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Presbyterian Church (USA) drops In Christ Alone from hymnal

An extraordinary dispute has arisen over a lyric contained one of the most beloved contemporary Christian hymns of the modern-day Church, "In Christ Alone".

According to Bob Smietana of USA Today, the committee putting together a new hymnal for the Presbyterian Church (USA) dropped the popular hymn because the song's authors refused to change a phrase about the wrath of God.

He said that the original lyrics say that "on that cross, as Jesus died, the wrath of God was satisfied."

The Presbyterian Committee on Congregational Song wanted to substitute the words, "the love of God was magnified." ...


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News Item8/31/13 5:39 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Isa 38:20 The LORD [was ready] to save me: therefore we will sing my songs to the stringed instruments all the days of our life in the house of the LORD.
Looks like Hezekiah was a cricket player too.
Hezekiah the Hymn-Writer. Hmmmmmm, got quite a ring to it.
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News Item8/31/13 1:16 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Isa 38:20 The LORD [was ready] to save me: therefore we will sing my songs to the stringed instruments all the days of our life in the house of the LORD.

Looks like Hezekiah was a cricket player too.

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News Item8/30/13 12:50 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
bac2doctrine wrote:
Rejecting God again Ups?
I see you answers my Scriptural references with the uninispired WCF. But I also see man made fables carry alot of weight with you seeing you have something saying that the Biblical doctrine of immersion practiced since the apostles by true believers is amiss. Reject such fiction!!

But, alas, I, in your mind,have been found to be a reprobate.
So, anyone who listens to Christian country music know of a song,

I was a repbrobate for Jesus, maybe if I play it backwards everything will come out ok.

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News Item8/30/13 11:52 AM
Y'wot  Find all comments by Y'wot
Lurker wrote:
..To add to the confusion, Presby quotes the UNinspired writings of men.... "WCF 20/2. God alone is Lord of the conscience, and hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are in anything contrary to his Word, or beside it, in matters of faith or worship." yet continues to label hymn singers as God rejectors. Apparently the conscience the WCF article speaks of is the Presby conscience (Real Christians) and the Baptist type conscience need not apply since they were first invented in 1521....
This may help - also from the WCF

"All synods or councils, since the apostles' times, whether general or particular, may err; and many have erred. Therefore they are not to be made the rule of faith, or practice; but to be used as a help in both."

&

"..we acknowledge.. that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the Church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature, and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed."

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News Item8/30/13 11:32 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
I don't know, John. This is all soooo confusing. I guess I'm just an unrepentant cricket player.
To add to the confusion, Presby quotes the UNinspired writings of men.... "WCF 20/2. God alone is Lord of the conscience, and hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are in anything contrary to his Word, or beside it, in matters of faith or worship." yet continues to label hymn singers as God rejectors. Apparently the conscience the WCF article speaks of is the Presby conscience (Real Christians) and the Baptist type conscience need not apply since they were first invented in 1521.
Soooo confusing....
Ah well, you have a nice day bro.

And keep sticking to scripture - the word of God. Apparently there isn't a WCF in heaven anywhere to be found. Which isn't a bad thing.

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News Item8/30/13 11:03 AM
bac2doctrine  Find all comments by bac2doctrine
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
From
Rejecting God again Ups? This is getting idolatrous and blasphemous. But it does confirm Baptist practice and their origins in Anabaptist heresy of 16th century. I've been reading an article about the pagan source of "immersionism" in the early church. How this pagan practice was referred to by Tertullian as "sacred rites of heathens." It was a pagan initiation rite which Rome absorbed into its beliefs = RCC
_____
WCF.21/1 The light of nature showeth that there is a God, who hath lordship and sovereignty over all; is good, and doeth good unto all; and is therefore to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served with all the heart, and with all the soul, and with all the might.a But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by himself, and so limited to his own revealed will, that he may not be worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representations or any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scripture.b

a. Josh 24:14; Psa 18:3; 31:23; 62:8; 119:68; Jer 10:7; Mark 12:33; Acts 17:24; Rom 1:20; 10:12. • b. Exod 20:4-6; Deut 4:15-20; 12:32; Mat 4:9-10; 15:9; Acts 17:25; Col 2:23.

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News Item8/30/13 10:18 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Four days of crickets is a long time on this forum, Lurker. Why do you ask such hard questions? You know the wcf doesn't have the answer.
I don't know, John. This is all soooo confusing. I guess I'm just an unrepentant cricket player.

To add to the confusion, Presby quotes the UNinspired writings of men.... "WCF 20/2. God alone is Lord of the conscience, and hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are in anything contrary to his Word, or beside it, in matters of faith or worship." yet continues to label hymn singers as God rejectors. Apparently the conscience the WCF article speaks of is the Presby conscience (Real Christians) and the Baptist type conscience need not apply since they were first invented in 1521.

Soooo confusing....

