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SATURDAY, NOV 9, 2013  |  21 comments
Mormon church-owned company buys huge swath of Florida land
The Mormon church stands to own nearly 2 percent of Florida by completing a deal to buy most of the real estate of the St. Joe Co. for more than a half-billion dollars.

The megapurchase was announced jointly Thursday by a corporate representative of church, which owns the nearly 295,000-acre Deseret Ranches in Central Florida, and by the real-estate and timber business, which has built several communities along the Panhandle coast.

Completion of the deal will leave the Utah-based church with 678,000 acres, an area larger than any other private holding in Florida, according to widely shared but unconfirmed rankings of top landowners.

AgReserves Inc., a taxpaying company of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, will maintain timber and agricultural uses of the Panhandle acreage, according to the announcement. ...


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News Item11/10/13 3:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike of N.Y., is physical wealth a sign of being blessed by God? I think the person before me answered that question quite well about, Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. It is interesting How the Mormons Make Money.
I would like to point out to some of yuo again, the very last article on, How the Mormons Make Money. It is a rather detailed, and as I said interesting article on the Mormon money machine.

Poverty, too bad you didn't take advantage of many opportunities in the service to get an education. The Navy and the Air Force have courses programs etc. which make people quite interesting to civilian employers. The United States Postal Service usually gave Vets preference when hiring.

But at least I'm happy to see you don't seem to think that being a Christian and being monetarily rich automatically linked.

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News Item11/10/13 2:03 PM
poverty  Find all comments by poverty
Mike wrote:
Do you even have a clue what poverty is? Do you own a computer? Have enough to eat? Clothes? Stay warm at night? By your definition you aren't a real Christian, because you are not suffering physical poverty.
Yes!
Born to poor uneducated parents. Father did not always have work. My school clothes were donated from the lady who my mother cleaned for.
Left school at 15 without education.
No education to compete in the labour market.
Joined navy to gain a wage.
Struggled to get anywhere in promotion.
Left navy only to find civilian market required the education I did not have.
Went abroad to get work and wage to support family.
etc.

Owning computer, enough to eat, clothes etc - These have been providentially provided by God, my son bought me my computer and my car. Thus do I know poverty and complete dependence upon God. God taught me a long hard lesson over the years. I don't belong to this world or society and my struggle highlights that fact. "Rich" middle class/upper class people with all the necessary acceptable qualifications do belong, they naturally depend upon mammon.

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News Item11/10/13 12:58 PM
Zaiden B.W.J | Tkv  Find all comments by Zaiden B.W.J
John UK wrote:
Wa Hey! That's a rare one. I had a Strat copy which I modified myself with a DiMarcio humbucker (centrally mounted) which was a modern remake of the original Gibson pickup. I also lowered the action so that it wasn't painful to play, and it sounded smooth and creamy, especially as I put an extra capacitor in the circuitry to change the frequency response.
Aaww no! John is a Rock n Roller from the old days. No wonder he has difficulties with sound doctrine like Calvinism. Pray for John's understanding fellas.
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News Item11/10/13 10:33 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat wrote:
I havn't seen one like it since I bought it in 99
No, I've never ever seen one.

I forgot to mention that because of tuning problems I took off the arm and replaced it with a heavy chrome plated fixed bridge. Sorted. I also gutted the electrics and had the single pickup going straight to the jack via the capacitor and volume control. Very simple.

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News Item11/10/13 10:29 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Yes, the issue of when our wealth or poverty becomes sinful is a heart issue. I can have a billion dollars and not love this world or my money or I can have nothing and love this world and "what it can give me". We can fool ourselves, but our Lord will see right through that and examine us properly.

Good comment Strat. The problem with churches today is they give preference to the rich and ignore the poor. I wonder why they do that.

[9] Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: [10] But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away. [11] For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. (Jam 1:9-11 KJV)

[7] Two [things] have I required of thee; deny me [them] not before I die: [8] Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: [9] Lest I be full, and deny [thee], and say, Who [is] the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God [in vain]. (Pro 30:7-9 KJV)

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News Item11/10/13 8:42 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Interesting conversation about wealth and poverty because it really is all relative. Here in the states, many are considered to be impoverished, while to many living in other areas on this earth, their poverty would be considered great,and very welcomed wealth. Consider the family of 8 living together in a one roon mud or tin hut with no possessions and nothing to fill their stomachs with but seasoned water. I feel like the poorest of the poor here, would be considered wealthy and blessed to such as these.
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News Item11/10/13 7:08 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
John UK wrote:
Wa Hey! That's a rare one. I had a Strat copy which I modified myself with a DiMarcio humbucker (centrally mounted) which was a modern remake of the original Gibson pickup. I also lowered the action so that it wasn't painful to play, and it sounded smooth and creamy, especially as I put an extra capacitor in the circuitry to change the frequency response.
I havn't seen one like it since I bought it in 99
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News Item11/10/13 7:01 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat wrote:
Yes,i have a genuine American made Pearl white "Big Apple" Strat,so called because it has twin humbucker pick ups in both the neck and bridge position.
Wa Hey! That's a rare one. I had a Strat copy which I modified myself with a DiMarcio humbucker (centrally mounted) which was a modern remake of the original Gibson pickup. I also lowered the action so that it wasn't painful to play, and it sounded smooth and creamy, especially as I put an extra capacitor in the circuitry to change the frequency response.
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News Item11/10/13 6:17 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
John UK wrote:
Strat is the usual term used for the world famous Fender Stratocaster electric guitar. Do you have a Fender Strat, Strat?
Yes,i have a genuine American made Pearl white "Big Apple" Strat,so called because it has twin humbucker pick ups in both the neck and bridge position.
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News Item11/10/13 6:13 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat is the usual term used for the world famous Fender Stratocaster electric guitar. Do you have a Fender Strat, Strat?
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News Item11/10/13 6:03 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Did God create wealth so people could be poor ?

