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Choice News WEDNESDAY, NOV 13, 2013  |  103 comments
Abortion Advocates Call for Cancellation of Duggar Family’s ’19 Kids and Counting’

A petition calling for the cancellation of a popular reality show was recently filed after one of its ‘stars’ compared America’s abortion industry to the Holocaust.

19 Kids and Counting airs weekly on TLC, with an average viewing audience of approximately 1.5 million. The broadcast follows the lives of Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, as well as their 19 children, who range in age from 3 to 25 years. The Duggars are all unashamed Christians, and regularly speak at various events across the country.

However, remarks from Jim Bob Duggar at last month’s Values Voters Summit have now generated an outcry from abortion advocates. In his address, Duggar compared the United States’ abortion practices today with the Nazi Germany Holocaust during World War II. ...


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News Item11/22/13 9:25 AM
Angela Wittman | SW Illinois  Find all comments by Angela Wittman
Well, folks, I've been issuing apologies for my dismissal and chastising those who I felt were taking "pot shots" at DP, patriarchy, etc. There really is reason for concern for abuse of power and instead of sweeping it under the rug, we need to look at the charges, evaluate the facts as best we can and take a stand against spiritual abuse in Christian ministries - both in the church and in para-church organizations. Once we begin doing this, I believe the good Lord will bless our Christian witness to the world and other believers. And as I've stated in other places - moderation is the key! We don't need to be extremists in any area other than extremely committed to Christ and living a genuine, sincere Christian life.
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News Item11/21/13 5:17 PM
William S. Sutherland | Houston, Texas  Find all comments by William S. Sutherland
Neil, Why are your comments about others deemed by you to be perfectly acceptable, but someone's responses to your comments are labeled "pot-shots" and therefore sinful? I was not imputing anything, but simply responding to information you had volunteered in your "pot-shots" at Mr. Philips. Why the double-standard?
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News Item11/19/13 11:26 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Angela Wittman wrote:
Well, Neil, I am humbled by your wisdom and ask forgiveness for my previous remarks.
Forgiveness heartily granted.
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News Item11/19/13 11:22 AM
Angela Wittman | SW IL  Find all comments by Angela Wittman
Well, Neil, I am humbled by your wisdom and ask forgiveness for my previous remarks.
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News Item11/19/13 11:18 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Angela Wittman wrote:
Dear Neil, I agree with your last comment. If this report of DP is true (I haven't yet checked it out), then I will have some apologies to make.
The worst one could say about the Phillips' nanny (if indeed they had one) is inconsistency. Winston Churchill, for example, was closer to his nanny than his mother; his parents, like many others of his time, were practically party animals, too busy for daily childrearing, & passed that off to nannies & boarding schools. Nannies can in effect be surrogate parents.

OTOH, Prime Minister Robert Cecil, of the same class & generation as Churchill's parents & a fascinating character, homeschooled his children, contrary to what many of his class did. His children remembered him fondly. He, as a devout Anglican Tory, would probably be surprised to hear about VF's spin on patriarchy.

To be fair to VF, they did put their finger on a widespread disfunction in our culture: the "outsourcing" of parenting. Perhaps they went overboard with Patriarchy, but now, they are discredited as a serious voice on the subject.

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News Item11/19/13 10:45 AM
Angela Wittman | SW IL  Find all comments by Angela Wittman
Dear Neil, I agree with your last comment. If this report of DP is true (I haven't yet checked it out), then I will have some apologies to make. And if true, this reveals a serious flaw in character and heinous sin that should be dealt with by using the principles of church discipline by the VF Board of Directors and DP's church in Texas. May God help DP's family as they pick up the pieces and may God's people keep them lifted up in prayer.
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News Item11/19/13 10:29 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
HUFFP0 wrote:
.. This would make biblical patriarchy's emphasis on authority combined with the way in which girls are intentionally kept vulnerable, dependent and submissive, crucially important.
No less maddening than the Phillips scandal itself is the shoddy reasoning about it by Internet bloggers & journalists. Seducing a nanny does not logically follow from VF's patriarchy doctrines. Many folks having nothing to do with patriarchy or even Christianity have had nannies, & no doubt many of these were seduced as well. The master seducing a servant is an old story.
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News Item11/18/13 8:05 PM
HUFFP0  Find all comments by HUFFP0
"Phillips and Vision Forum: More Than a Scandal"

Now reports are circulating that the scandal may well have multiple levels including claims that the "relationship" was with a nanny, lasted between six and 10 years, and likely began when she was in her late teens. This would make biblical patriarchy's emphasis on authority combined with the way in which girls are intentionally kept vulnerable, dependent and submissive, crucially important. The young woman may or may not have been technically old enough to consent in Texas, but the context of biblical patriarchy would make this an abuse of power if not a crime.

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News Item11/18/13 3:36 PM
postey  Find all comments by postey
SteveR wrote:
il·lu·sion
a. An erroneous perception of reality.
No Steve.
The correct term covering the Roman Catholic false religion is "delusion." as I said.

Hence

2Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong DELUSION, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

btw; Your supporting this RCC idolatry, blasphemy and heresy does imply that you are not saved. I hope that you will be allowed by grace to find the truth.

The Lord's warning seems appropriate to your situation;
Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Fawning to the papal antichrist and his horde means that you identify as against the Lord not with Him.

