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WEDNESDAY, OCT 30, 2013  |  46 comments
Atheist Shoe Company Is Now Targeting Godless…Babies

An atheist shoe company has been providing “soles” for atheists over the past year, but now the secular company is expanding its efforts with a new line of baby shoes.

These pointed messages come with a specific purpose — to reinforce non-belief.

“We’re pretty sure all babies are born atheists and, rather than commit them to some religion before they’re old enough to have a say (let alone control their pooping functions) we’d rather celebrate their undoubted belief in Mummy and Daddy,” the Kickstarter page continues. ...


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News Item10/31/13 9:27 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
whendwell wrote:
http://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/09/15/10-ways-that-believers-experienced-the-holy-spirit-in-the-ot/
Sorry John. Tried to use hyperlink and it didn't work again.
But the above is the link to D.Murray's blogs where he covers the OT indwelling. If you cut and paste it to the address line you'll get there.
Thanks bro. It's helpful, but written by John Piper not David Murray.
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News Item10/31/13 9:21 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
xTurk wrote:
Mr. Lurker,
It seems to me you have misunderstood my statement, which is ok because I was unclear and should have elaborated a bit more.
When I said atheists have faith I did not mean a biblical faith, ie. . . saving faith in Christ. What I meant to say was that atheists have faith, just in evolution or in the non-existence of God. Meaning they believe that evolution created all things.
I mean c'mon you could say mormons have (A) faith right? Do you have faith that your mother gave birth to you? Do all humans unsaved or saved have faith that one day they die?
Thanks for your kind reply, wTurk.

I understand your point. What I was saying is that a biblical term dating back to Gen 17 has been so polluted by non-Christians that it is no longer recognizable even by many Christians. Even the term "Christian" is polluted and must be qualified by either "true" or "nominal". These things shouldn't be.

I'm not disagreeing with the sermon .... just lamenting how a "pure language" has been so polluted.

Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

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News Item10/31/13 8:32 AM
whendwell  Find all comments by whendwell
John UK wrote:
I would be interested to hear how the esteemed professor continues on with this question, if you are able to post it up.
http://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/09/15/10-ways-that-believers-experienced-the-holy-spirit-in-the-ot/

Sorry John. Tried to use hyperlink and it didn't work again.

But the above is the link to D.Murray's blogs where he covers the OT indwelling. If you cut and paste it to the address line you'll get there.

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News Item10/31/13 8:09 AM
Elise | Scotland  Find all comments by Elise
Thank you John, I got it now, many thanks.
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News Item10/31/13 7:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Elise wrote:
To xTurk.. I have been trying to find the sermon you mentioned below but I can't find it at all, can you tell who the speaker is, I might find it like that. Thanks.
Try Here Elise.

It is David C Innes - In the Beginning - Who and What? #2

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News Item10/31/13 7:47 AM
Elise | Scotland  Find all comments by Elise
To xTurk.. I have been trying to find the sermon you mentioned below but I can't find it at all, can you tell who the speaker is, I might find it like that. Thanks.
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News Item10/31/13 7:22 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John UK wrote:
Quiz:
What has the Buick Century to do with:
1. The UK?
2. Long thin cigarillos?
Okay, so you all give up?

Buick designed the car to do 100mph, and someone discovered that in the UK we often used the word century for 100. So that is why it was called the Buick Century.

Normally in the UK we would use century for a hundred runs in a cricket match, or for 100 years. Vehicles reaching 100mph, we would say they did "the ton". So it could easily have been called the Buick Ton.

Telly Savalas's Kojak popularised the car, using it for most of the series, a dark brown version. He was well-known for smoking long, thin cigarillos, but every now and then he would give them up and suck a lollipop instead.

Telly's real life Greek brother played the part of Kojac's sidekick Stavros, whom Kojac unfortunately nicknamed Fatso, because of his stature.

