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As headlines go, it's certainly an eye-catching one. "Scientists Prove Existence of God," German daily Die Welt wrote last week.
But unsurprisingly, there is a rather significant caveat to that claim. In fact, what the researchers in question say they have actually proven is a theorem put forward by renowned Austrian mathematician Kurt G√∂del -- and the real news isn't about a Supreme Being, but rather what can now be achieved in scientific fields using superior technology.
When G√∂del died in 1978, he left behind a tantalizing theory based on principles of modal logic -- that a higher being must exist. The details of the mathematics involved in G√∂del's ontological proof are complicated, but in essence the Austrian was arguing that, by definition, God is that for which no greater can be conceived. And while God exists in the understanding of the concept, we could conceive of him as greater if he...
The lost world knows there is a God, they simply hold the truth in unrighteousness.(Romans 1:18). Until they are convicted of their sins by the Holy Spirit, and realize that only the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross can save them, they will remain dead in their trespasses, and deny Christ in either thought or deed.
"By contrast, Scripture speaks of ‚Äúknowing‚ÄĚ God as the spiritual person‚Äôs ideal: namely, the fullness of a faith-relationship that brings salvation and eternal life and generates love, hope, obedience, and joy. (See, for example, Exod. 33:13; Jer. 31:34; Heb. 8:8-12; Dan. 11:32; John 17:3; Gal. 4:8-9; Eph. 1:17-19; 3:19; Phil. 3:8-11; 2 Tim. 1:12.) The dimensions of this knowledge are intellectual (knowing the truth about God: Deut. 7:9; Ps. 100:3); volitional (trusting, obeying, and worshiping God in terms of that truth); and moral (practicing justice and love: Jer. 22:16; 1 John 4:7-8). Faith-knowledge focuses on God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus, the mediator between God and us sinners, through whom we come to know his Father as our Father (John 14:6). Faith seeks to know Christ and his power specifically (Phil. 3:8-14). Faith‚Äôs knowledge is the fruit of regeneration, the bestowal of a new heart (Jer. 24:7; 1 John 5:20), and of illumination by the Spirit (2 Cor. 4:6; Eph. 1:17). The knowledge-relationship is reciprocal, implying covenantal affection on both sides: we know God as ours because he knows us as his (John 10:14; Gal. 4:9; 2 Tim. 2:19)." (J.I.Packer)
Loader wrote: Faith is the gift of God. God does not provide this gift to the reprobate, unsaved, atheist, roman catholic or the free willer. Thus they can think what they will but are beyond the capability to 'prove' the existence of God.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Loader I will refer you to the part of definition of "Faith" that I put up in my first message, again. But atheists should come closer to the idea of God than what I thing you suggested:
Faith is the gift of God. God does not provide this gift to the reprobate, unsaved, atheist, roman catholic or the free willer. Thus they can think what they will but are beyond the capability to 'prove' the existence of God.
ps: Romans 1:20f is about their guilt not about their "faith."
Loader I will refer you to the part of definition of "Faith" that I put up in my first message, again. But atheists should come closer to the idea of God than what I thing you suggested:
Romans 1 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,---NASB
""And while God exists in the understanding of the concept, we could conceive of him as greater if he existed in reality. Therefore, he must exist.""
This atheist comes close to the truth - As close as God allows atheists to come in their complete ignorance of the truth. I wonder if he is enjoying hell? In the spiritual realm one of the most powerful 'hells' for the unbelievers will be the realisation that God exists.
"Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good."
" The assent of the understanding to any truth. Religious faith is assent to the truth of divine revelation and of the events and doctrines contained in it. This may be merely historical, without producing any effect on our lives and conversation; and it is then a dead faith, such as even the devils have. But a living or saving faith not only believes the great doctrines of religion as true, but embraces them with the heart and affections; and is thus the source of sincere obedience to the divine will, exhibited in the life and conversation. Faith in Christ is a grace wrought in the heart by the Holy Spirit, whereby we receive Christ as our Savior, our Prophet, Priest, and King, and love and obey him as such. This living faith in Christ is the means of salvation-not meritoriously, but instrumentally. Without it there can be no forgiveness of sins, and no holiness of life; and they who are justified by faith, live and walk by faith, Mr 16:16 Joh 3:15,16 Ac 16:31 1Jo 5:10." Amer. Tract Dict. 1859 excerpt on faith