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News Item11/18/13 9:04 AM
mourner  Find all comments by mourner
Christopher000 wrote:
know what I would love to do? Just occured to me...make a list of every false doctrine, false teaching, and every single quasi secret anti-biblical, anti-Christ, anti-God, practice and comment made, past and present, by any Pope or saint. I think all of what they really teach and believe, in addition to all of the usuals, line by numbered line, would be quite the project, quite the list, and quite the eye opener for most.
Please Chris don't take me wrong I'm not picking on you, but what you've said stirs up my thoughts I've had after I walked away from what I've read here and considered.

The list you speak of has already been made in History. It is call the National Covenant of Scotland and the Solemn League and Covenant of the three kingdoms. Just as the Moral Law has positive and negatives the Confessions were the positives or what is believed among us and the Covenants the negatives or what we are to guard against so we know what we are to contend for agreeable to Scripture and with whom, because they contradict Scripture.

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News Item11/18/13 7:30 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Postey, I really liked reading your comments because like myself, along some others, you have done your research. I have posted a small novels worth of information here over time, but tend to forget the deeper, less talked about items you mentioned. Topics such as Mary's house, the churches and Popes verbatim views on relics, etc, etc.
There is so much, well, you know what I would love to do? Just occured to me...make a list of every false doctrine, false teaching, and every single quasi secret anti-biblical, anti-Christ, anti-God, practice and comment made, past and present, by any Pope or saint. I think all of what they really teach and believe, in addition to all of the usuals, line by numbered line, would be quite the project, quite the list, and quite the eye opener for most.
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News Item11/17/13 6:03 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
William S. Sutherland wrote:
Having never seen this show I cannot comment on it directly nor do I engage in mind-reading as suggested by Neil. I was simply responded to the comments he himself made which, like most of the comments in this thread, have nothing to do with the subject:
Since you've gratuitously revived the long-dormant subject of Doug Phillips & my admittedly off-topic remarks about him, I must reply. You sarcastically imputed a personal motive to me for opposing VF (“poor Neil” & his unreplied emails), rather than their questionable theology as I stated before. This is Bearing False Witness.

You take this pot-shot at me despite my reverting back to the thread subject later.

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News Item11/17/13 4:37 PM
William S. Sutherland | Houston, Texas  Find all comments by William S. Sutherland
Having never seen this show I cannot comment on it directly nor do I engage in mind-reading as suggested by Neil. I was simply responded to the comments he himself made which, like most of the comments in this thread, have nothing to do with the subject: the comparison by Mr. Duggar of the killing of babies to the murder of the Jews by Hitler! How easily many get off into theological rabbit trails which have no bearing whatsoever on the news article at hand. Do we not all agree that abortion is a great EVIL that should be condemned by every blood-bought child of God? I applaud Mr. Duggar for his observation and agree with his assessment: 55 million and counting is a HOLOCAUST!!!
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News Item11/17/13 4:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Troll alert wrote:
Keep telling you all....SteveR is a Jesuit troll.
Aye, he claims Calvinism yet anathematises Calvinists.
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News Item11/17/13 4:08 PM
  
SteveR....yawn!!
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News Item11/17/13 3:58 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Troll alert wrote:
Keep telling you all....SteveR is a Jesuit troll.
If true, my 5 pt Calvinist position means the Reformation has been 100% successful
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News Item11/17/13 3:52 PM
Troll alert  Find all comments by Troll alert
Keep telling you all....SteveR is a Jesuit troll.
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News Item11/17/13 3:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Continue at your own eternal peril..
Anathematising Protestants again, Steve?

Good ol' Catholic!

Thankfully you can't burn us at the stake nowadays.

Praise God!!

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News Item11/17/13 3:23 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
postey wrote:
These poor foolish Roman Catholics justify their wicked idolatry with "DELUSIONS" not illusions.
Like your false prophetic claims earlier, your English now, the RCC is in error in areas too. Unlike you, they dont spend their days falsing accusing the Saints of the LORD most high

Continue at your own eternal peril

il·lu·sion
a. An erroneous perception of reality.

b. An erroneous concept or belief.

2. The condition of being deceived by a false perception or belief.

3. Something, such as a fantastic plan or desire, that causes an erroneous belief or perception

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News Item11/17/13 3:06 PM
postey  Find all comments by postey
SteveR wrote:
illusions
These poor foolish Roman Catholics justify their wicked idolatry with "DELUSIONS" not illusions.

"The veneration of dead bodies of martyrs was ordered by the Council of Trent, the Council which also condemned those who did not believe in relics: "The holy bodies of holy martyrs [...] are to be venerated by the faithful, for through these bodies many benefits are bestowed by God on men, so that they who affirm that veneration and honour are not due to the relics of the saints [...] are wholly to be condemned, as the Church has already long since condemned, and also now condemns them." [The Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol. 12, p. 737] Of course, because it was believed that "many benefits" could come through the bones of dead men, the sale of bodies and bones became big business for the Church of Rome!"

"Even more laughable is the story about Mary's house. Roman Catholics believe that the house in which Mary lived at Nazareth is now in the little town of Loreto, Italy, having been transported there by angels! The Catholic Encyclopaedia says:
"Since the fifteenth century, and possibly even earlier, the 'Holy House' of Loreto has been numbered among the most famous shrines of Italy" (Prof A.Noble)

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