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News Item10/31/13 7:22 AM
xTurk  Find all comments by xTurk
Mr. Lurker,

It seems to me you have misunderstood my statement, which is ok because I was unclear and should have elaborated a bit more.

When I said atheists have faith I did not mean a biblical faith, ie. . . saving faith in Christ. What I meant to say was that atheists have faith, just in evolution or in the non-existence of God. Meaning they believe that evolution created all things.

I mean c'mon you could say mormons have (A) faith right? Do you have faith that your mother gave birth to you? Do all humans unsaved or saved have faith that one day they die?

Once again, I failed to make myself clear on my comment, the only way you would have known otherwise was if you actually listened to the sermon.

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News Item10/30/13 11:07 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
xTurk wrote:
I found a wonderful sermon that I thought I would share with all of you. It deals with the fact that atheists do in fact have faith, just not in God.
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1030131724492
Not possible on three counts.

1) Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit....

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, *faith*, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

2) Faith love's (and believes like father Abraham (Rom 4:3)) God which fulfills the law of faith (Rom 3:27) aka the first great commandment (Matt 22:36-38)....

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

3) Not all men have faith....

2Th 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

Faith is quite possibly the most abused biblical term of all time; sadly even amongst Christians who should know better. (That's not meant as a slam against you, xTurk.)

Just today on the radio I heard George Michael 's 1987 song "Faith"..... ..... and that's probably why I felt compelled to say something about your comment. Frustrated.

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News Item10/30/13 8:26 PM
shane | socal  Find all comments by shane
The spirit would come upon man before pentecost, not within to dwell. The lamb of Gods sacrifice provided that victory.
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News Item10/30/13 5:44 PM
xTurk  Find all comments by xTurk
I found a wonderful sermon that I thought I would share with all of you. It deals with the fact that atheists do in fact have faith, just not in God.

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1030131724492

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News Item10/30/13 5:42 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Last one for me Pilgrim. Not to get in between you and Mike mainly because this is over my head. But, I have always thought that in order to be filled with the Spirit, someone first had to have the Spirit. Now there are lots of differences of opinion as to what being filled means, but there are no instances when it doesn't refer to someone who is already saved or indwelt.
Thank you Frank. This really does tie in with my contention that John Baptist first birth was regeneration of his spirit so that he was indwelt and filled at the same time. The point here (which Mike was contesting) is that the Spirit of God can be given and indwell a believer before our beloved Lord gave his life and shed his blood for our sins and rose again.
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News Item10/30/13 5:36 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Very good questions Mike, which require the services of a theologian.
I was speaking about this very thing to a Christian stall holder at market this week. To sum up his response, he said, "We leak."
So your text Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled [again] with the Spirit....
This would tie in with your text Eph 5:18, which apparently means, "Go on being filled with the Spirit" on a daily basis. We are to be filled again and again. But Peter obviously dipped out when he played the hypocrite and had to be rebuked by Paul.
Last one for me Pilgrim. Not to get in between you and Mike mainly because this is over my head. But, I have always thought that in order to be filled with the Spirit, someone first had to have the Spirit; that would apply to John the Baptist as well. Now there are lots of differences of opinion as to what being filled means, but there are no instances when it doesn't refer to someone who is already saved or indwelt. I personally think it refers to God empowering us to do certain things that are not commonly done by the body of Christ. Right or wrong, there was a period of time in my Christian walk when I believe I was filled with the Spirit. The filling went away, but He of course didn't.

Yes, of course He could

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News Item10/30/13 5:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
John was most unusual, and there were no others like him, according to Jesus. I guess for me the question is, is indwelling and filling the same thing? Acts 4:8 says "Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,"... Peter is already a believer, and indwelt, yet here he is "filled." May this not be indication that it means special empowering, or a strengthening, or something of that nature?
Also consider Eph 5:18-
"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;"
Paul is speaking to believers, already indwelt, no? Why tell them to be filled if it means the same thing?
Very good questions Mike, which require the services of a theologian.

