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THURSDAY, AUG 22, 2013  |  15 comments
Should Pastors Rebuke Parishioners from the Pulpit?

An Oklahoma pastor spent five minutes of Sunday worship calling out parishioners by name for their flaws—including sleeping.

"You're one of the sorriest church members I have—you're not worth 15 cents," said Jim Standridge, pastor of Skiatook's Immanuel Baptist Church, to one attendee.

A recording of the incident has been watched almost 600,000 times on YouTube. (The full sermon is on Vimeo.)

Should pastors rebuke parishioners from the pulpit? Christian leaders' responses are posted below, on a scale starting with "yes" and ending with "no." ...


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News Item8/23/13 2:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Angela Wittman wrote:
Perhaps the congregation should call out this pastor for spiritual abuse and then show him the door.
Excellent advice, Angela, it will be interesting if this fellow is given the boot.

Many good Bible verses have be given to show the error of this fellow's practices.

Apparently pastors mouthing off, is a characteristic of the United Pentecostal Church, Former or Future Former United Pentecostalist.... This church is considered a cult by many.

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News Item8/23/13 2:16 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
Ga 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one –in the spirit of meekness–; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient,

2Ti 2:25 –In meekness– instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2Ti 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Where is his meekness? This "so-called" pastor is a tyrant and he is certainly no servant of God.

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News Item8/23/13 8:19 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks for expounding, John. I thought there was more to it. Thanks to you as well, Anne.
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News Item8/22/13 5:22 PM
Pulpit Crimes  Find all comments by Pulpit Crimes
This is some of that old time religion finally caught on film.

Those who stay are brainwashed.

They need our prayers.

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News Item8/22/13 4:59 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Galatians 6:1 (NKJV) Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.

Speaking of the Shepherds (Pastors)

Ezekiel 34:4 The weak you have not strengthened, nor have you healed those who were sick, nor bound up the broken, nor brought back what was driven away, nor sought what was lost; but with force and cruelty you have ruled them. (pretty much the whole chapter)

Matthew 12:20 (KJV----see Isaiah 42:3)20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

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News Item8/22/13 4:52 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Agree Pilgrim! Matthew 18:17 quoted below seems to say that pretty clearly.
Yep, fellow Pilgrim!

Matthew 18:15-17 KJV
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Maybe this fellow does not read his Bible.

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News Item8/22/13 4:50 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
That's how I see it bro. The Lord gives people the chance to amend first privately, but if not, then they must appear before the whole church for an open rebuke.
Agree Pilgrim! Matthew 18:17 quoted below seems to say that pretty clearly.
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News Item8/22/13 4:37 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Hmmm...what do you all think of this? Isn't a rebuke suppose to be done privately, but with witnesses first, and then they are to be out out of the church?
That's how I see it bro. The Lord gives people the chance to amend first privately, but if not, then they must appear before the whole church for an open rebuke.
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News Item8/22/13 2:57 PM
Angela Wittman | Southern Illinois  Find all comments by Angela Wittman
Perhaps the congregation should call out this pastor for spiritual abuse and then show him the door.
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News Item8/22/13 2:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Is this "pastor" worth 15 cents? There is a proper form of Church discipline:

Matthew 18
15 "And if your brother sins, go and reprove him in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
17 "And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax-gatherer.---NASB

Or, some lengthier printed material on the matter, Church Discipline--An Evidence of Christian Love.

It looks like this church "pastor" should go on a sabbatical so, he read the Bible, and see that:

Titus 1
6 namely, if any man be above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.
7 For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain,
8 but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled,---NASB

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News Item8/22/13 11:50 AM
Anne | The Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Curiosity got the best of me... While kids were doing math, I started watching the video. I stopped however when he took the Lord's name in vain.
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News Item8/22/13 10:00 AM
Anne | The Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Christopher, that verse in Timothy is preceded by: "Don’t accept an accusation against an elder unless it is supported by two or three witnesses." (1 Timothy 5:19 HCSB). So there was work going on before an open rebuke. It starts in Matthew 18 - we study this with our kids every day; saves Mama a lot of bickering! It might also do well to balance the times of open rebuke with: "Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, and with all propriety, the younger women as sisters. Don’t accept an accusation against an elder unless it is supported by two or three witnesses." (1 Timothy 5:1, 2, 19 HCSB)

My husband watched the video, I have not. His comment was, "I sure heard a lot of "I" in that speech." He wasn't remotely impressed. He also made the comment that if a Pastor had spoken to me in front of the congregation in such a manner as he spoke to one woman, we would have left. There are obviously times for open rebuke but that's usually under some strenuous church discipline.

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News Item8/22/13 9:38 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks for the verses...especially the first one.
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News Item8/22/13 9:16 AM
rebuke  Find all comments by rebuke
1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin REBUKE before all, that others also may fear.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, REBUKE, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and REBUKE with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art REBUKED of him:

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I REBUKE and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

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News Item8/22/13 7:36 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hmmm...what do you all think of this? Isn't a rebuke suppose to be done privately, but with witnesses first, and then they are to be out out of the church?
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