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Choice News FRIDAY, OCT 18, 2013  |  59 comments  |  6 commentaries
John McArthur vs. The Charismatic Church

Michael Brown, writer and journalist for Charisma News and Charisma Magazine, has penned a piece asking John MacArthur, world renown bible teacher, Pastor and author, to recant his strong stand against the Charismatic Church and reign in the harsh words that he uses to describe their doctrine, dogma and philosophy.

As always my desire is for you to know the truth and many of you are already aware that I am NOT a fan of the Charismatic Church or their doctrines. Of course theirs is not the only doctrine gone astray from scripture, but since this is the topic at hand, I will stick to the Charismatic Church vs. the ultra-Conservative John MacArthur. According to Michael Brown, it is now an all out war.

John MacArthur points out in his book Charismatic Chaos and in his upcoming book Strange Fire that the Apostolic gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer in operation or are a part of the modern day ...


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News Item10/30/13 9:46 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Mike wrote:
Go back over this thread. You'll find it was haughtily implied that I fit into the category of worldly and wicked. I made no comment of haughtiness on your part. Is everything about you? Perhaps easily offended does apply? But as you say, I don't see your heart. Nor you mine, so "ignorant and arrogant ad hominems" might be overkill for someone who is deeply concerned about edification and unloving dialogue. The funny part is, I don't recall many complaints about nasty posts on my part.
If you review the thread, you will find the following led to your hurt feelings
1) "Christian Zionism" was labeled an oxymoron
2) I agreed with the Pastor
3) MikePA responded with a common worldly response.
4) You sympathized with MikePA
5) I reminded you that the world also responds to Christian admonishment with the accusation that Christians arent 'loving when they point out sin'

There is NOTHING Christian about taking the scissors to the Bible, encouraging unbelieving Israelis to shed blood OR dispossessing Palestinians from their homes. And if your feeling are hurt, then its for the better because you might learn something

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News Item10/30/13 8:42 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Michael theWayPA wrote:
No Mike, I'm a complete idiot and have exposed myself. I do think this website is a haven for ignorance in the comment lines, so that doesn't change. But I am a hypocrite on this matter, as you have so rightly pointed out, and I knew I was when I wrote it (at least to some extent). My apologies to you and perhaps I should just not comment anymore on this site, seeing that I am the perpetrator of my own criticism. Or at least be willing to see all the facts. So Mike, please forgive me, I am a complete moron (BTW, thank you for lovingly dealing with my stupidity)...
You should continue to comment, Michael, and be welcome to do so. The body is made up of many parts, all of which are needed, and none of which fit into the category of "moron" or "stupid." (1 Cor. 12)

As an aside, if you have ever sharpened iron, you know that the sharpening process often starts out a little harsh. As the iron develops a keen edge, a gentler touch is needed.

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News Item10/30/13 6:00 AM
Michael theWayPA | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Michael theWayPA
Mike wrote:
Go back over this thread. You'll find it was haughtily implied that I fit into the category of worldly and wicked. I made no comment of haughtiness on your part. Is everything about you? Perhaps easily offended does apply? But as you say, I don't see your heart. Nor you mine, so "ignorant and arrogant ad hominems" might be overkill for someone who is deeply concerned about edification and unloving dialogue. The funny part is, I don't recall many complaints about nasty posts on my part.
No Mike, I'm a complete idiot and have exposed myself. I do think this website is a haven for ignorance in the comment lines, so that doesn't change. But I am a hypocrite on this matter, as you have so rightly pointed out, and I knew I was when I wrote it (at least to some extent). My apologies to you and perhaps I should just not comment anymore on this site, seeing that I am the perpetrator of my own criticism. Or at least be willing to see all the facts. So Mike, please forgive me, I am a complete moron (BTW, thank you for lovingly dealing with my stupidity)...
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News Item10/29/13 11:24 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Michael the WayPA wrote:
Oh please, ignorant and unloving dialogue on this site is legion. Iron sharpening iron is meant to edify and build up those spoken to, not to jab and offend. Are we WANTING to offend our brothers and sisters or speak truth and let it offend? I think that we would all do well to remember that the other people talking on this site are REAL PEOPLE and not just bots who type words based on fault algorithms. BTW, so are you claiming I am worldly and haughty? What hubris! How can you possibly have this information? Do you see my heart, Mike? Are you in my living room right now as I type this? Please don't be so quick with ignorant and arrogant ad hominems...
Go back over this thread. You'll find it was haughtily implied that I fit into the category of worldly and wicked. I made no comment of haughtiness on your part. Is everything about you? Perhaps easily offended does apply? But as you say, I don't see your heart. Nor you mine, so "ignorant and arrogant ad hominems" might be overkill for someone who is deeply concerned about edification and unloving dialogue. The funny part is, I don't recall many complaints about nasty posts on my part.
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News Item10/29/13 8:43 PM
Michael the WayPA | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Michael the WayPA
Oh please, ignorant and unloving dialogue on this site is legion. Iron sharpening iron is meant to edify and build up those spoken to, not to jab and offend. Are we WANTING to offend our brothers and sisters or speak truth and let it offend? I think that we would all do well to remember that the other people talking on this site are REAL PEOPLE and not just bots who type words based on fault algorithms. BTW, so are you claiming I am worldly and haughty? What hubris! How can you possibly have this information? Do you see my heart, Mike? Are you in my living room right now as I type this? Please don't be so quick with ignorant and arrogant ad hominems...
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News Item10/28/13 1:47 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
SteveR wrote:
A good example of how the worldly respond when Christians admonish them for their wickedness
Among the worldly are the haughty and the easily offended. It might be better if both were to get over themselves. "Iron sharpeneth iron" hardly conveys a soft soothing picture.
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News Item10/28/13 9:52 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Mike wrote:
Good example
A good example of how the worldly respond when Christians admonish them for their wickedness
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News Item10/28/13 9:45 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Michael theWayPA wrote:
These message boards being a repository of loving dialogue that provoke intelligent thought and rational discussions between Christians is an oxymoron...
Good example
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News Item10/28/13 9:22 AM
Michael theWayPA | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Michael theWayPA
These message boards being a repository of loving dialogue that provoke intelligent thought and rational discussions between Christians is an oxymoron...
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News Item10/27/13 6:08 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Marok S. wrote:
Charismatic Christian is an oxymoron.
I reckon Jesus was quite charismatic.
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News Item10/27/13 5:12 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Dr. Ice.... That the Christian now inherits the distinctive Jewish promises is not taught in Scripture....
1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Is there another New Covenant promise just for ethnic Jews?

