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Should Christian Colleges Encourage Students to Marry Each Other?

The stereotypes of "ring by spring" and the "MRS degree" are proving true—at least at Christian colleges. According to Facebook's data science team, of the top 12 schools offering both men and women the best "chance of finding a spouse," 11 are Christian. (Council for Christian Colleges and Universities members include Dordt College, Oklahoma Christian University, and Kentucky Christian University.)

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News Item12/15/13 8:44 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Observer wrote:
I'll PM you tomorrow bro.
OK. Thanks.
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News Item12/15/13 3:12 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Lurker wrote:
Do you have a link to what you mentioned about Patrick Fairbairn? I would sure like to read what he had to say.
Thanks.
I'll PM you tomorrow bro.
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News Item12/15/13 2:25 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Observer wrote:
Lurker bro
Indeed! Thank you for the link!
On the matter that you sent through I'm still cogitating. We definitely agree on the hermeneutic principles underlying the interpretation of prophecy These were ably expounded by a certain Patrick Fairbairn. The rest is still being weighed in the balance.
Do you have a link to what you mentioned about Patrick Fairbairn? I would sure like to read what he had to say.

Thanks.

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News Item12/15/13 1:57 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
information from the Brits?? We will have to ask John UK if that is reliable
Why, UPS! Do you doubt me or the Britannica?

FYI, The Encyclopaedia Britannica since its first appearance in the 18th century became the standard reference work and continued to be so till the early 20th century. I expect that the modern versions have all capitulated to modern theories and so I would not trust them. Many of the earlier versions I believe are freely obtainable at Google Books.

You should check them out.

Lurker bro

Indeed! Thank you for the link!

On the matter that you sent through I'm still cogitating. We definitely agree on the hermeneutic principles underlying the interpretation of prophecy These were ably expounded by a certain Patrick Fairbairn. The rest is still being weighed in the balance.

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News Item12/15/13 12:48 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Observer wrote:
Lurker bro, I've also read that link, and I have to say that it is excellent! I have book marked the site to read the other articles also.
Of course the contemporary Baptists in Britain already held to the same as the Pilgrims!
Glad to hear it , bro.

I generally don't like labels but the Pilgrim/Puritan labels are so descriptive as we see almost daily on this forum between the Baptists and Presbys.

Blessings.

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News Item12/15/13 6:41 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Mike wrote:
Nah. A seminary is a place where people go.
See! I said you're an intelligent man.

Lurker bro, I've also read that link, and I have to say that it is excellent! I have book marked the site to read the other articles also.

Of course the contemporary Baptists in Britain already held to the same as the Pilgrims!

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News Item12/14/13 10:29 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
The article was great. , thanks Luker. It did seem to leave out that those same Puritans founded Harvard to train their ministers.
Glad you liked the article, bro. It does a great job of explaining and demonstrating the two divergent paths Christians walked after the Reformation.
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News Item12/13/13 2:40 PM
Ktl  Find all comments by Ktl
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
information from the Brits?? We will have to ask John UK if that is reliable
"Harvard’s history began when a college was established at New Towne, which was later renamed Cambridge for the English alma mater of some of the leading colonists. Classes began in the summer of 1638 with one master in a single frame house and a “college yard.” Harvard was named for a Puritan minister, John Harvard, who left the college his books and half of his estate.

At its inception Harvard was under church sponsorship, although it was not formally affiliated with any religious body. During its first two centuries the college was gradually liberated, first from clerical and later from political control, until in 1865 the university alumni began electing members of the governing board. During his long tenure as Harvard’s president (1869–1909), Charles W. Eliot made Harvard into an institution with national influence."
Britannica on Harvard