I was speaking about this very thing to a Christian stall holder at market this week. To sum up his response, he said, "We leak."

So your text Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled [again] with the Spirit....

This would tie in with your text Eph 5:18, which apparently means, "Go on being filled with the Spirit" on a daily basis. We are to be filled again and again. But Peter obviously dipped out when he played the hypocrite and had to be rebuked by Paul.

I'm not sure if I'm answering the question...

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News Item10/30/13 4:56 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
I am thinking Mike of this verse, which seems to explicitly teach that men could have been filled with the Holy Ghost before the new covenant began. Now you wouldn't want John Baptist to be a Spirit-filled unregenerate, would you?
Luke 1:15 KJV
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Or do you think he was filled, just after he emerged?
John was most unusual, and there were no others like him, according to Jesus. I guess for me the question is, is indwelling and filling the same thing? Acts 4:8 says "Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,"... Peter is already a believer, and indwelt, yet here he is "filled." May this not be indication that it means special empowering, or a strengthening, or something of that nature?

Also consider Eph 5:18-
"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;"

Paul is speaking to believers, already indwelt, no? Why tell them to be filled if it means the same thing?

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News Item10/30/13 4:20 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
whendwell wrote:
If #3 is true, then the question that’s left is: “In what ways did the indwelling work of the Holy Spirit differ in the OT compared to the New, especially post-Pentecost?” (D.Murray)
I would be interested to hear how the esteemed professor continues on with this question, if you are able to post it up.
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News Item10/30/13 3:57 PM
whendwell  Find all comments by whendwell
Mike wrote:
when did the Holy Spirit first indwell
"If the Old Testament believers were real believers, the Holy Spirit indwelt them. No one can be born again, believe, or repent without the inward work of the Holy Spirit. And no one can stay a believer for one second without the ongoing internal work of the Holy Spirit – neither in the OT nor the NT. Without the Holy Spirit constantly in and at work in our hearts, we will immediately apostatize.

So, here are the options:

1. Old Testament “believers” were not real believers.

2. Old Testament “believers” believed by the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit but kept believing without the indwelling work of the Holy Spirit.

3. Old Testament believers, like New Testament believers, believed and kept on believing as a result of the Holy Spirit’s initial and ongoing indwelling work in their hearts"

If #1 is true, then the Bible is not true (Jn. 8:56; Heb 11).

If #2 is true, then OT believers were not as depraved as we are, as they did not need the ongoing indwelling work of the Holy Spirit.

If #3 is true, then the question that’s left is: “In what ways did the indwelling work of the Holy Spirit differ in the OT compared to the New, especially post-Pentecost?” (D.Murray)

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News Item10/30/13 3:47 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
This does not say John was the firstborn among many brethren. Jesus was. If John was born again in the womb, would that not have made him Christian before Christ? Ask also, when did the Holy Spirit first indwell, i.e. take up residence, in believers? Before Jesus was born? Before he shed blood?
I am thinking Mike of this verse, which seems to explicitly teach that men could have been filled with the Holy Ghost before the new covenant began. Now you wouldn't want John Baptist to be a Spirit-filled unregenerate, would you?

Luke 1:15 KJV
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Or do you think he was filled, just after he emerged?

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News Item10/30/13 3:42 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
I think you are incorrect, Frank, if you are saying it was his first birth. But I wonder how others will handle this one.
Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

This does not say John was the firstborn among many brethren. Jesus was. If John was born again in the womb, would that not have made him Christian before Christ? Ask also, when did the Holy Spirit first indwell, i.e. take up residence, in believers? Before Jesus was born? Before he shed blood?

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News Item10/30/13 3:22 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
So if you are saying that a transmigration of souls is an incorrect doctrine? I agree with you. I'm sure many will note that John the Baptist, while in his mother's womb, leapt for joy when Mary showed up, therefore he was born again in the womb. So, when he was physically born, it would have been his second birth.
Ah yes! This is exactly what I am thinking, Frank.
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