funding might sneak in. GOPcare, which Obamacare actually is, isn't funding abortions in what is it? 31 or more states? So, now's the time to really embrace it! As I pointed out, BirthrightInternational--Philosophy doesn't support abortions, and apparently isn't Romish either. I will complain about Romish health institutions in that they expect federal funding and they will give a Romish twist to the help--but in many cases they are giving help, so kudos for that, since it appears in many places they are the only game in town.

There are going to be abortions crude or sophisticated no matter what Mike, and I would really think in the same numbers except when Christians do some positive to support the organizations such as above and apparently you support some crisis centers, but the only help that is really is help is when to realize The Inadequacy of Moralism

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News Item12/13/13 7:01 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Christians of course can support such organizations as BirthrightInternational--Philosophy to help women through difficult times, to avoid abortions entirely. One would hope that Michigan helps fund Crisis pregnancy centers? This article points out a few problems with them, one that it doesn't that some may also be tied in with the Romish Church,
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Of course if it might raise taxes, the GOP would be against it, wouldn't they Mike?
Not to worry, Jim. I don't much care what the GOP does. It's the idiots of the Demogogue Party you should be more concerned about anyway.

Oh, the crisis pregnancy centers in this area are privately funded, lots of volunteer work and donations, not govt funded. That's why they actually work. Christians can support them with clear conscience. You go ahead and continue to support Obysmal care and it's crony Planned Parenthood. (Sorry, you can only separate them in your mind, not in reality)

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News Item12/13/13 6:57 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
IS the organization Jim says Christians should support government funded?? Nooo. Is it a government initiative??? noo. How in the world did they get started???? More than likely those greedy people you like to deride funded it. Jim, it is NOT the government (taxpayers) responsibility to provide crisis pregnancy centers. Seeing that over 99% of abortions are not due to rape or incest, the burden lies on the women to be responsible.
If a guy lights a fire in his living room and ends up burning down his house, do you think the taxpayers should fund his irresponsibility? If someone over fertilizes their lawn and it kills all the grass, should we pay for their irresponsibility?
We, conservatives are all FOR crisis pregnancy centers, it is the liberal democrats that hate them. Their goal is abortion.
ACA is a bad idea, it is proving that more and more everyday and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Oh my,you went and used the "R" word,don't you know that is only for certain people charged with the responsibility of following behind other people and cleaning up the mess they make of their lives....doesn't the bible say that whatever a woman sows that shall her neighbor also reap or something like that.
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News Item12/13/13 4:45 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
IS the organization Jim says Christians should support government funded?? Nooo. Is it a government initiative??? noo. How in the world did they get started???? More than likely those greedy people you like to deride funded it. Jim, it is NOT the government (taxpayers) responsibility to provide crisis pregnancy centers. Seeing that over 99% of abortions are not due to rape or incest, the burden lies on the women to be responsible.

If a guy lights a fire in his living room and ends up burning down his house, do you think the taxpayers should fund his irresponsibility? If someone over fertilizes their lawn and it kills all the grass, should we pay for their irresponsibility?

We, conservatives are all FOR crisis pregnancy centers, it is the liberal democrats that hate them. Their goal is abortion.

ACA is a bad idea, it is proving that more and more everyday and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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News Item12/13/13 3:22 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Jim, I suppose halacha would matter to us if we were followers of the Talmud (of course we would have to renounce Christ to do so) --

scripture teaches that life begins at conception, that is, if the bible is our source of teaching, however, if Christ is an embarrassment, the whole idea of living righteously falls apart, doesn't it?

(and of course freemasonry would also remind us that Babylonian religions are a good thing, and that all these roads lead to some good place)

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News Item12/13/13 2:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Because as this article and others point out Mike of N.Y., and by the way, while Mich. has a GOP (Greedy Old Party) majority in both their house and senate, it was a GOP Gov., who vetoed it the first time, it's quite legal for states to ban abortion coverage from the ACA, so great!!!

You will be happy to note that the Jews, who had a much longer time to think about abortion, are as equally perplexed as many Christians are when it comes to Abortion and Halacha

Christians of course can support such organizations as BirthrightInternational--Philosophy to help women through difficult times, to avoid abortions entirely. One would hope that Michigan helps fund Crisis pregnancy centers? This article points out a few problems with them, one that it doesn't that some may also be tied in with the Romish Church, Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion? -- No.. Of course if it might raise taxes, the GOP would be against it, wouldn't they Mike?

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News Item12/13/13 12:22 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
That this should happen in liberal Michigan says much more than the obvious. I wonder what Jim/Lincoln might say on this seditious attack on Obysmalcare.
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News Item12/13/13 11:53 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
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