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WEDNESDAY, NOV 27, 2013  |  39 comments
Pope attacks 'tyranny' of markets in manifesto for papacy
Pope Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as "a new tyranny" and beseeched global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality, in a document on Tuesday setting out a platform for his papacy and calling for a renewal of the Catholic Church.

The 84-page document, known as an apostolic exhortation, was the first major work he has authored alone as pope and makes official many views he has aired in sermons and remarks since he became the first non-European pontiff in 1,300 years in March.

In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money", and urged politicians to "attack the structural causes of inequality" and strive to provide work, healthcare and education to all citizens. ...


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News Item3/6/14 7:32 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Mike wrote:
The Catholic church does not excommunicate Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality. Does this mean the Catholic church subscribes to unCatholic parts to the Catholic church?
There are a lot of Pro Life Catholics and Anti Homosexual Catholics who advocate that Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality should be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. I don't know why the Catholic Church does not excommunicate all Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality.
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News Item3/6/14 7:24 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
Abortion and homosexuality are against Catholic teaching and it is forbidden for Catholics to support abortion and homosexuality. Therefore Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality should be excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
The Catholic church does not excommunicate Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality. Does this mean the Catholic church subscribes to unCatholic parts to the Catholic church?
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News Item3/6/14 7:16 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Mike wrote:
Abortion and homosexuality are not in the Mass, so it's ok if they don't get excommunicated, because they aren't subscribing to the unscriptural parts to the Mass because abortion and homosexuality aren't in the Mass for them to not subscribe to.
Abortion and homosexuality are against Catholic teaching and it is forbidden for Catholics to support abortion and homosexuality. Therefore Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality should be excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
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News Item3/6/14 7:11 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
It is about time that the Catholic Church excommunicates all Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality.
Abortion and homosexuality are not in the Mass, so it's ok if they don't get excommunicated, because they aren't subscribing to the unscriptural parts to the Mass because abortion and homosexuality aren't in the Mass for them to not subscribe to.
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News Item12/2/13 3:58 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks for the commentary suggestions.
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News Item12/2/13 10:37 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
By the way, we're not talking about decorations. You do a great job trying to minimalize the fatal facts; brushing them off as some joke. I would be very concerned about encouraging people to remain within such provably false religious systems and telling them to stay put because they're doing just fine believing and practicing the things they do. I would be very concerned about giving people a false sense of security; telling them that they are born again and Heaven bound no matter what doctrines they believe, no matter what rituals they practice, no matter what anyone else tells them...no matter what the Bible says about it all. You posted recently that they are all saints whose eyes Christ just hasn't opened yet(basically). I don't even know what to make of that. What about all who have died, will die today, etc, believing in and practicing these fatal doctrines?
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News Item12/2/13 9:02 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Their creed begins and ends with the words on a piece of paper. Can anyone claim to truly worship Christ, yet teach fatal doctrines which are diametrically opposed to the very Word they claim to follow, obey, and revere? They believe and teach that without Mary, salvation is impossible. They pray to Mary and the other saints which is no different than praying to devils since it's not Christ. They teach that everyone goes to a fictional Purgatory which give all a false sense of a 2nd chance. They believe and teach that Christ must do what Mary tells Him because "he can't resist her pleas", not to mention their belief that Mary, alongside Christ, co-redeemed mankind.
I could go on for pages. Does it matter what anyone claims when they believe and teach the direct opposite in practice?
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News Item12/2/13 7:29 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Christopher000 wrote:
My goodness, John. Do you ever read and consider all of the Bible based posting concerning this issue? People haven't just posted opinions, they have posted very solid, biblically based answers and facts as to why they say the things they do against the Roman system.
You quoted their creed...so what already. Don't you get, John, that anyone can claim anything at all that they want, but if what they do in practice, apart from those words, works against Christ and His word in every provable way, do they really worship Christ? The answer is, of course not..it's not logical...it an outright, outrageous, provably false lie.
Remember my analogy with the peanut butter? Probably not, but it's a perfect example of someone claiming one thing but doing the complete opposite.
Please stop reading what they wrote concerning their creed, John, instead, start reading what they really believe; research what they write concerning the
The Nicene Creed has DEFINED what Christians believe for 17 centuries, it doesnt change because you dont like how they decorate their church.

btw-Have you ever considered you are cursed? The Priest commiting suicide after performing the sacraments for you, then the crime of your seed?

