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FRONT PAGE  |  5/23/2017
WEDNESDAY, OCT 16, 2013  |  146 comments
Conservative Catholics question Pope Francis’s approach
Rattled by Pope Francis’s admonishment to Catholics not to be “obsessed” by doctrine, his stated reluctance to judge gay people and his apparent willingness to engage just about anyone — including atheists — many conservative Catholics are doing what only recently seemed unthinkable: They are openly questioning the pope.

The wary traditionalists became critical when, in an interview a few weeks ago, Francis said Catholics shouldn’t be “obsessed” with imposing doctrines, including on gay marriage and abortion. Then earlier this month, Francis told an atheist journalist that people should follow good and fight evil as they “conceive” of them. These remarks followed an interview with journalists this summer aboard the papal airplane in which the pope declared that it is not his role to judge someone who is gay “if they accept the Lord and have goodwill.” ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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ABC News wrote:
Four former fraternity members from New York City's Baruch College pleaded guilty Monday to voluntary manslaughter for their roles in the hazing death of pledge Chun "Michael" Deng.
--A look back at Baruch College student’s hazing death.
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News Item5/10/17 2:19 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I was reading one article in the NY Times and then I saw this one -- quite interesting
NY Times wrote:
...prosecutors filed criminal charges on Friday against 18 Penn State students in the death of the man, Timothy Piazza.

The case offers the latest evidence of the harder line prosecutors have started taking when initiation rituals end in death from alcohol or physical abuse. At Baruch College, Northern Illinois University, Fresno State University and elsewhere, fraternity hazing deaths that might once have been labeled regrettable accidents have resulted in criminal charges against students.

--Prosecutors Taking Tougher Stance in Fraternity Hazing Deaths.

While there were links to all the schools listed in the excerpt I took from NY Times article, I included the one for Northern Ill. Uni. It always struck mes as being University of Nebraska-Lincoln (East). So, I couldn't pass up the opportunity.

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News Item5/9/17 12:06 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ABC News gave quite a bit of detail on the Pennsylvania State University frat scandal.
Emily Shapiro wrote:
The attorney for the family of Penn State fraternity pledge Timothy Piazza, who died after falling down stairs during a pledge ceremony at the frat house, called the actions of the fraternity brothers who didn't call for help the "worst possible debauchery and depravity that you could possibly have anywhere, let alone a college campus."
---Penn State frat's 'grotesque actions' were 'beyond human decency,' Piazza family attorney says
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News Item5/8/17 2:09 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Erik Ortiz wrote:
I've said this before: This didn't have to happen," Piazza's father, Jim Piazza, said at a news conference after the charges were announced. "This is the result of a feeling of entitlement, flagrant disobedience of the law and disregard for moral values that was then exacerbated by egregious acts of self-preservation. Again, this did not have to happen."

The State College-based school shut down the Beta chapter permanently following the Feb. 2 pledge event that led to Piazza's death. Police said he fell head first down 15 basement steps at around 11 p.m., but first responders were not called until almost 12 hours later.

---18 charged in death of fraternity pledge.

I am surprised that this young man was a member of a frat. Engineering students usually don't have the time and do have the good sense to stay away from such organizations. Also frats don't pur such a strong pressure on teachers in engineering departments to give out good grades. All excellent reasons for serious students to stay away from frats. I wonder if this frat is actually going to be closed down permanently?

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News Item3/21/17 8:18 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Hey, just some new stuff from Nebraska, it even involves Catholics Creighton's Phi Kappa Psi fraternity suspended until 2025. Apparently cutting students with a pocket knife is a no-no?

I seriously doubt this suspension will last to 2025, Frats and their alumni just give too much money.

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News Item3/16/17 3:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Clemson plans Greek life changes after troubled year Well this article was written in 2015, some of the frats mentioned in the article are still supposed to be on probation! Social frats bring in too much money to a school for them not to treat the frats with kid gloves. It is quite the intellectual school apparently.
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News Item3/3/17 3:06 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
My, John! a message that deals with the title article! By the way I'm not criticizing you for that at all, I just happen to use this thread for all my place to point out all the "wonderful" things social fraternities at colleges do!

But, no, the only way they can get rid of a Pope is to murder him, (see Was the Pope Murdered?. Pope Paul VI probably died of natural causes (?) in spite of the host of unsavory characters around him.) So, the leadership of the Vatican usually lucks out with unwanted Popes dying on them. Franny is smart, he stays away from places where he can be done in by the Curia.

