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WEDNESDAY, SEP 11, 2013| 28 comments
Florida official tells Christian charity to choose between Jesus and cheese

A Florida ministry that feeds the poor said a state agriculture department official told them they would not be allowed to receive USDA food unless they removed portraits of Christ, the Ten Commandments, a banner that read “Jesus is Lord” and stopping giving Bibles to the needy.

“They told us they could no longer allow us to have any religious information where the USDA food is going to be,” said Kay Daly, executive director of the Christian Service Center.

So why did the government have an issue with the religious group’s religious decorations? A spokesperson for the Florida Department of Agriculture told me they were following the guidelines written by the USDA. ...


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News Item9/14/13 8:05 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I haven't looked at the links yet, Frank, but going from memory it has something to do with faulty manuscripts of the book of Exodus(?) that we use. The ones we use are not the oldest, most reliable, and the ones the Vatican has omits the verse they replaced by splitting another into two. I remember the apologists explanation being very technical and confusing; jumping through hoops to justify the omission. This particular apologist is officially sanctioned, employed, by the Roman machine, so I assume this is their official explanation. I'm curious to read what others say about it though.
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News Item9/12/13 10:58 PM
  
@Mike
Sorry ....item 195 page 100.
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News Item9/12/13 10:56 PM
  
@Mike:
The Baltimore catechism.
Item 150 page 100.
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News Item9/12/13 12:29 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike wrote:
For the sake of clarity. It has been said the RC deletes the 2nd commandment, and then splits the 9th and 10th to come up with 10. Where does this info come from? Neither the RC Douay Rheims bible, nor their New American bible does this, so where does the idea come from that they do?
I did a quick google and there is some confusion. I copied the below, but have no information as to whether the sites are good or bad. In other words, beware.

http://www.teachingtheword.org/apps/articles/?columnid=5444&articleid=64839 Against the RCC

http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommandments.htm An RCC site.

http://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-ten-commandments.html An RCC site.

Here is one that agrees with you.

http://www.fisheaters.com/10commandments.html

But remember Mike; the issue is do they make and worship graven images. The rest is fluff.

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News Item9/12/13 11:55 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
For the sake of clarity. It has been said the RC deletes the 2nd commandment, and then splits the 9th and 10th to come up with 10. Where does this info come from? Neither the RC Douay Rheims bible, nor their New American bible does this, so where does the idea come from that they do?
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News Item9/12/13 11:23 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
I was listening to an RC apologist explain this and he was very convincing to those listening, even inferring that we are idiots for believing anything other. I could hear the people in the audience laughing and snickering over our foolishness. I think it's so sad that they just refuse to search their own Bibles, but rather place their eternal security into the hands of mere sinfilled men; placing their trust in them for all truth.
Hi Chris! No I have never researched why they changed the commandments. If you ever come across a good link, let me know. But, as you and I both know, they do make and worship idols regardless of how they spin it. They are perhaps the best spin doctors of any of the cults. I remember arguing with one of their apologists and he said the reason they didn't allow translations of the bible into common languages was because the "ignorant" would become confused.

You are correct; their foundation is the RCC not Christ who died for their sins. They built their church on a pebble, Peter, whereas my foundation is the Rock; the blessed gospel of my Lord and Savior.

Few in the RCC even know how mistaken their church is. They simply blindly follow their false leaders!

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News Item9/12/13 7:07 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Frank, thanks for the reminder. I tend to forget that little gem: how they delete a commendment and split another to fill the gap. We both know that this was done to justify idolatry. Way back when, when they forbid the reading of God's Word because only they could interpret it correctly, they had carte blanche...good times. Once Bibles were printed en masse, and people began asking questions, they knew they had a lot of explaining to do, hence, many new heresies. Have you ever researched into their explanation for doing this? Their logic is pretty incredible. I was listening to an RC apologist explain this and he was very convincing to those listening, even inferring that we are idiots for believing anything other. I could hear the people in the audience laughing and snickering over our foolishness. I think it's so sad that they just refuse to search their own Bibles, but rather place their eternal security into the hands of mere sinfilled men; placing their trust in them for all truth.
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News Item9/11/13 6:27 PM
  
To any who are interested;
Idolatry in the Evangelical Camp by......
Richard Bennett.
Here on Sermon Audio.
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News Item9/11/13 2:17 PM
SS  Find all comments by SS
The point being made by some was representations of Jesus Christ not about painting landscapes or taking photographs.
Straw man arguement.
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News Item9/11/13 12:57 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike wrote:
Anyone think that God is jealous of a rock, or a likeness of a tree?
Yes, if someone bows down and worship them. And if the person who draws them or takes a photo of them does it for that purpose, then ....

