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John MacArthur vs. Mark Driscoll: Megachurch pastors clash over charismatic theology
Megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll claims that his books were confiscated at the Strange Fire conference put on by another megachurch pastor John MacArthur.
Driscoll, who pastors Mars Hill Church in Seattle, is a reformed pastor who is more open to charismatic theology. MacArthur, who pastors Grace Community Church in southern California and has been named in the top 10 most influential pastors in a survey by LifeWay Research, has long criticized the charismatic movement, calling it â€śa farce and a scam.â€ť...
Galatians 1:8-9 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto to you,let him be accursed.9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other Gospel than that ye have received,let him be accursed."
Clear as day right there John Y. Catholicism teaches another Gospel, an unbiblical works Gospel to be exact. Paul even said the same thing twice, which means its real important to discern false teachers. Catholicism is accursed by Paul's (Actually Gods) standard, and you need to depart from it.
Ah, John Y., I'm going to try to remember to tell you when Gil Rugh's sermon for this Sunday is up! but dwell on this:
Hebrews 10 26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY." And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE." 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.---NASB
You are trampling on the true sacrifice of Christ everytime you participate in, The Mass: Miracle or Mendacity?. Everyone who sees you think you are participating in the Romish Mass, if you aren't your a hypocrite to both the RCC & Christians :ale
Thanks for the response, John. Actually, I could have written it out myself, pretty much verbatim, since we've been through this so many times. Unfortunately, you never seem to grasp what's being said; the big picture, that is. I know you think we are nuts because of the fact that you use Luther as your guide and your brother (?) as your witness and telling you that you're doing everything just right, but I hope your eyes open up to see clearly one day. My opinion is that you hold onto any literary or verbal scrap you can find to justify remaining within such a provably false and diabolical system, solely because of your clinical shyness. Seems to me that you will listen to anyone who justifies your postition and caters to your comfort level and anyone who doesn't, look out...they're spawns of Satan, non-Christian, and divisive. All I can say is that I hope you see the big picture one day, but if you don't open your mind to the possibility that so many could possibly be right, well, Christ won't force it on you. I wish you would do your own serious research, stop pretending that what is going on in the church isn't, at least entertain the remote possibility that we are right, and stop using single, out of context verses to rationalize and justify. Ok, hope you have a d
John Yurich USA wrote: Well I don't believe that the Mass is a sacrifice. I don't believe the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion which states that Jesus is present in, with and under the elements of bread and wine. When I receive the bread and wine in the RCC I pretend that the bread and wine is just as the Lutheran Church teaches Holy Communion to be. I don't take part in the unscriptural parts to the Mass. So don't say that I do.
John, the are two words in your post that most importantly describe your understanding of the faith: "I pretend."
Christopher000 wrote: The Mass, according to Rome, aside from being an indulgence, is a literal and continual re-sacrifice of Christ because His work on the cross was not sufficient to forgive all future sin. During the Mass, the priest, being given a special power that can never be taken away, has the ability to, according to Rome, pull Christ from Heaven and put Him into wafer up to 1000x/day. This wafer is then prayed to and worshiped because, according to Rome, the wafer has become Christ. If I say I am born again, trusting in Christ alone for my salvation, am I really if I continue to take part in, and defend these practices, or am I fooling myself? Personally speaking...I would run. If they're not for Christ, they're against Him, no matter what they might say. By their fruits...
Well I don't believe that the Mass is a sacrifice. I don't believe the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion which states that Jesus is present in, with and under the elements of bread and wine. When I receive the bread and wine in the RCC I pretend that the bread and wine is just as the Lutheran Church teaches Holy Communion to be. I don't take part in the unscriptural parts to the Mass. So don't say that I do.
John Y, how is the RCC not satanic, when nothing they teach is Biblical. Also, you should consider the millions of innocent lives tortured and killed by this bloodthirsty religion of Satan. True Christianity would never commit such atrocities.
John Yurich USA wrote: Romans 10:9 gives the only requirement for salvation..
reposting a previous reply, seeing that the same response from John Y keeps coming up,
Only if the Bible just has ONE verse about salvation. Note what the apostle Paul said, seeing he,through inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is the author of Romans, Acts 26:17-20 (NKJV)
I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, TO WHOM I NOW SEND YOU, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, THAT THEY MIGHT RECEIVE FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND AN INHERITANCE AMONG THOSE WHO ARE SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN MEâ€™ â€śTherefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT, TURN TO GOD, AND DO WORKS BEFITTING REPENTANCE "
That is the gospel Paul said he declared every place he went. Now ask yourself, how does that line up with what you have been saying?