Jim, you're a nice guy but you need to stop letting hirelings lead you around by the nose.

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News Item10/27/13 4:48 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Rationalist wrote:
I actually heard Creflo Dollar Jr. say in one of his "sermons" that his listeners need to believe what they think they hear God saying to them in their spirit over what the Bible says...just sayyin - be discerning of who you listen to - God's Word, the Holy Bible, should rule over everything we hear...
Well golly gee Mister Douglas.
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News Item10/27/13 4:45 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Marok S., I tend to agree with you. For our non-dispensational users of SA, What does Christ as “true Israel” mean for the nation Israel?: a critique of the non-dispensational understanding (PDF). Besides Dr. Vlach's excellent article the one by Dr. Ice is well worth reading -- Is Modern Israel Fulfilling Prophecy? As Scofield said for introduction for Romans 11:
C. I. Scofield wrote:
That Israel has not been forever set aside is the theme of this chapter.
(1) The salvation of Paul proves that there is still a remnant (ro 11:1)
(2) The doctrine of the remnant proves it (ro 11:2-6).
(3) The present national unbelief was foreseen (ro 11:7-10).
(4) Israel's unbelief is the Gentile opportunity (ro 11:11-25).
(5) Israel is judicially broken off from the good olive tree, Christ (ro 11:17-22).
(6) They are to be grafted in again (ro 11:23,24).
(7) The promised Deliverer will come out of Zion and the nation will be saved (ro 11:25-29). That the Christian now inherits the distinctive Jewish promises is not taught in Scripture....
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News Item10/27/13 4:44 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Rationalist wrote:
I actually heard Creflo Dollar Jr. say in one of his "sermons" that his listeners need to believe what they think they hear God saying to them in their spirit over what the Bible says...just sayyin - be discerning of who you listen to - God's Word, the Holy Bible, should rule over everything we hear...
Well golly gee Mister Douglas.
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News Item10/27/13 3:58 PM
Marok S. | Ouc  Find all comments by Marok S.
Rev. Joel Garrett wrote:
Christian Zionism is an oxymoron.
Charismatic Christian is an oxymoron.
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News Item10/27/13 2:47 PM
Rationalist | Dallas  Find all comments by Rationalist
I actually heard Creflo Dollar Jr. say in one of his "sermons" that his listeners need to believe what they think they hear God saying to them in their spirit over what the Bible says...just sayyin - be discerning of who you listen to - God's Word, the Holy Bible, should rule over everything we hear...
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News Item10/27/13 9:25 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Rev. Joel Garrett wrote:
Christian Zionism is an oxymoron.
Amen Rev Garrett
While I have found a few with sincere faith in that camp, its essentially a faith desert. So much so I now use the term 'Kristian Zionist' when referencing them. The persecuted have become the persecutors....

May the LORD Bless your ministry in Nepal,
Steve

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News Item10/27/13 8:49 AM
Rev. Joel Garrett | Kathmandu, Nepal  Find all comments by Rev. Joel Garrett
Christian Zionism is an oxymoron.
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News Item10/27/13 7:57 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Patrick Halferty wrote:
How anyone can read 1 Corinthians 12-14 and then teach that charismatic gifts were never intended for the duration of the church age is a clear case of theological prejudice.
Patrick Halferty
theological prejudice would describe a lot of what is amiss in today's modern churches.

IMHO modern churches really don't want God as He really is a HOLY God coming and messing up what they want to do (or seek to get away with) - sure they would like to (ab)use God to promote their own agenda/opinions and advance and build their own kingdoms

Basically again IMHO we desperately need some serious REPENTANCE and fervent seeking of God to come and fix us until He makes us the people we ought to have been all along in our faith (The Faith He Himself authors in/by His word and His Spirit, the faith He Himself honors and rewards that bring Glory to His Holy Name and great Joy to His faithful children.

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News Item10/27/13 7:19 AM
Patrick Halferty | New Brunswick, Canada  Find all comments by Patrick Halferty
How anyone can read 1 Corinthians 12-14 and then teach that charismatic gifts were never intended for the duration of the church age is a clear case of theological prejudice.
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