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SATURDAY, OCT 26, 2013  |  40 comments  |  2 commentaries
Are Christian teens leaving the church because of unfulfilling youth groups?

Recent polls show Christian teenagers are turning away from the church – and some believe unfulfilling youth groups and parents' over-dependence on them may have something to do with it.

According to a survey sponsored by the US-based National Center for Family-Integrated Churches (NCFIC), 55% of American Christians are concerned that modern youth ministry is shallow and too entertainment focused.

Over a third (37%) even agreed that youth group programmes are not actually biblical.

The study asked the views of 290,000 Christians over the course of five weeks and made the following findings: ...


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News Item10/30/13 6:56 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jucir wrote:
a) Not at all. ..
Thank you for your response. First, would have to say Mr. Spurgeon's calvinism maybe represent the gospel, but could not say that about Calvin's theology or practice. I would still say that being a calvinist or arminian in one's thinking does not make one more or less prone to leaving the church. (which is the point Michael was trying to make) You speak of election, which means you believe that it is unconditional, not based upon whether the redeemed individual adapts a calvanistic or arminian theology. I would venture to say that most Christians have no idea whether they are calvinistic or arminian, and either have no clue or general misconceptions as to what those terms mean.

I would still disagree that the true church is invisible, I don't see any indication in the Scripture that would teach anything other than the church is a living group of believers fighting under the banner of the Captain of their salvation. Those who passed on before us have already fought the good fight of faith and have entered into their rest, but they were a visible presence in the midst of a crooked and perverse world among whom they shined as lights and beacons into the darkness of this world system.

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News Item10/30/13 10:48 AM
Jucir  Find all comments by Jucir
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
a) Do you honestly think that being a Calvinist makes one immune from succumbing to the desires of the flesh?

b) You also stated that the church was invisible, how do you reconcile that with letting our light shine ....

c) (unless u r SteveR)that recorded in this thread

d) You are cutting down a faithful servant of the Lord

e) I have to say with God's saints of old that I am vile

a) Not at all. I simply know as Mr Spurgeon stated that "Calvinism is the Gospel.

b) True Church is invisible. None can know who the elect are. Many churches today are popish, Arminian or cult. The true Church IN Christ are God's elect chosen from the foundation of the world. They are invisible to human perception - Otherwise the cults would change.

c) No. SteveR is a RCC sympathiser thus he actively denies the truth and allows them to go to hell by way of idolatry, blasphemy, heresy et al.

d) No. I tell the truth which contradicts his theories. The end result by the grace of God may be bringing him to the truth.

e) You qualify the term servant (Christ server) with "unprofitable" That suggests that which may serve Christ is unprofitable???

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News Item10/30/13 10:05 AM
get real | earth  Find all comments by get real
Just listen to David McManus of Berean Baptist Church pimp for his job ...
he admits youth groups are unbiblical says if he don't defend them he is out of a job, and then defends the undefendable ...

this is how the apostasy is in america ... bunch of wimps and yes men... 10 shekels and a shirt men ... capons who wont leave a cushy job and be rugged... when the torture of the tribulation starts where do you think these "women" will be?

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News Item10/30/13 12:34 AM
Joshua | Milton Florida  Find all comments by Joshua
If they don't feel God in church,
It's gonna be hard to make them believe that it's all true.
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News Item10/29/13 6:07 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
For the attitude you display I am surprised at you lack of knowledge of the Scripture. I would suggest you read Luke 17:1-10 and then ask yourself have you done ALL that it your duty to do to God. You first statement that the good brother Mike made a comment about was that the only young people who leave the church would be Arminian in belief. Do you honestly think that being a Calvinist makes one immune from succumbing to the desires of the flesh? You also stated that the church was invisible, how do you reconcile that with letting our light shine so that men may see our good works and glorify our heavenly Father. You only have as far a I can see you only have the two post (unless u r SteveR)that recorded in this thread, so we must take what you say at face value. You are cutting down a faithful servant of the Lord in brother Michael Hranek, Check out Ephesians 4:29.

You asked about me, I must confess I am not worthy of the least of God's favor. I deserve nothing but the hottest, darkest, deepest part of an eternal hell. I am less than the least of all saints and must mourn daily (even then it is not enough) my lack of conformity to the image of Christ. I have to say with God's saints of old that I am vile,a worm and undeserving recipient of the grace of God.

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News Item10/29/13 2:17 PM
Jucir  Find all comments by Jucir
Michael Hranek wrote:
Really? Think thorough this honestly and tell me, 'If a good Calvinist/Reformed is NOT being fed the word of God in his/her local church, where the leadership is in error, where the membership is (ab)used by those who throw their position as Pastor or Elder around, where the leadership is off in its own clique and the sheep
As per usual Michael you Arminians always leave God out of the equation. Try to see that the Bible teaches that God governs the life of HIS elect and the life of HIS Church. The result of which is glorious and praise worthy only of Christ.