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News Item12/13/13 1:24 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
information from the Brits?? We will have to ask John UK if that is reliable
Absolutely brother US. Well, most of the time.
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News Item12/13/13 12:31 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Observer wrote:
Hi Penny
I don't think on this thread anyone is arguing against education. The question is who educates and what sort of education.
Should stand alone seminaries educate, or is it the responsibility of the local churches? Do we need a purely academic education, or should it be a spiritual education, the aim of which is not to obtain a piece of paper vouchsafing one's cranial ability to digest and regurgitate, but one which entrusts truth into the hands of faithful men who will faithfully use it to equip the saints for ministry and commit it to other faithful men?
And BTW there's nothing wrong with an education based on commentaries, provided it is the right commentaries!
Bro Lurker - just caught your comment. I will check out the link, thanks.
UPS - from Britannica, "At its inception Harvard was under church sponsorship..."!
information from the Brits?? We will have to ask John UK if that is reliable
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News Item12/13/13 12:18 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
our culture does not appreciate the learned man who pours his heart and soul into the things of God. should be honored. its great to have local pastors train others, if that opportunity is given by the Lord, but I hope we respect the value of the academic man who has poured his life into a work that needs to be heard..... how many have investigated such things as the freemasonry influence on the church, and so many are offended, its never heard? years of work not heard and excuses made about how we are just out to give the gospel (in other words, nothing controversial -- did Paul shirk from the controversial or dive headlong into it and bring everything into the context of Messiah?). God has created a full and diverse gifting for the preservation of the word, but in the local stores I see blingy pink bibles and cartoon drawings, what a nightmare! young people enjoy studying the pyramids, the crazy stories of embalming the dead for eternal life -- understanding of what came before us, the idols, the world around us, helps us have discernment for today.

western society used to value history, journalism, rule of law, cycles of nature and the provision of God, we throw all that out, and the gospel becomes a form of marketing.

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News Item12/13/13 12:16 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Observer wrote:
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Maybe you think that the terms "church" and "seminary" are now interchangeable, eh?
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Nah. A seminary is a place where people go.
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News Item12/13/13 12:06 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
penny wrote:
I am meeting people with two extremes generally.
one -- confidence in the degrees. often forcing pastors to get higher degrees to show on paper what they've already learned.
two -- total rejection of higher education, and then thinking "commentaries" are sufficient
I think this reflects changes in society where middle class is being eliminated.
Our culture really doesnt appreciate the honourable profession as much as it should. Fine men are called to the profession, some to seminary, some from their Church and others out of the world. However too many find themselves trivialized by society, sometimes by their own congregations. Look at this board too, its sad because its fried pastor too often for lunch.
The LORD has BLESSED my congregation with an excellent Pastor, and our congregation holds him in constant prayer. That prayer makes an enormous difference.
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News Item12/13/13 11:04 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Mike wrote:
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When you say it is "the responsibility of the local church" to educate, how does that pan out in practical terms? Who in the church decides which men are faithful, and who entrusts truth into their hands to faithfully use it to equip the saints?..
Paul speaks of Christ sending teaching gifts to the churches, ‘For the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, ‘til we all come to the unity of the faith and to the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect [or ‘mature’] man…..that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine by the trickery of men’ (Eph 4:12-14).

Maybe you think that the terms "church" and "seminary" are now interchangeable, eh?

What happened in NT times? Those poor folk were so handicapped by not having seminaries. Don't you just feel for them!

You're an intelligent man Mike. Do you suppose that the churches cannot organize a syllabus to meet the needs of an aspiring minister, or even recognize one?

The difference between a church and stand alone seminary is not the class of sinners, but over who Christ authorizes to teach and promulgate his truth.

1 Tim 3.15 The **Church** is the Pillar and Ground of

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News Item12/13/13 10:37 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Observer wrote:
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Should stand alone seminaries educate, or is it the responsibility of the local churches? Do we need a purely academic education, or should it be a spiritual education, the aim of which is not to obtain a piece of paper vouchsafing one's cranial ability to digest and regurgitate, but one which entrusts truth into the hands of faithful men who will faithfully use it to equip the saints for ministry and commit it to other faithful men?
And BTW there's nothing wrong with an education based on commentaries, provided it is the right commentaries!
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Naturally every local congregation will happily decide that.

When you say it is "the responsibility of the local church" to educate, how does that pan out in practical terms? Who in the church decides which men are faithful, and who entrusts truth into their hands to faithfully use it to equip the saints?

If stand alone seminaries are bad because they are not associated with a church, why are stand alone churches better? Different breed of sinners?

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News Item12/13/13 10:23 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
penny wrote:
I am meeting people with two extremes generally.
one -- confidence in the degrees. often forcing pastors to get higher degrees to show on paper what they've already learned.
two -- total rejection of higher education, and then thinking "commentaries" are sufficient
......
Hi Penny

I don't think on this thread anyone is arguing against education. The question is who educates and what sort of education.

