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Churches Remembering Martin Luther With Reformation Sunday Observance
Nearly five centuries ago in Central Europe, an unknown Augustinian monk decided to nail 95 theses to a church door, sparking a religious revolution felt to the present day.
Reformation Day, the anniversary of when Martin Luther began the Protestant Reformation, is an observance remembered by hundreds of American churches in the modern day. While the exact date of Luther's call to theological debate was Oct. 31, or the Eve of All Saints' Day, many Protestant congregations choose to observe the occasion on the last Sunday in the month. This year, Reformation Sunday will fall on Oct. 27, with Protestant denominations such as Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Baptists drawing attention to the past....
Hi JS, the content of my posts were gleaned from Luthers own writings and anything inferred is just obvious conclusion based on his doctrinal stance. The fact of the matter though is that I really have no idea who is or was saved or not. I used to think I could sit back and point fingers, judging them by their fruits alone, but I no longer believe it's that black and white. We see what we see, but we can't see into the heart. We see what we see, but we can't see the struggles or how God is dealing with each person. We see what we see, but what we see as bad could be God working in that person who once was terrible, and on their way to even better, though we can see it with our eyes. Each one of us is so uniquely different, and only God knows what's going on within each individual heart. Each one of us have our struggles along with various life impediments, such as, emotional and mental disturbances, childhood trauma, various disorders, abuse, genetic carryovers, environmental factors, physiological deficiencies, etc, etc. that we have to deal with and overcome. My point is that we are so very unique in God's eyes, and since only He knows what's deep within the heart, as opposed to us only being able to see what's happening on the outside, I try real hard not to judge any
John Y, I can't for the life of me understand why you would Luthers beliefs as a reason to remain in a Catholic church, when Luther LEFT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Also I find it a bit silly to believe every doctrine he taught was Scriptural because he had the Holy Spirit. Only God is infallible. No doubt Luther is a hero of the faith, but he wasn't without error either, just like everybody else. So John Y, you need to use Scripture to justify remaining in the RCC, and not a mans belief, and a man that left the RCC I might add.
I agree with your comments Chris, but how do we know any one is saved? Was John Bunyan saved or CH Surgeon saved? Am I saved? Are you saved?
WE can all be sure that 'we' of course are saved, but doubt the testimonies of others who as you say God used to spearhead the reformation. Of course only God is infallible, but I believe He will usually make it plain if a person is saved or not... especially those used to bless the church!
Luther was at the very tip of the spear of the Reformation. He was a mighty man of God, so wonder Chris what you have read from Luther's own pen?
No one doubts he was a great sinner and held some false views but what if you or I were placed in his shoes in 1517
Speaking for myself, I've never questioned Luthers salvation...only God knows. I was trying to make a very seperate, distinct point in that Luther, although used by God to spearhead the reformation, did not exit or remain error free in his doctrines. I was stressing this because he seems to hold fast to Luther, one of his family members, and a lone verse or two of Scripture for all truth. The people here have proven over and over again, using the Bible and Romes own words to condemn them. They have used the Bible alone and Romes own words to show him why no truly born again person, after knowing the truth, and being led by the holy Spirit could possibly remain within and subject to such a diabolical system. So anyway, was Luther saved? I don't know...I hope he was, but I don't comment on these things or pass judgements. If I ever do, I hope someone will correct me.
John Yurich USA wrote: Luther was guided by the Holy Spirit.
Using Luther to justify your posts has a major problem.
If Luther was guided by the HS then the RC mass houses remain in spiritual darkness as Rome concluded Luther's understanding of Justification= anathema and self deception
Very simple JY.
'The doctrine of justification by faith alone was considered by Luther and his followers as an incontrovertible dogma, as the foundation rock of the Reformation, as an "article by which the Church must stand or fall"....***every Catholic*** is forced to conclude ***that Protestantism*** from its very beginning and foundation is based on ***self-deception*** RC ENCYCLOPEDIA SAYS
Luther was right---"article by which the Church must stand or fall" SO JY, where does this leave you? Standing or fallen? Do you accept Luther on Justification or Rome?
When you are clear you will see that Luther was right and Rome is wrong.
Hi John, let me be perfectly clear about something...whether I am talking about Luther, the doctrines of the Roman system, etc, etc, I never post opinions or 3rd hand information...ever. Every post I make concerning these matters is based on pure research and I get my information from their very own writings and personal quotes. I don't make any of this stuff up and never would just to make a point, or whatever. I can always prove every single thing I post concerning these two matters. You can't claim this or that just because it's either what you want to believe, or what you've heard, or whatever, but rather, everything should be based on cold, hard, provable facts.
Christopher000 wrote: Let me list just a few fun facts concerning Luther. First though, I will say that God can use anyone, and did use Luther to spearhead the reformation, but he did not come out error free. Luther was a strong anti-semite. Luther had his own version of the ten commandments. Like Rome, he erased #2, the one about idolotry, and replaced it by splitting 10 into 2 halves. Luther did not believe that the Bible was inerrant and hated the epistle of James, put it after Revelation and didnt believe it should even be in the bible. Luther did not believe in grace alone and faith alone. He instead favored adding baptism and sacraments as being necessary for salvation-small catecism of 1529. There is much more, but these few facts begin to tell a story. I'm not saying he was saved or wasn't, only God knows, but what I am saying is that he wasn't without error...provable error, so he shouldn't be used by anyone to justify remaining within the Roman system, or as a backup to argue their born again status.