But, in a more serious note, I don't know of anyone who would say that painting a picture of something that won't be worshipped or taking a picture of something that won't be worshipped, is wrong.

But, thanks for your comment. It does put things into a better perspective.

Gotta go to my friendly doctor.

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News Item9/11/13 12:44 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
The 2nd Commandment:

Exodus 20:4,5
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

Using the criteria set forth by some, brother John UK is breaking the commandment when he paints a scene. I must be beaking it when I take photos. John doesn't paint to worship the painting, nor do I worship photos. The key to understanding the verse is seen in that little colon. What follows the colon clarifies what precedes it. It is idolatry to bow down or serve false gods, whether made by self, or made by others. Anyone think that God is jealous of a rock, or a likeness of a tree?

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News Item9/11/13 11:07 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Dorcas wrote:
I do not see as a Christian breaking any of Gods commandments as a "side issue".
As for not being instructed...perhaps they should read one of the Bibles they are handing out.Scripture is crystal clear concerning images, idols, etc.
Yes sister, you are quite right. If someone says they don't worship an image they make, then I simply ask them why they make the images in the first place. Anyone who makes a graven image or worships with those who make them is guilty of breaking God's commandments regardless of how they attempt to spin what they are doing. Good comment.
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News Item9/11/13 11:00 AM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
I do not see as a Christian breaking any of Gods commandments as a "side issue".
As for not being instructed...perhaps they should read one of the Bibles they are handing out.Scripture is crystal clear concerning images, idols, etc.
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News Item9/11/13 10:45 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
2. Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain. This is the Catholic 2nd commandment which is really God’s number 3.

9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.

The above Catholic 9th and 10th commandments are God’s number 10. In this way, they can say they have 10 commandments, but they really only have 9.

Most people don’t realize that the RCC did away with the 2nd commandment. Since I believe the RCC is the great whore of Revelations, then the below shows how far they will take this idol making and worshipping.

[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (Rev 13:14-15 KJV)

Now if you ask the typical RC, they will say they don't worship the images, but the images simply cause them to reflect on what the images stand for. So, an image of Christ simply causes them to reflect on Christ.

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News Item9/11/13 9:38 AM
Anne | The Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Amen UP! My grandparents live in the area and this group has been serving the area for a very long time. They refused to bow to those deny Christ and, as you said, they deserve commendation! God will use this, too, for His glory.
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News Item9/11/13 9:37 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks SF!
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News Item9/11/13 9:25 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
I really see the pictures as a side issue. Not all believers are instructed concerning the matter. Here is a group that is reaching out and ministering to the needy. They decided that their ministry outreach was more important than a government handout that helped them accomplish that goal and took a stand for their faith. For that, imho, they should be commended. Maybe they should have never taken from the government assistance. It shows how anti-Christian this administration is as the article stated that it was due to an executive order.
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News Item9/11/13 9:09 AM
SF from TX  Find all comments by SF from TX
Christopher, the verse you are looking for is Isaiah 53:2 (KJV)
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News Item9/11/13 8:51 AM
Anne | The Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
"Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us." (1 John 4:11, 12 KJV)

To reinforce the Second Commandment's scope: "No man hath seen God at any time." If He had wanted His pictures splashed across the world, He would have sent Jesus when the technology was present. He had good reason NOT to. We will one day look on Him with our own eyes and no human picture will even be close. God deserves and requires our fear, respect and reverence in regard to Him holy image. Want to see what God looks like now? Extend your hands in love to the brethren - that's what He looks like.

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News Item9/11/13 8:34 AM
Stark  Find all comments by Stark
Obama wants charities to be as secular as the inside of mosque or megachurch.
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