Should stand alone seminaries educate, or is it the responsibility of the local churches? Do we need a purely academic education, or should it be a spiritual education, the aim of which is not to obtain a piece of paper vouchsafing one's cranial ability to digest and regurgitate, but one which entrusts truth into the hands of faithful men who will faithfully use it to equip the saints for ministry and commit it to other faithful men?

And BTW there's nothing wrong with an education based on commentaries, provided it is the right commentaries!

Bro Lurker - just caught your comment. I will check out the link, thanks.

UPS - from Britannica, "At its inception Harvard was under church sponsorship..."!

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News Item12/13/13 10:18 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Lurker wrote:
Agree completely, brother.
I trace my resistance to organized religion back to my deeply rooted conviction that we are strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Where the Puritans which emerged from the reformation worked to reform and purify the ungodly RC machinery (like putting lipstick on a hog) for their own and cling to the doctrines which eminated from Geneva; I cast my lot with the Pilgrims who cling to the free from the dictates of church and state bible which first emanated from Geneva.... the crown jewel of God's work 450 years ago, IMO.
Here is an excellent link if you've never read it.
Blessings, bro
The article was great. , thanks Luker. It did seem to leave out that those same Puritans founded Harvard to train their ministers.
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News Item12/13/13 10:10 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
I am meeting people with two extremes generally.

one -- confidence in the degrees. often forcing pastors to get higher degrees to show on paper what they've already learned.

two -- total rejection of higher education, and then thinking "commentaries" are sufficient

I think this reflects changes in society where middle class is being eliminated. (the spiritual reasons I'm sure the gentlemen here are dealing with) some churches (mega types) tend to still teach prosperity gospel and identify their spiritual success with their money.

Many have left churches have floated from one failing "purpose driven" church to the next, difficulty finding work and see the hardships and want nothing of the CEO corporation church, and relate to the unstructured church (invisible church).

As the next generation reorganizes, I would hope that we don't turn to the "storytelling" method of some missions, where after a few stories are told the people are left with a literate - less teaching which can easily turn apostate, rather quickly.

the idea of strong local churches training up the next generation sounds good to me, I'm sure there's other ideas, but to throw away scholarship of the Word of God really means we are leaving the legacy of the church to other nations.

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News Item12/13/13 8:53 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Observer wrote:
Hey bro Lurker. Good to see you here still. Trust that The Lord is still prospering your soul.
Your comment about seminaries is spot on!
The moment that these establishments became stand alone institutions, separate from the churches, they went astray. Thankfully not all seminaries are that way even now and for the few that are still attached to a local church I give hearty thanks to The Lord. But still, I believe the NT pattern is for Pastors to train up faithful men within the context of the church, not a para-church organisation.
Blessings bro to you and yours.
Agree completely, brother.

I trace my resistance to organized religion back to my deeply rooted conviction that we are strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Where the Puritans which emerged from the reformation worked to reform and purify the ungodly RC machinery (like putting lipstick on a hog) for their own and cling to the doctrines which eminated from Geneva; I cast my lot with the Pilgrims who cling to the free from the dictates of church and state bible which first emanated from Geneva.... the crown jewel of God's work 450 years ago, IMO.

Here is an excellent link if you've never read it.

Blessings, bro

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News Item12/13/13 7:25 AM
postaboy  Find all comments by postaboy
Spurgeon stated that as he was already called of God and prepared largely through his grandfather and father's study-the reading, since a child of 6, of Puritan books and commentaries and Calvin, so how could he ever be better trained now that the Holy Spirit had applied all that learning committed to a photographic memory!

He had little time for Bible only men who had little capacity for learning and therefore less for teaching-those who dismissed the wonderful volumes of Bible commentaries-particularly the best of Calvin and who felt themselves somehow infallible and not requiring the best Holy Spirit teachers of history which he found were usually the old puritans.

Spurgeon on Commentaries

He was almost as saturated with the Puritans as he was with the Bible-that is what made him a GIANT.

As Spurgeon read Pilgrims Progress 100 times we can understand how he valued Bunyan and good books and Spirit filled teachers with His Bible to pick out the best of the wheat from such books.

The new Spurgeon biography is probably the most detailed reference to Spurgeon's views one can ever read.

Living By Revealed Truth

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