N.M. court: Christian conscience discriminates against gays
The New Mexico Supreme Court ruled today that a Christian photographer discriminated against a homosexual couple when she refused to take photos of their âcommitmentâ ceremony.
Elaine Huguenin, who operates Elane Photography with her husband, Jonathan, cited her belief in the biblical definition of marriage when she declined to work with Vanessa Willock and her lesbian partner. Although Willock hired another photographer, she filed a complaint against Huguenin with the New Mexico Human Rights Commission. In 2008, the commission ruled Huguenin discriminated against Willock on the basis of her sexual orientation and ordered the photographer to pay $6,637.94 in attorneysâ fees, even though New Mexico does not recognize same-sex marriage or civil unions....
Nice comment, Brandon. Now that's a Christian forum attitude, response, etc. Have a good week. So easy to lose sight of the spiritual nature of life while living in this material world while only knowing and seeing wickedness, suffering hardships and loss, and knowing only life and death; beginnings and endings, etc. So easy to forget that there is an unseen world (the real world) all around us at any given moment. There is a real Heaven/Hell, real angels battling all around us, real demons/devils within our personal space trying to influence or oppress us, a real, personal God looking down upon us, a real, personal holy spirit dwelling within us and limiting Satans activities, and a real Jesus, who really lived, and died horribly on a wooden cross, but not before being viciously beaten, spit upon, and humiliated in every conceivable way just so that we could be with Him one day.
That was nice, SWfW...hey, I have said it all and have taken many beatings myself from this crew...most of them deserved, so you are not alone there either...ha-ha. Hey, when we are suffering, we can feel pretty alone, on a human level, so I get It. When I have heard people in real life complain, I sometimes think to myself, "man, you have no idea what a bad childhood, life, or whatever, really is, but I try to remember that suffering is relative and I really never know what anyone is suffering or has had to endure
You will be in my prayers..I have no idea what you are going through but believe me God will heip you through this. As a child I watched my mother suffer under the abuse of my father and she stayed strong in Christ and that's why I can. Of course I forgive you and may God bless and keep you
We all have trials and sufferings in this life because we live in a fallen world..granted some different than others and maybe more severe but no less suffering to them. We can choose to let it make us better or bitter..I choose to allow God to use mine to grow me and to glorify His name and like James said,"My brethen,count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have it's perfect work,that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. James 1:2-4 This is for those that are going through the suffering not those looking on at what's happening to them because God has promised to be along side them with His peace and His comfort and we will not have this peace until We Need It We stand along beside them to pray encourage and just be there for them..especially if you have gone through something that they are going through..
Those people still deserve our support, mutual aid, help and comfort; and above all prayer. You're quite right in looking back at your life - God is equipping you for His kingdom work! "Be glad and rejoice!"
In Matthew, Jesus says this: âYou are blessed when they insult and persecute you and falsely say every kind of evil against you because of Me. Be glad and rejoice, because your reward is great in heaven. For that is how they persecuted the prophets who were before you." (Matthew 5:11, 12)
Later, He makes this statement: "For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you took care of Me; I was in prison and you visited Me." (Matthew 25:35, 36)
Then in James we read, "If a brother or sister is without clothes and lacks daily food and one of you says to them, âGo in peace, keep warm, and eat well,â but you donât give them what the body needs, what good is it? In the same way faith, if it doesnât have works, is dead by itself." (James 2:15-17)
To me, it is cruel and flippant to simply say, "Yah for the persecuted for Christians!"; but I don't think that's what anyone was saying. I think realizing the situation these people are suffering under and for WHOM is paramount. But it should never be left at that. Faith without works is no faith at all. Those people still deserve our support, mutual aid, help and comfort; and above all prayer
I should also add the fact that I have never felt sorry for myself, used the past to make excuses for the present, or asked God, "why me"? I have always felt that there must be a reason for all that I was allowed to go through. I have pretty much convinced myself that it was so that I can really relate to and help others who have been through the same at some future point in time. There is a huge difference between speaking with say, a therapist who has led a sheltered life; not being able to relate to what a person has endured, and someone who has been there personally and conquered all that life had thrown at them...
Well, sorry if I stirred something up that, well, maybe I shouldn't have said anything. I know what I meant and am well aware of the line between human compassion and suffering for Christ, but it's a difficult topic for me to get my feelings across clearly. I like 1517, his/her posts, etc, and I also know you all pretty much say, "amen" when he/she posts about rejoicing instead of feeling for Satan's victim, but I'm just trying to understand the logic because I feel that there is a line where we can be happy for suffering, while at the same time, express our grief for the abused without being corrected or scolded. SWfW, I have read a lot of your posts but the one below was shocking. Sorry for what you have gone through, but remember this...no matter what has happened to you, and no matter how bad you have had it, you have company. Some of us have led sheltered lives, and great for them, but others have experienced all of the horrors that life has to offer. Always remember that...you're not alone, and I would never minimalize anyone elses suffering...its all relative...
MS thank you again for your love and support. When I first read the first comment by some woman from Wisconsin I sensed in my spirit that it didn't ring true..seemed like a mockery almost..too much drama..not sincere. That's why I didn't comment on her post but just the thread we were on. Well her second post actually showed where she was coming from and her anger was there for all Christians it seemed..some good sure come out of all this for me and that's the love and support of true Christians and I'm actually rejoicing tonight!! Praise the Lord
Hi Anne...yes I would add concerning the poster we addressed earlier...seems they attack others and retreat,.....this seems to be the MO I have observed on other threads also.No grace detected in any of the posts!
brandon, if I offended you I am truly sorry. I will not get into details but there is more to this poster than you realize and I cannot redress what I said before (Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:42 and Luke 17:2; Matthew 7:15, 16, 20). I pray this individual will let go of their self pity, anger and bitterness towards others and cling instead to Christ for as God saved me, there is hope for anyone.
Woman from wisconsin...there is One who has suffered greater than you, and can sympathize with you in your suffering. stop comparing yourself with others, its leading you to bitterness, pride and apathy. turn to the one who knows, and let Him turn your sufferings into a chance to encourage others, not tear them down.
Sorry Delores, not all people from Wisconsin are so mean. My wife is from there and she gracefully puts up with lots from me!
I kinda agree with Christopher, we need to weep with those who weep. I do see the point about being counted worthy to suffer for Christ, but I could easily see the homosexual community sending people specifically to her to put her out of business. A church may restrict their dealings to only members a photographer, or florist that does business with the public probably cannot legally do what Tina said without violating the discrimination laws. The photographer can fight this on appeal or basically will have to choose another career. Someone should be working with the legislature to change the law to make exceptions for "religious" reasons. You sit there and say rejoice for the persecution just remember, you are next. The "rights" of 2% of the population should not trample those of the larger population. I find it hard to believe the judgment can stand. If a people came and requested she shoot pornographic shots, surely she could turn it down. If the KKK asked her to photograph them setting up a burning cross, surely she could turn it down. If a Muslim refused to photograph a bar mitzpah would they be prosecuted?
To the woman from Wis.my comment wasn't to you or I would have used your name. I was making a comment about this thread which is about suffering in the name of Christ which I saw nothing about suffering for the cause of Christ in your comment..you said if this ever happened to you for your children to ignore your screams..nothing aabout your suffering now..not all suffering we all go through in this fallen world has to do with Christ or being a Christian..it could be the conquences of our wrong choices..like David suffered terrible things after his sin of adultry and murder..so lets not confuse this issue. Btw have You ever had Cancer..you don't judge my suffering that I' ve gone through in this life and I won't ljudge yours.