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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
am so confused, I saw my reflection in the mirror when I shaved this morning, should I be concerned that my salvation is not genuine?
I have noticed your confusion before Unprof. What you see in the mirror is a depraved sinner. Concern for salvation must therefore be relevant. Unless you can't perceive the relevance of salvation being manifest??
BTW as a 'servant of Christ' why do you proclaim your life as being unprofitable?? Is there something you are not telling us??
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News Item10/28/13 10:52 PM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
Wow, Steve R, I did not know that about owls..verrry interesting. I never know what I'll learn on this forum, never boring that's for sure. : )
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News Item10/28/13 9:48 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
am so confused, I saw my reflection in the mirror when I shaved this morning, should I be concerned that my salvation is not genuine?
Depends on whether you use a sharpened edge version razor, which has produced properly and accurately shaven men for hundreds of years, or an electric per-version, which has been around barely a hundred years.
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News Item10/28/13 8:19 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Wow. Much thanks to Dolores, John UK and Dorcas for your very kind and gracious thoughts. Each of you have been big blessing to me and you are too kind with your words.

SteveR, thanks for the great laugh. Also, you post was most educational.

May God richly bless all of you.

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News Item10/28/13 7:40 PM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
Don't feel alone US I received my anathema on another thread today as did Gs Texas.
As John UK said par for the course.
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News Item10/28/13 6:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Personally, I regard Unprofitable Servant very highly, and it is a very rare occasion when I disagree with what he says. Most profitable, and a good brother in the Lord, not afraid to speak the truth in love.

I guess we're used to receiving anathemas from the RCC and its adherents. It's no bother, really, just par for the course.

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News Item10/28/13 5:10 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Dolores L wrote:
Unprofitable Servant..you remind me of a wise old owl (
AGREE

The demon goddess Lilith is represented throughout history as an owl. The owl has been a symbol of wisdom, Occult knowledge, & shamanism since the OT. Molech too to this day is still symbolised as an owl.

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News Item10/28/13 4:04 PM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
Unprofitable Servant..you remind me of a wise old owl (well, not old exactly but mature) sitting in a tree quietly watching and listening to all the chatter going on beneath kinda like Whinnie the Pooh, Eeyore,and all the others always did..and then finally the owl speaks and it is so full of wisdom that you listen to his words and it makes so much more sense than the chatter going on below that you want to stop talking and listen..at least I do.
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News Item10/28/13 1:08 PM
jamesc | Fallbrook, CA  Find all comments by jamesc
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
am so confused, I saw my reflection in the mirror when I shaved this morning, should I be concerned that my salvation is not genuine?
ha ha ha !
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News Item10/28/13 12:51 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jucir wrote:
...
Its a good job the real Church is invisible.
am so confused, I saw my reflection in the mirror when I shaved this morning, should I be concerned that my salvation is not genuine?
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News Item10/28/13 11:55 AM
Jamesc | Fallbrook, Ca  Find all comments by Jamesc
Had some typos. A true believer can and should leave a church if that church is not acting or teaching as a church should, though there are no perfect churches. Nothing can separate a true believer from the true church.
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News Item10/28/13 11:50 AM
Jamesc | Fallbrook, Ca  Find all comments by Jamesc
Though one could take Jucir's comment as prideful (depending on your point of view), if you do not believe in the sovereign grace election of God, but instead believe in a type of synergistic salvation where man must make the first step and meet God half-way, or if you believe that man can lose his salvation, then you will be worried about these stats. Nobody in theor right ,ind would argue that a believer has a right to leave 'a' church if that church is corrupt or does not feed its sheep. That is not the issue. The issue is will a true believer, a sheep of Christ, leave 'the' Church. From Scripture, the answer is no.
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News Item10/27/13 7:32 PM
Will | Mississippi  Find all comments by Will
Nicely and gracefully stated points Michael. I appreciate the comment
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News Item10/27/13 5:52 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Jucir wrote:
Only if they are Arminian.
Jucir
Really? Think thorough this honestly and tell me, 'If a good Calvinist/Reformed is NOT being fed the word of God in his/her local church, where the leadership is in error, where the membership is (ab)used by those who throw their position as Pastor or Elder around, where the leadership is off in its own clique and the sheep are left unloved and uncared for and to fed for themselves, where there is no heart for the lost, where there is essentially non-existent church-wide prayer might (just to consider) a good Calvinist/Reformed respectfully part company with such and seek out a faithful congregation to worship and serve God as part of where they would be loved and fed the word of God and encouraged (not exploited) in the obedience of faith by those in leadership?

IMHO when the issues are all laid at the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ what will be of importance is our faithfulness to Him far more than the issue of Arminian vs. Calvinists that so many have got bound up in.

So please do seek to be faithful to Him and if I might, please do not let "Calvinism" be a thing of pride to you and a stumbling block to others.

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News Item10/27/13 5:22 PM
GsTexas | Texas  Find all comments by GsTexas
True Jucir, the church is the body of Christ, or in other words true born again Christians. So in essence, a true Christian can not actually leave the "church". A lost person however can leave the church building, never to return, which is what is happening in this article.
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