Young adults who abandon faith may have 'lukewarm' upbringing
The idea that young adults are abandoning their faith in droves may be widely accepted but isn't fully accurate. So says a Focus on the Family study that casts light on trends among young adults that may contradict doomsday predictions for the Christian faith.
The study, titled "Millennial Faith Participation and Retention," tracked the religious trends of Millennials (usually those born between 1980 and 2000) and found that only a fraction are leaving their childhood faith -- usually because they may not have had much of one to begin with.
The study utilizes data from the Pew research sources and the National Science Foundation's annual General Social Survey....
Gil Rugh said or, wrote: ...as I read the characteristics of these churches I find they are not steeped in the fundamentals of the faith. In their doctrinal statement it may sound great. But in their practice they have moved away from a doctrinal focus and a doctrinal ministry. And that is just a disarming tactic to enable them to continue to grow and influence. These churches are held together by their methods not their doctrinal statements. The issue is not biblical methods at all . The issue is pragmatism. They are held together by what works.
Doctrine is the skeleton that that a body of Christ is formed around. A rotten skeleton won't hold a body for very long.
Huck I saw that video and I was blessed. Having been a youth leader I can vouch that we were at times preaching stuff that was not helping families to disciple their kids- at the time I felt that parents were at times unsupportive of all the hard effort we put into youth ministry, but now I can see the whole concept was flawed. I was a Christian mum ( non Christian dad) and felt very alone in some ways because the full families didn't really invite us ' single parents' in much - like they would have dinner parties and they always appeared to be having a great time and we were on the outside...but hey maybe it was a result of the age segregation stuff and if we had been a whole church that segregational effect would maybe not have happened ???
Hmm, the interaction of two groups, probably neither Christian David Noer: āAs the twig is bent, so grows the treeā. This author makes some interesting comments, and makes some comments from where that saying came from. I think that Catholic poet may have been inspired by this:
Proverbs 20 11 It is by his deeds that a lad distinguishes himself If his conduct is pure and right. Proverbs 22 6 Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.---NASB
Lisa wrote: Ok when I said that about pseudo psychology
ya, that's a good way of saying it.
its not science.
and neither is when the company selling a product gets the multimillion double blind study to prove it and then it gets pulled off the market a few years later after a bunch of people were lost or maimed.... that's called a failure of free market and science right there.
or when disease is defined in such restrictive terms that research actually showing failure of a product or an idea can then be subtly pushed as good... now that's called defining the terms.
but in the abstract of psychology, its about collective opinion, which is always changing like building your house on the sand.
now love and truth, they endure.
and raising up the next generation in the ways they should go is a blessing to them, otherwise when sin abounds and their lives fall apart, all they will have in this world is psychology to prop them up, but perhaps they'll remember Grandma's hymns and psalms and come back to the faith, and they are blessed in the Lord.
Strat wrote: The bible does not promise a parent anything except that if they do not bring their children up in the fear and reverence of God both they and their children will suffer....the same promise made to us all.
Raising them correctly, is no guarantee
1 Samuel 8:3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.
& Sometimes the kids are CORRECT Judges 6:25 And it came to pass the same night, that the LORD said unto him, Take thy father's young bullock, even the second bullock of seven years old, and throw down the altar of Baal that thy father hath, and cut down the grove that is by it:
Judges 6:26 And build an altar unto the LORD thy God
The bible does not promise a parent anything except that if they do not bring their children up in the fear and reverence of God both they and their children will suffer....the same promise made to us all.
Ok when I said that about pseudo psychology I was taking as a scientist- and I guess that often doesn't apply to psychology. What I mean is- where is the evidence that adolescence is different now than it was in the past. If I were to accept that as reality ( and that's what we all want yeah )- the artical would answer these questions 1. A study of x number of adolescents in 1654 ( or whenever) showed that they never had no temper tantrums, were never depressed, and didn't suffer acne ( or whatever hesvtryingbto prove). 2. A study of x kids in 2012 showed that they did suffer xyz. 3. These are the confounding variables and the p value is such and such and from this we conclude....
Can't be done, so I can't accept that it's the truth, just his opinion. On something like that I personally want to have evidence not some guys opinion. I think it's easy to say Christian parents abdicated their responsibility. I seen a lot if very good Christian parents doing a fine job working their guts out and their kids don't turn out like perfect Christian offspring should... Kids are little sin machines and always will be until the spirit of god comes upon them( liars cheats thieves sexually immoral - some kids are just better at hiding it than others). None of us can control when our ki
SF, one, GREAT documentary that IndoctriNation! Two, my Grandfather is a psychologist and spoke adamantly against "adolescence" and any age categorizing because it is unscriptural. He got the degree, he knew where the teaching was coming from - purely evolutionary and always humanistic.
Lisa, we rebel as people, from the day we are born to the moment we die. Because parents have abdicated their rolls over the past decades and society has taken on the roll of mommy and daddy, moving farther and farther from anything resembling Christianity, is not due to some pseudo-stage of child development (the kids aren't evolutionary by products). In another thread from another article you say we need to study only God's word and need little input, if any, from anywhere else. Yet this concept of child development stages IS based on evolution and is not Biblical. I'm not sure at all how you can compare Scott's work and the Scriptural evidence he gives and come up with this being pseudo Christian psychology.
I looked up the artical and would broadly classify it as Christian pseudo psychology. Having read lots of missionary stories over the years I think many Puritan Christians went through a rebellious stage prior to meeting god, and that is what makes their testimony so wonderful. I do agree that our culture encourages youth to be MORE rebellious but the essence of man is rebellion towards god and man can never be at rest with himself until that rebellion is over.
Yes I think that children rising up against their parents is an end time curse. And I believe that prayer and the holy spirit can overcome- but the verse looks like it is referring to Christian children specifically ( or should I say children of Christian families). I also like to think of the parable of the prodigal son.
"Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death." (Mark 13:12)
This is a curse of end times, not necessarily the course children will/must take. Where in the Bible do we have this talk of teenage rebellion? I think you'll find this term only in human psychology; I don't think it's scriptural.