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News Item8/30/13 10:04 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Good examples US of great biblical-derived hymns of praise. I like this verse:

“Why was I made to hear Thy voice,
And enter while there’s room,
When thousands make a wretched choice,
And rather starve than come?”

Herein is the mystery of grace.

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News Item8/30/13 9:00 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
bac2fact wrote:
Good grief UPS ...
From Watts and Newton

How sweet and aweful is this place
With Christ within the doors,
While everlasting love displays
The choicest of her stores!

Here every bowel of our God
With soft compassion rolls;
Here peace and pardon bought with blood
Is food for dying souls.

While all our hearts and all our songs
Join to admire the feast,
Each of us cry, with thankful tongues,
“Lord, why was I a guest?

“Why was I made to hear Thy voice,
And enter while there’s room,
When thousands make a wretched choice,
And rather starve than come?”

’Twas the same love that spread the feast
That sweetly drew us in;
Else we had still refused to taste,
And perished in our sin.

Pity the nations, O our God!
Constrain the earth to come;
Send Thy victorious Word abroad,
And bring the strangers home.

We long to see Thy churches full,
That all the chosen race
May with one voice, and heart and soul,
Sing Thy redeeming grace.

Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
that saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
was blind, but now I see.

The Lord has promised good to me,
his word my hope secures;
he will my shield and portion be,
as long as life endures.

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News Item8/30/13 6:32 AM
bac2fact  Find all comments by bac2fact
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
some
Good grief UPS you have just rejected God and His praise and Scripture. If you are not yet a Christian may I suggest you search the Scriptures - NOT human sinners philosophy - And get on your knees and pray for help.

It is little wonder that the Arminian and Liberal apostate churches escalate in our wicked society today.

Psalm 12: Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

_______

Especially for John UK ~

WCF 20/2. God alone is Lord of the conscience, and hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are in anything contrary to his Word, or beside it, in matters of faith or worship. So that to believe such doctrines, or to obey such commands out of conscience, is to betray true liberty of conscience; and the requiring of an implicit faith, and an absolute and blind obedience, is to destroy liberty of conscience, and reason also."

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News Item8/30/13 5:54 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
bac2wherever wrote:
Boy ..
Ah, some verses from our uninspired hymns to lift up praise to our Savior (from Wesley, McCheyne, and Bliss)

O for a thousand tongues to sing
My great Redeemer’s praise,
The glories of my God and King,
The triumphs of His grace!

My gracious Master and my God,
Assist me to proclaim,
To spread through all the earth abroad
The honors of Thy name.

He breaks the power of reigning sin,
He sets the prisoner free;
His blood can make the foulest clean,
His blood availed for me.

Then with my heart I first believed,
Believed with faith divine,
Power with the Holy Ghost received
To call the Savior mine.

I felt my Lord’s atoning blood
Close to my soul applied;
Me, me He loved, the Son of God,
For me, for me He died!

_____

When I stand before the throne,
Dressed in beauty not my own,
When I see Thee as Thou art,
Love Thee with unsinning heart,
Then Lord, shall I fully know—
Not till then—how much I owe.

Chosen not for good in me,
Wakened up from wrath to flee,
Hidden in the Savior’s side,
By the Spirit sanctified,
Teach me, Lord, on earth to show,
By my love, how much I owe.

_____

Guilty, vile, and helpless we;
Spotless Lamb of God was He;
“Full atonement!” can it be?
Hallelujah!

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News Item8/30/13 5:09 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Just for you, Presby, I'll edit to the subject at hand: "... all things must be fulfilled, which were written [...] in the psalms, concerning me..." Sounds to me like Jesus said the Psalms were prophetic.
Not surprisingly, Peter agrees citing Psalm 2:1-2 @ Acts 4:25-26. And Paul @ Romans 15:9-12 quoted four prophecies fulfilled at the time of his letter; Psalm 18:49, Deut 32:43, Psalm 117:1 and Isaiah 11:10. Don't take my word for it.... look em up.
Now since you Presbys have relegated the Psalms to a song book, I wonder if you have ever sought out the prophecies and reconciled them to the cited fulfillments.
To find out I'll ask: How do you reconcile Paul's citation of Psalm 18:49 (Rom 15:9) to the other three relevant prophetic citations? And how do you reconcile them all to the timeline and storyline of Psalm 18: "A Psalm of David, the servant of the LORD, who spake unto the LORD the words of this song in the day the LORD delivered him from the hand of all his enemies, and from the hand of Saul...."?
Four days of crickets is a long time on this forum, Lurker. Why do you ask such hard questions? You know the wcf doesn't have the answer.
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News Item8/29/13 11:08 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
bac2wherever wrote:
Nope, Lurker. Cricket is a game played with two bats and a ball. The sinners are the fellows who play with them.
Usually from the family Gryllidae.
The fellows who play cricket are hymn singers?
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News Item8/29/13 3:32 PM
bac2wherever  Find all comments by bac2wherever
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
show me in any of my post where I reject the book of Psalms?
Boy oh boy oh boy!!!
It gets more and more difficult.