Luther in his writings stated that he believed in grace alone and faith alone. If Luther was Born Again then every doctrine he started the Lutheran Church with is scriptural since Luther was guided by the Holy Spirit.
Jim Lincoln wrote: John Y., why don't you stand up in your Romish Church and summarize the following as what you believe, '...Martin Luther, a Doctor in Bible at the University of Wittenberg, began to teach that salvation is a gift of God's grace, attainable only through faith in Jesus, who in humility paid for sin. Along with the doctrine of justification, the Reformation promoted a higher view of the Bible. As Martin Luther said, "The true rule is this: God's Word shall establish articles of faith, and no one else, not even an angel can do so." These two ideas in turn promoted the concept of the priesthood of all believers....' excerpt from Christianity in the 16th century, I would like to hear if your priest embraces you, and says, "Well, spoken my son!"
It is no business of my priest what my beliefs are and I don't like to speak in front of a group.
Nobody is perfect. Luther was not perfect. (Even) Calvin was not perfect. Honest.
But Luther is a great deal closer to Christ than all the Roman Catholics ever will or can be.
"Does it follow from: 'turn ye' that therefore you can turn? Does it follow from "'Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart' (Deut 6.5) that therefore you can love with all your heart? What do arguments of this kind prove, but the 'free-will' does not need the grace of God, but can do all things by its own power...But it does not follow from this that man is converted by his own power, nor do the words say so; they simply say: "if thou wilt turn, telling man what he should do. When he knows it, and sees that he cannot do it, he will ask whence he may find ability to do it..." 164 (Martin Luther).
John Y., why don't you stand up in your Romish Church and summarize the following as what you believe, '...Martin Luther, a Doctor in Bible at the University of Wittenberg, began to teach that salvation is a gift of God's grace, attainable only through faith in Jesus, who in humility paid for sin. Along with the doctrine of justification, the Reformation promoted a higher view of the Bible. As Martin Luther said, "The true rule is this: God's Word shall establish articles of faith, and no one else, not even an angel can do so." These two ideas in turn promoted the concept of the priesthood of all believers....' excerpt from Christianity in the 16th century, I would like to hear if your priest embraces you, and says, "Well, spoken my son!"
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. (2 Timothy 2:15, 16 KJV)
GsTexas wrote: So because I stand against an evil institution that blasphemes our Lord Jesus Christ I'm of the flesh?
Don't let Steve get to ya. He's obviously bitter about something and seems to get a boost out of accusing God fearing Christians of being unregenerate. He needs our pity and prayers for whatever is ailing him (John Yurich is the only one he has ever openly accepted on this forum as a brother in Christ so you figure it out).
I never attacked Luther, though he was in error in many aspects. I simply was pointing out the absurdity of churches who work hand in hand with catholics, observing the reformation. Kinda like in Galatians when Paul had to get on to the Jews for wanting to back to the Law.
Decades ago, when I was member of the United Methodist Church, (I invite Methodists to come out of that too, United Methodists at the End of the Mainline ) and some years before that, I should have in hindsight saw the severe deterioration of the UMC when it stopped observing Reformation Sunday. I suppose it was inevitable since the UMC is the fruit of the Anglican Church which is the fruit of the Romish Church -- a lot of bad fruit has come from that barren tree--so when saved, my eyes were more fully opened to many things. So Reformation Sunday is a good time for churches to reflect on the thought, Christian and Catholics -- never together!
I see the Roman Catholic (antichrist) Church is still pronouncing anathemas on God's people. Not that they have the power to do so, but they would like to hoodwink God's elect in the same way they have hoodwinked the unregenerate.
I thought perhaps Vatican 11 would have softened a few Catholic hearts, but nay lad, they are as hard as ever towards those who take the biblical position on salvation, which is, "Christ in you, the hope of glory", attained through faith alone in Christ alone, by God's grace to his elect alone, and thus to God alone be ALL the glory.
Okay, so the RCC formed a party to counter the Reformation, to get people back under their wing and control. But they will not get so far as to deceive God's elect, because God's people have the Spirit for guidance, and they can discern the voice of a stranger. Oh, and the RCC has a VERY STRANGE voice. It's an evil, sirenny sort of voice, not at all like the voice of The Good Shepherd. No Sir!!
Dorcas wrote: Gs...some of us folk here on this board have been saved out of Romanism. I have been quite vocal as others have concerning that satanic system. But.....some who post here have deliberately twisted what we say to make it seem that we hate roman catholic people. Most of us have family or friends that are still in that wicked web of lies,and our most ferverant prayers to God are that He would open their blind eyes and unstop their deaf ears. But..a few on this board continue to accuse us as hating RC people. Once again SteveR....it is the wicked system not the people that is abhorred.So stop with your hateful posts. You will give an account to Almighty God!
When you guys are so belligerent that you attack Reformation heros like Martin Luther, its pretty clear where you are coming from...and more importantly where you are going.
Gs...some of us folk here on this board have been saved out of Romanism. I have been quite vocal as others have concerning that satanic system. But.....some who post here have deliberately twisted what we say to make it seem that we hate roman catholic people. Most of us have family or friends that are still in that wicked web of lies,and our most ferverant prayers to God are that He would open their blind eyes and unstop their deaf ears. But..a few on this board continue to accuse us as hating RC people. Once again SteveR....it is the wicked system not the people that is abhorred.So stop with your hateful posts. You will give an account to Almighty God!