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News Item12/2/13 7:10 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
My goodness, John. Do you ever read and consider all of the Bible based posting concerning this issue? People haven't just posted opinions, they have posted very solid, biblically based answers and facts as to why they say the things they do against the Roman system.
You quoted their creed...so what already. Don't you get, John, that anyone can claim anything at all that they want, but if what they do in practice, apart from those words, works against Christ and His word in every provable way, do they really worship Christ? The answer is, of course not..it's not logical...it an outright, outrageous, provably false lie.
Remember my analogy with the peanut butter? Probably not, but it's a perfect example of someone claiming one thing but doing the complete opposite.
Please stop reading what they wrote concerning their creed, John, instead, start reading what they really believe; research what they write concerning the Mass, Mary, indulgences, confession, salvation, Purgatory, Papal infallibility, tradition, sacraments, etc, etc. These doctrines tell their story and true intentions and beliefs, John, not the words you posted which contradict everything they teach. Don't believe me or anyone else, look it all up for yourself...it's all there in their own writings.
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News Item12/2/13 5:01 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Excommunication matters not wrote:
John Yurich wrote, It is about time that the Catholic Church excommunicates all Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality.
Do you realize how meaningless it is to be excommunicated from the Catholic church?? You and SteveR would be the only ones in this forum that would not suffer that fate. It is not pontifications from the Catholic church that get people to heaven or send them to hell. It would be a blessing to be kicked out of the false Roman Catholic church that worships a god of their own making instead of the God of the Bible.
My Born Again Non Denominational brother, his minister and my Baptist friend don't believe that the Catholic Church worships a false god because they are not insane and they have the ability to comprehend that the Creed states "WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, WE BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT THE LORD AND GIVER OF LIFE.". There it is right from the Creed that the Catholic Church worships the One True God of the Bible. I have always believed in and worshipped the biblical and historical Jesus as God. I trust in Jesus(The biblical Jesus) alone for salvation.
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News Item12/1/13 10:07 PM
Excommunication matters not  Find all comments by Excommunication matters not
John Yurich wrote, It is about time that the Catholic Church excommunicates all Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality.

Do you realize how meaningless it is to be excommunicated from the Catholic church??

You and SteveR would be the only ones in this forum that would not suffer that fate.

It is not pontifications from the Catholic church that get people to heaven or send them to hell.

It would be a blessing to be kicked out of the false Roman Catholic church that worships a god of their own making instead of the God of the Bible.

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News Item12/1/13 2:24 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
This guy thinks the free market is tyranny and oppressive government is freedom I guess,like any good socialist with big plans for other people's money he leaves out the other reasons for poverty,things like communist/socialist/Marxist dictators who oppress the people and take all the wealth for themselves while the people with no jobs or industry are left to starve....he is just another smiling man telling people what they want to hear.
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News Item11/30/13 5:28 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
It is about time that the Catholic Church excommunicates all Catholics who support abortion and homosexuality.
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News Item11/29/13 10:04 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
ah, this stuff is going to be pouring right into evangelical churches too. warren got a new book yet?

I can't disagree with communist comments, but really things like ocare was written by ins. companies. corporations writing themselves out of legal responsibility (cannot sue them) and writing leg to go to wores that they then receive the contracts for..... leads to the same thing as out of control gov spending, its all the same road, called fascism.

and that's how big gov and big corp (rep and dem) move the people out of indl freedoms and rghts.

when a corp' has more power than all the people combined, its no better than when the gov collectively has more power than the people, and in fact -- its the same thing. we keep arguing opposites, when the opposites are the same thing.

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News Item11/29/13 7:48 PM
Beware  Find all comments by Beware
The Roman Catholic religion is in league with the devil.
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News Item11/29/13 10:55 AM
Bookworm  Find all comments by Bookworm
Ah yes...Mr. Ryle one of the last great preachers of the 1800's.
Truly he understood and preached and wrote of that wickedness...popery.Three of his books we would recommend.
Why were our Reformers burnt.
Idolatry
Holiness.
Great reads!
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News Item11/29/13 9:39 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Nobody commented on John Calvins commentary.
Not much to say really, Christopher.

The very best commentary I ever read was Bishop John Ryle on the four gospels. Most excellent and heart-warming.

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News Item11/29/13 7:49 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks a lot, Jim, MS, and SC. I wrote them all down this time...ha-ha. Nobody commented on John Calvins commentary. Any good? Thx.
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News Item11/29/13 12:44 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Neil, capitalism doesn't work with Laissez-faire(Roughly translated, "Survival of the Fittest," and to follow "Natural Law") We can see what happened when "Enron" Bush, and even Billy Clinton was in office.
Definition of ‚Äúlaissez-faire‚ÄĚ: literally, ‚ÄĚto let, to allow.‚Äú Not at all equal to the tautology ‚ÄúSurvival of the Fittest,‚Äú not even close. Anyhow, capitalism cannot function w/o rule of law; courts resolve business abuse, so your comparison is an absurd misrepresentation.

Jim, you're a Communist.

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News Item11/28/13 9:55 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
...
Neil, capitalism doesn't work with laissez-faire...
Speaking on a so called documentary on Enron

"Not once, ever, did they mention that during most of the years of false growth and cooked books, Clinton was President. It was during these times, that some people began to get suspicious and nothing was done. Bush had only been in office a few months when Enron finally collapsed."

http://tinyurl.com/l86kora

(Jim, to his credit, did mention Clinton)

Jim has not voiced complaints when the same tactics are used by government programs.

http://tinyurl.com/l5fej37

http://tinyurl.com/mzdczbm

Neil, Jim is a great guy, however he,like most who hold his positions, do not understand free markets and how they benefit the economy. He might have termed it survival of the fittest but the government made it companies too big to fail. The current fiscal failures we face are due to government intervention and over regulation not the opposite. This is Thanksgiving, a story that aptly shows the failures of communism (liberal economics) and the success of capitalism.

Also, someone remind Jim about the disdain he had for Ryan and how he needs to apply it to Ryan's incorrect thinking that Glass-Steagall should be reinstated.

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