When you pick up the UNinspired all to human hymnary .....

You lay down the Psalms written by God for the purpose of His praise and worship.

That is when you reject God!!

_____________

Lurker wrote:
Crickets are sinners?
Nope, Lurker. Cricket is a game played with two bats and a ball. The sinners are the fellows who play with them.

Usually from the family Gryllidae.

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News Item8/28/13 8:39 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
bac2reality wrote:
Lurker
I see you are covetous of the composition of sinners over God's inspired praise too.
Crickets are sinners?
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News Item8/28/13 6:21 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
bac2, your opening question is based, just like the rest or your beliefs in this matter,on an errant assumption.

Part of me says why bother. But will ask any way, show me in any of my post where I reject the book of Psalms? Do you delight in false accusations? You still have not, and am sure you cannot, shown how that using I corinthians 10:31 does not give Biblical precedent for singing hymns. You cannot say because it rejects the book of psalms, because it does not, you cannot say it violates God's standard because you have NOT ONE SCRIPTURE to back up that position. I could say that God's ordained hymnbook is Isaiah and have just as much justification for my position as you have for yours. I can't over emphasize this so I will say it one more time.
YOUR PREMISE IS FLAWED AND ANY CONCLUSIONS DRAWN FROM IT ARE THEREFORE FLAWED. You claim to have the Bible on your side but alas NO SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS your position. My heart hurts for those of you who hold to your UNSCRIPTURAL position. A least when you get to heaven (check out the book of Revelation) you will join the saints in singing hymns of praise to the Lamb of God.

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News Item8/28/13 5:15 PM
Ha  Find all comments by Ha
bac2reality wrote:
Where in the Word of God do you get the instructions to ditch the Word of God praise, and look to man the sinner for the alternative.
I can see you hymn singers really enjoy the entertainment value of the music and lyrics of hymns. So much so that you can cast away God's Holy work of praise the Psalms. That is blasphemous idolatry.
Obviously you greatly esteem and covet this work of sinners ....
"Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:15.
You ditch the inspired praise book which God has ordained for His Church and make up songs from other books when God has NOT commanded this.
Ups you claim to have looked in my posts for supportive text of Scripture. YET you blatantly reject the entire Book of Psalms ordained by God for the very purpose of His worship and praise. Isn't that hypocrisy?
_________
Lurker
I see you are covetous of the composition of sinners over God's inspired praise too.
_________
btw I've been reading an interesting article which demonstrates how immersionism is of papist origin.
Me thinks this ignorant person reads too much Presby literature and not enough Bible.
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News Item8/28/13 3:28 PM
bac2reality  Find all comments by bac2reality
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Where in the Word of God is the condemnation of singing hymns?
Where in the Word of God do you get the instructions to ditch the Word of God praise, and look to man the sinner for the alternative.

I can see you hymn singers really enjoy the entertainment value of the music and lyrics of hymns. So much so that you can cast away God's Holy work of praise the Psalms. That is blasphemous idolatry.
Obviously you greatly esteem and covet this work of sinners ....
"Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:15.

You ditch the inspired praise book which God has ordained for His Church and make up songs from other books when God has NOT commanded this.

Ups you claim to have looked in my posts for supportive text of Scripture. YET you blatantly reject the entire Book of Psalms ordained by God for the very purpose of His worship and praise. Isn't that hypocrisy?
_________

Lurker
I see you are covetous of the composition of sinners over God's inspired praise too.

_________

btw I've been reading an interesting article which demonstrates how immersionism is of papist origin.

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News Item8/27/13 6:27 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Ahhh, the soothing sound of crickets.
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News Item8/26/13 10:34 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
can you see wrote:
"These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."
Just for you, Presby, I'll edit to the subject at hand: "... all things must be fulfilled, which were written [...] in the psalms, concerning me..." Sounds to me like Jesus said the Psalms were prophetic.

Not surprisingly, Peter agrees citing Psalm 2:1-2 @ Acts 4:25-26. And Paul @ Romans 15:9-12 quoted four prophecies fulfilled at the time of his letter; Psalm 18:49, Deut 32:43, Psalm 117:1 and Isaiah 11:10. Don't take my word for it.... look em up.

Now since you Presbys have relegated the Psalms to a song book, I wonder if you have ever sought out the prophecies and reconciled them to the cited fulfillments.

To find out I'll ask: How do you reconcile Paul's citation of Psalm 18:49 (Rom 15:9) to the other three relevant prophetic citations? And how do you reconcile them all to the timeline and storyline of Psalm 18: "A Psalm of David, the servant of the LORD, who spake unto the LORD the words of this song in the day the LORD delivered him from the hand of all his enemies, and from the hand of Saul...."?

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