And as long as we are talking about Romans, how does what your stated belief line up with Romans 6?
John Y, yes you are calling people here insane, etc. as we are the only ones reading your
The Mass, according to Rome, aside from being an indulgence, is a literal and continual re-sacrifice of Christ because His work on the cross was not sufficient to forgive all future sin. During the Mass, the priest, being given a special power that can never be taken away, has the ability to, according to Rome, pull Christ from Heaven and put Him into wafer up to 1000x/day. This wafer is then prayed to and worshiped because, according to Rome, the wafer has become Christ.
If I say I am born again, trusting in Christ alone for my salvation, am I really if I continue to take part in, and defend these practices, or am I fooling myself? Personally speaking...I would run. If they're not for Christ, they're against Him, no matter what they might say. By their fruits...
CV wrote: I am a proponent of easy believism because that's all you come in with.
How about coming in with a yoke round your neck?
Matthew 11:25-30 KJV 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
How easy is it to believe without the revelation of God?
Simple mental assent didn't save anyone yet.
Conversion means a complete change, and the Lord makes us willing for that.
What do you do with an adulterous fornicator who comes in your church, a known thief and blasphemer, a gun-toting murderer, a covetous idolator? Do you work with the Spirit and try to convince him of sin and death and judgment?
John Yurich USA wrote: The only thing that is required for salvation according to the Bible is to trust in Jesus alone for salvaiton.
IF you are trusting in Jesus alone then can you kindly explain your understanding of the Righteousness of God revealed in the gospel...how does that righteousness apply to you and how are you justified? Sane Evangelical Protestants can answer in a few seconds, but can you
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 3:25-26 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God, To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
How sad your profession is. You do not know or obey the gospel of Jesus Christ.you repeat the same bible verse over and over again and think you are a born again individual. Examine yourself by Gods Word the bible to see if you be in the faith !
John Yurich USA wrote: The RCC is not a satanic religion. Luther was not even insane enough to believe that the RCC is a satanic religion. And normal Evangelical Protestants are not insane enough to believe that the RCC is a satanic religion.
"Since the papal church not only neglects the command of Christ but even compels the people to ignore it and to act against it, it is certain that it is not Christâ€™s church but the synagogue of Satan which prescribes sin and prohibits righteousness. It clearly and indisputably follows that it must be the abomination of Antichrist and the furious harlot of the devil". (What Luther Says, II: 1019)
"The iniquities of her practice and the enormities of her doctrine almost surpass belief! Popery is as much the masterpiece of Satan as the Gospel is the masterpiece of God! There can scarcely be imagined anything of devilish craftiness or Satanic wickedness which could be compared with herâ€”she is unparalleled as the queen of iniquity." C H Spurgeon
You don't appear to know what Evangelical Protestants have always believed, unless you think the greatest preacher since Paul was insane-Spurgeon.
wrote: How sad JY your profession is. Calling Christs Saints names and having no true love for Him or His commands.
I didn't refer to anybody on here insane specifically by name or else the post would have been deleted by the moderators. Nowhere in the Bible is it commanded for salvation that one who trusts in Jesus alone for salvation must attend a certain church or they are not saved. Church attendance is totally superfluous to salvation. The only thing that is required for salvation according to the Bible is to trust in Jesus alone for salvaiton. But no, you and some of the other Evangelical Protestants on here believe that if one who trusts in Jesus alone for salvation does not attend an Evangelical Protestant Church that they are not saved.
CS wrote: There is no such thing as a BORN AGAIN person remaining in an blasphemous satanic religion!!!!
Romans 10:9 gives the only requirement for salvation and that is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation without anything else such as church attendance at an Evangelical Protestant Church. But you believe that there are three requirements for salvation namely to trust in Jesus alone for salvation, leave a Non Evangelical church and unite with an Evangelical Protestant Church. The RCC is not a satanic religion. Luther was not even insane enough to believe that the RCC is a satanic religion. And normal Evangelical Protestants are not insane enough to believe that the RCC is a satanic religion.