So, John you're stuck with Francis, Sorry, conservative Catholics: The pope isn't retiring, the fairy princes that surround him, unless of course you Come out of the Catholic Church completely

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News Item3/3/17 2:20 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
All conservative Catholics want Francis to be replaced with a conservative who will tell the Bishops to tell Catholics who support abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control to either fall in line with Catholic teaching and be against abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control or be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. And you keep stating that liberal Catholics voted for Trump. Do you see how illogical that is to state that liberal Catholics voted for Trump? Liberal Catholics voted for Clinton and not for Trump.
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News Item3/3/17 1:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
One hopes this kid has enough sense to stay away from Frats at his new school, better his new school doesn't have any College student with "deadly" allergy hazed with peanut butter, mom claims.
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News Item2/9/17 2:09 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item5/9/16 6:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
A disorderly house? Police arrest fraternity president on felony charges -- and you didn't think, that "fun" things didn't happen in Lincoln Nebraska
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News Item3/11/16 9:33 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
once in a while I do put up an article that is relevant to the article that SA has, this is one of those times. Three years on, pope leaves Catholic conservatives marginalized. I found the article interesting , you might also.
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News Item3/6/16 8:14 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item11/3/15 12:42 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
While deciding what other stories about fraternities on the thread, I saw this, & I wonder what conservative Catholics think of this? Perhaps it's all right because the woman tried to convert hin to Catholicism?Tutor Offered Her Daughter to Notre Dame Athletes for Sex: Lawsuit
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News Item10/8/15 4:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
" The national office of Alpha Tau Omega fraternity has revoked and closed the IU chapter following allegations of hazing." What they did was so filthy I can't put up a link to it
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News Item9/15/15 4:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Fata, the Washington Post is probably one of the more conservative newspapers, but perhaps doesn't have the GOP endorsement. I assume SA has to get articles where they can find them, and one can hardly consider this a flattering article to His Unholiness. You just can't say enough bad things about The Papacy or Jesuit Casuistry this source has a couple of excellent articles on the Jesuits.

Well, Fata, my last post had really nothing to do with the article I accidentally put it in the wrong thread or something happened anway. This thread happens to be dumping ground for my long running theme on the behavior of social fraternities at universities, and the elimination of them and So many Romists support these college criminal organizations this is one of the natural places to put such articles.

But anyway, Conservative Catholics are not happy with Franny, but he will pull the Romish Church in his direction for awhile. Hopefully this will add to Catholicism Crisis of Faith and have even more people leave the Romish Church

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News Item9/15/15 3:18 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
If a pastor has "spare" time to talk about politics in detail. Tell him to him to open up a conservative Church of Christ. As I pointed out in =http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1622217/posts (The Purpose of the Local Church and Community Issues). The preceding is a short html file, so not hard to read, or read the summary to http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=10120711555910 (How the Church Relates to the Kingdom) The summary is quite complete in itself, The issue is!

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."---NASB

Any church that doesn't have those verses as its first priority, doesn't really deserve the name of Christian Church.

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News Item9/15/15 2:24 PM
Fata Morgana | Land of Nod  Find all comments by Fata Morgana
Good to see something posted from the liberal DC newspaper here, not that I agree with it, but it's good to see what the other side is thinking, since I gave up on watching the Nightly News Report on TV.
Conservative Catholics? Never heard much of them, nor seen them. Most Catholics vote Democrat; they helped make Obama the President the last 2 times.

Only when some conservatives got into their mix and raised the abortion issue w/Kerry, distributing flyers after mass outside their buildings, did they vote differently.

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News Item9/15/15 1:29 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item9/14/15 6:12 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Oh Oh, I found something very appropriate to this thread. It mentions conservative Catholics, and it sure mentions fundamentalist Protestants. Pope Francis Calls Right-Wing Christian Fundamentalism a Sickness

When it comes to this, he's right for the wrong reasons

Eschatology="The doctrine of the last or final things, as death, judgment, and the events therewith connected."

Soteriology="2. (Theol.) The doctrine of salvation by Jesus Christ."

The Christian Right Movement is a disaster for the mission of Christians! ' "The Reconstructionist movement and its allies and offshoots, by substituting political and cultural action for the proclamation of the Gospel, by substituting eschatology for soteriology, and by mangling the Gospel itself, have become tools of Romanist political action" (3/02, The Trinity Review).' excerpt from, Notes on Reconstructionism.

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