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WEDNESDAY, AUG 7, 2013  |  14 comments  |  1 commentary
Trial Begins for Christians Arrested for Reading Bible Outside California DMV

The criminal trial for three men who were arrested for reading the Bible aloud outside of a California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) office began on Monday.

The incident occurred in February 2011 when Pastor Brett Coronado, Mark Mackey and Edward Florez, Jr. went to the DMV in Hemet early one morning to evangelize those who were waiting for the facility to open. As they stood on the public sidewalk, Mackey began to read out loud from the Bible.

However, soon after, he was approached by a security officer at the DMV, who asked him to move elsewhere. The men then asserted that they had a First Amendment right to stand on the sidewalk, and Mackey continued to read from the Scriptures. ...


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TB | up here, eh.  Find all comments by TB
Would to God there were more overzealous men instead of the under zealous majority today. By worldly standards all of the prophets that lifted up their voices like trumpets were overzealous. May God save His church from such misguided notions coming from within.
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News Item8/9/13 1:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No doubt Paul used good Koinic Greek or Hebrew, when he explained to the Jews, See Acts 13:15-42 from Acts 13.

These gentlemen are really doing a good job of defending the Word, they apparently are overzealous at times in presenting it, thus putting it in a bad light.

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News Item8/9/13 6:15 AM
  
I see contempt for the Word here but where are the watchmen?
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News Item8/9/13 6:15 AM
  
I see contempt forthe

Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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News Item8/9/13 6:10 AM
TB | up here, eh.  Find all comments by TB
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, [and that] publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Acts 20:20 [And] how I kept back nothing that was profitable [unto you], but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,

1 Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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News Item8/8/13 2:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Kay, I'm glad you added to my earlier comment from:

Titus 3:1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed,
2 to malign no one, to be uncontentious, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.---NASB

Doug in Restating the Obvious about Bible Translation and Jim Prasch, in The Truth About KJV Only...Agendas has settled the issue.

Now these men should be congratulated in using a version that was in good contemporary English that people could understand. I have seen a recent example of an outfit taking a pretty good article which used understandable NIV verses, but then substituting the KJV which was particularly obscure for those verses. I had hoped when the founder of this outfit died, his second in command would at least make adjustments in such things as going to accurate Bible version.

But these fellows appeared to present the word clearly so the message they presented wasn't bombastic, though presented in a brash w

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News Item8/8/13 12:49 PM
Kay | Finland  Find all comments by Kay
I've seen several videos in recent times in which the street preachers' rights have clearly been violated; I can't say I feel the same about this incident.

The brother was not forbidden the right to speak; he was told he COULD go and preach on the street corner but couldn't stay on that particular piece of property.

We are to suffer for righteousness, not unrighteousness. It would have been more comely and God-honoring had the brother obeyed and gone to the street corner.

Just recently the Lord has walked me through Romans 13. The first two verses are really, really scarey, if we will meditate on them. We really need wisdom in these instances, and be sure if we are called to suffer for Jesus, it's truly for righteousness, and not rebellion! We may do more harm than good! Lord help us!! We are weak, but You are mighty! Help us to be wise as serpents, yet innocent as doves!!

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News Item8/7/13 7:34 PM
Michael B | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Michael B
Seriously? Bible translation debates AGAIN? Talk about beating a dead horse, this horse has been beaten, sent to the glue factory, reassembled and beaten again and again ad ifinitum. Seriously, can we please stick to the topic? It just seems so immature...
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News Item8/7/13 6:47 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Scott wrote:
I find it strange with the obvious erosion of religious liberty occurring in our nation and the inappropriate use of laws, such as this one, that Bible translations are the topic of your debate. This is the way laws are used in Communist and Islamic countries to target enemies of the state. This is the same thing the established churches in Europe did during the inquisition. Infringement on personal liberties, religious or otherwise, begins small. We need to keep our eye on the ball.
It's just Jim. You're lucky he didn't blame the Inquisition on Bush.
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News Item8/7/13 6:16 PM
Scott | Pittsburgh pa  Find all comments by Scott
I find it strange with the obvious erosion of religious liberty occurring in our nation and the inappropriate use of laws, such as this one, that Bible translations are the topic of your debate. This is the way laws are used in Communist and Islamic countries to target enemies of the state. This is the same thing the established churches in Europe did during the inquisition. Infringement on personal liberties, religious or otherwise, begins small. We need to keep our eye on the ball.
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News Item8/7/13 3:20 PM
TS  Find all comments by TS
Jim Lincoln wrote:
blasphemy
"God's providential preservation of the Scriptures cannot be separated from the doctrine of their verbal plenary inspiration. The Holy Spirit persuades believers to adopt the same view of the Bible that Jesus believed and taught during the days of His earthly ministry. Jesus explicitly denied the theories of modern higher critics. He recognized Moses (Mark 12:26), David (Luke 20:42), and Daniel (Matt. 24:15) by name as the authors of their Old Testament books. Moreover, according to the Lord Jesus, all these individual Old Testament writings combined together formed one Divine and infallible Book which He called "the Scriptures." Jesus believed that these Scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit (Mark 12:36), that not one word of them could be denied (John 10:35), that not one particle of them could perish (Matt. 5:18), and that everything written in them was Divinely authoritative (Matt. 4:4,7,10)" (Gary La More)

God used this book in King James Version form for 400 years ....
But Jim Lincoln and his buddy Kutilek calls it blasphemy.
Poor old Jim and his buddy haven't got a god who providentially preserves his bible, so messrs Westcott and Hort had to rewrite it.

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News Item8/7/13 3:05 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Exactly, T.S.!
Doug Kutilek wrote:
And I could write at length of the KJV's fourfold reference to the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the Trinity, as "it" (John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; I Peter 1:11), which in my opinion comes little short, if indeed it comes short at all, of blasphemy. Baptist theologian Emery Bancroft ascribed this horrid translation to Socinian influence among the KJV translators (see Emery H. Bancroft, CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1961; revised edition], pp. 147-8). The Socinian doctrine of the Holy Spirit was roughly the same as that of the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose translation--alone of modern Bible versions--also refers to the Holy Spirit as "it.". . . .
excerpt from Restating the Obvious about Bible Translation
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News Item8/7/13 2:51 PM
TS  Find all comments by TS
Jim Lincoln wrote:
instead of using antiquated gibberish
You mean Like the Lord has been using for four hundred years, Jim?

Are you practising your blasphemy again?

Remember the Lord doesn't use "bibles?" which heretics have helped to write.

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News Item8/7/13 2:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
As I commented about a year ago, (I just had to look it up )
"...as I had in the past pointed out to a person that being obnoxious [while] street preaching is not the way to do it. Spurgeon more than adequately pointed that out in his commentary on Street Preaching -- C. H. Spurgeon. It is Islamic or Catholic to force people to listen to the message--not Christian."

These evangelists --and I will congratulate them for using the NKJV, of course people complained because they could actually understand what they were saying instead of using antiquated gibberish, which might have been ignored by authorities-- they were preaching to people who couldn't escape, forcing the Gospel on someone, is not the way to do it.

The article is interesting, it will be interesting how the trial will turn out.

Titus 3:1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed,
2 to malign no one, to be uncontentious, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.---NASB

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