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FRONT PAGE  |  7/30/2015
SATURDAY, SEP 14, 2013  |  16 comments
Should Christians abandon state marriage?

Government doesn’t belong in the marriage business.

That’s what a chorus of prominent libertarian, conservative and Catholic voices have been saying for some time. They argue that there’s no good reason for the state to regulate marriage and predict that making marriage a purely private affair will bring a blissful end to the same-sex marriage debate.

If the state isn’t defining marriage, it can’t redefine it either, they reason.

That sounds good to some, but privatizing marriage would make matters worse, say experts in law and family policy. Marriage is a fundamental public institution that demands a state role, they say, warning that private marriage would jeopardize children and give marriage the same status as alternatives like polygamy. ...


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News Item9/17/13 2:07 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
So, what if the Social Security is Biblical? Neither is the U.S., it is a secular country. State marriages, can or cannot be recognized by churches, though I would think mine does, If a man and woman are living together...(well that is a far as need to go, there married, as far as I'm concerned and the state should enforce laws to protect children and spouses in such unions), but if they have been formally married by a governmental agency, and made the necessary pledges, then they are married, and should be recognized as such by churches.

By the way, some churches are closely linked to commercialism and politics, While the Scientologists and Mormons are well-known abusers of their tax-exempt status, one shouldn't forget the Romish Church either, e.g., Is the Vatican an Evil Organization?.

Of course Christians should be married in a Christian Church, in fact if that is going to be the standard, the above mentioned, Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses ((maybe HTML)PDF) should also be remarried in a Christian Church?

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News Item9/16/13 9:13 PM
Thomas the Doubter | Ohio  Find all comments by Thomas the Doubter
John, if these churches are "part of gods plan" will he not provide the tax money for them, or does that only happen in the bible. Just wondering....
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News Item9/16/13 7:41 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Thomas the Doubter wrote:
John, what makes you think that these "churches" are necessary? Do you believe that god is unable to provide for them? Do you know what you believe, or do you just parrot what others tell you?
Dolt
I was referring to rural Baptist Churches in the country that are small. Small country Baptist Churches don't have enough revenue from their members to pay taxes if their tax exempt status was withdrawn.
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News Item9/16/13 6:48 AM
Thomas the Doubter | Ohio  Find all comments by Thomas the Doubter
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News Item9/16/13 4:48 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Thomas the Doubter wrote:
John Y, are you judge and jury on what is insane? Lol
It does not take a rocket scientist to ascertain what kind of statements are insane. And when you make statements like you did at 8:26 AM on 14 Septemeber then there is no other conclusion to make but that those statements are insane. Small churches would not be able to afford to pay taxes if their tax exempt status was withdrawn. That is why I asked you why don't you think before making such insane statements. If you had thought about the small churches not being able to pay taxes if their tax exempt status was withdrawn then you would not have stated that tax exempt status for churches should be gotten rid of.
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News Item9/15/13 4:23 PM
Thomas the Doubter | Ohio  Find all comments by Thomas the Doubter
John Y, are you judge and jury on what is insane? Lol
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News Item9/14/13 5:58 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
"...warning that private marriage would jeopardize children and give marriage the same status as alternatives like polygamy."

Oh, don't worry. That's coming soon anyway.

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News Item9/14/13 3:20 PM
Disestablishmentarianism  Find all comments by Disestablishmentarianism
Should Christians abandon state marriage?

Should Christians abandon state religion?

For example all the Liberal churches/Denominations who have recently emerged as accepting the rules of Sodom and Gomorrah and in agreement with the satanic perverted western governments.

State run church by the back door?

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News Item9/14/13 12:11 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Biblical pattern wrote:
God's pattern for marriage. Everything else weighs down the institution.
If you mean Protestants CONTINUING to sell the indulgence of divorce to grow their numbers, I agree. Otherwise please note what happened one generation later. The laws and customs of Labans people did play a role in the Biblical Pattern of My LORDs geneology

Genesis 29:23 And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her.

Genesis 29:24 And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for an handmaid.

Genesis 29:25 And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me?

Genesis 29:26 And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn.

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News Item9/14/13 12:01 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Fiat Funds wrote:
John Y, if you want to open that can of worms, Social Security isn't Biblical. The care of the Body of Christ was supposed to be covered by church, not the government - it is completely out of it's scope. So maybe the Christian community should refrain from desiring federal funds and instead turn back to the biblical model we see from OT to NT.
Their is no such thing a federal funds. If the government has money they got it from someone else. The money they have is not theirs, the money they take from you for social security (security is an oxymoron in this case) is YOUR money. You don't think we should be good stewards of the resources God has given us and get back to the money He has allowed us to earn? Most churches, and more than likely yours included, do not have a program in place to help those who are "surviving" on social security. I am not defending the system, government should not be there, but they are. We need to stop calling funds the federal government has taken from us, federal money.
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News Item9/14/13 11:16 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Fiat Funds wrote:
John Y, if you want to open that can of worms, Social Security isn't Biblical. The care of the Body of Christ was supposed to be covered by church, not the government - it is completely out of it's scope. So maybe the Christian community shoul refrain from desiring federal funds and instead turn back to the biblical model we see from OT to NT.
I agree that Social Security is not biblical. But remember every worker in the United States is required to put money from their pay check into Social Security.
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News Item9/14/13 10:27 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Thomas the Doubter wrote:
Cultural Christians should never have invited the state to sanction marriage in the first place. Churches should give up the ridiculous 501c's and such and quit playing both sides of the fence. Do what is right and forget the rest.
While the State might have a role in legal unions, its quite clear that 501c3s can have a negative influence on Church goals
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News Item9/14/13 9:50 AM
Fiat Funds | Social Security  Find all comments by Fiat Funds
John Y, if you want to open that can of worms, Social Security isn't Biblical. The care of the Body of Christ was supposed to be covered by church, not the government - it is completely out of it's scope. So maybe the Christian community shoul refrain from desiring federal funds and instead turn back to the biblical model we see from OT to NT.
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News Item9/14/13 8:52 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Thomas the Doubter wrote:
Cultural Christians should never have invited the state to sanction marriage in the first place. Churches should give up the ridiculous 501c's and such and quit playing both sides of the fence. Do what is right and forget the rest.
Without a state licensed marriage certificate a woman can't receive Social Security death benefits when her husband pases away. Why don't you think before making such insane statements?
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News Item9/14/13 8:26 AM
Thomas the Doubter | Ohio  Find all comments by Thomas the Doubter
Cultural Christians should never have invited the state to sanction marriage in the first place. Churches should give up the ridiculous 501c's and such and quit playing both sides of the fence. Do what is right and forget the rest.
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News Item9/14/13 5:49 AM
Biblical pattern  Find all comments by Biblical pattern
63 And Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide: and he lifted up his eyes, and saw, and, behold, the camels were coming.

64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.

65 For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself.

66 And the servant told Isaac all things that he had done.

67 And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.

Genesis 24

God's pattern for marriage. Everything else weighs down the institution.

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