Did he create food so people could starve ?

Did he create water so people could die of thirst

Did he give them physical bodies so they could go naked and exposed to the elements ? as instruments of torture and misery ?

Did God create good things in life so only those who reject him could have them ?

It is true that the love of money is the root of all evil but who said we are to love poverty and see it as a virtue and a ticket to heaven,many poor people will not enter into the kingdom because of their love of leisure,and many will also not enter because of their false belief that people are saved by their circumstances and the worse the better and not by a savior who is above all circumstances.

And since both poverty and wealth are relative to the individual and culture how would one ever know if they are "poor" enough to enter heaven or too "rich enter heaven ?....the attitude of the heart makes the difference since the wealthy are tempted by greed and pride and the poor are tempted by envy and lust....sins that will keep both of them from the Kingdom of God.

We are to trust Jesus for our salvation and not what we have or don't have or any other circumstance that one can face in life.

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News Item11/9/13 10:04 PM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
I was born in Alabama and lived there until I married and moved away..the richest people in our town who owed most of the dress shops and other businesses were Jews. I went to school with their kids and they were very smart. The 'love' of money is the root of all evil..nothing wrong with being rich if you don't love It more than God..Abraham was a very rich man..so was others in the Bible. Paul was not rich but he said," Godliness with contentment is great gain..he had learned that lesson from being in want and having abundance..either way he learned to be cont
ent..even those who have very little in Armerica are considered rich by those in other countries as Mike and Frank said and I so agree.
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News Item11/9/13 9:55 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
poverty wrote:
Yes! How else could you experience complete faith in God for His providence and mercy?
You can't serve both God and mammon. What do you think that actually means when broken down?
Note the verses following this command.
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
25 Therefore I say unto you, TAKE NO THOUGHT FOR YOUR LIFE, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER FEEDETH THEM. Are ye not much better than they?
Matt 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
That's the attitude of those on welfare,they just replace God with the state and we who work are burdened with it...we are to work and be productive and care for our families
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News Item11/9/13 9:25 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike wrote:
Good verses, but application needs help. Do you even have a clue what poverty is? Do you own a computer? Have enough to eat? Clothes? Stay warm at night? By your definition you aren't a real Christian, because you are not suffering physical poverty.
Interesting comment Mike. I have read where "most" of the world would say someone was rich if they could flip a switch and a light came on or have running water, sanitation, etc. I don't think westerners have a clue what real poverty is; me included.
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News Item11/9/13 7:24 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
poverty wrote:
Yes! How else could you experience complete faith in God for His providence and mercy?
You can't serve both God and mammon. What do you think that actually means when broken down?
Note the verses following this command.
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
25 Therefore I say unto you, TAKE NO THOUGHT FOR YOUR LIFE, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER FEEDETH THEM. Are ye not much better than they?
Matt 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Good verses, but application needs help. Do you even have a clue what poverty is? Do you own a computer? Have enough to eat? Clothes? Stay warm at night? By your definition you aren't a real Christian, because you are not suffering physical poverty.
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News Item11/9/13 4:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike of N.Y., is physical wealth a sign of being blessed by God? I think the person before me answered that question quite well about, Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. It is interesting How the Mormons Make Money.
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News Item11/9/13 3:50 PM
poverty  Find all comments by poverty
Mike wrote:
Is physical poverty biblically necessary for people to be real Christians?
Yes! How else could you experience complete faith in God for His providence and mercy?

You can't serve both God and mammon. What do you think that actually means when broken down?

Note the verses following this command.
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

25 Therefore I say unto you, TAKE NO THOUGHT FOR YOUR LIFE, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER FEEDETH THEM. Are ye not much better than they?

Matt 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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News Item11/9/13 11:08 AM
shane | socal  Find all comments by shane
The st. Joe co.? RCC? If so, not surprising. Babylon to Babylon transaction.
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News Item11/9/13 9:58 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Mike wrote:
Is physical poverty biblically necessary for people to be real Christians?
No,but proclaiming the true gospel and not making up your own along with your own bible is.
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News Item11/9/13 8:09 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Strat wrote:
No surprise,the Mormon church is one of the wealthiest organizations on earth with many millionaires in its membership...if there was ever an example of a blessed heresy and apostasy or an argument for the blessings of heresy and apostasy....they certainly have been blessed by somebody.
Is physical poverty biblically necessary for people to be real Christians?
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