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Choice News SATURDAY, JUL 27, 2013  |  34 comments
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3 Dead When Bus Carrying Teens Crashes in Indiana

Editor's Note: Colonial Hills Baptist Church is a broadcaster on SermonAudio. Please be in prayer for these families.

Announcement from the Colonial Hills website.

Just this past Saturday (July 27) at around 4:30 p.m., the Lord allowed a bus accident to take Pastor Chad and Courtney Phelps and Mrs. Tonya Weindorf home to enjoy Him in His presence forever (Psalm 16:11; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Hebrews 11:13-16). Dozens of our children and teens were returning from a week of camp when the accident occurred with the teen bus. The Lord spared the lives of all 33 teenagers and 2 children on board and the bus driver, although many are still recovering from significant injuries. God's mercies in this tragedy are too many to recite (Psalm 103), and we magnify His sovereign goodness even in the moment of sorrow (Psalm 119:68; Romans 8:28-30). We believe the Biblical message of good news that God willingly and lovingly sacrificed His own Son, Jesus Christ, upon the cross in order that we might be rescued from the penalty of our sins; and because that same Jesus rose from the dead, we of all people have an assured hope of eternity beyond the grave through His resurrection and life (John 10:21-27). Furthermore, we have heard of God drawing people to Himself in saving faith through this situation, and we're amazed by a God who brings beauty out of ashes (Isaiah 61:1-3). For these reasons and many more, we rejoice, even as we sorrow!

Countless numbers of believers, churches, businesses, and community organizations have sent flowers, expressed prayer, posted strengthening words, and been a ministry of God's grace to our church family at this time. We cannot overstate the encouragement you have been to our church family, and we want to humbly thank you all for your loving and generous kindness, especially to those families directly affected by this accident.

God's grace is being found to be sufficient for our every need (2 Corinthians 12:9-10), and we are grateful for the rich and everlasting hope we have in Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:51-58) — since "absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," (2 Corinthians 5:8) we "sorrow not as those who have no hope" (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), for an everlasting reunion is promised with friends and family who have gone before, and in our midst will be our accomplished and victorious Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ (Revelation 21:1-5, 22-23).

A bus carrying teens coming home from a church camp crashed Saturday after exiting an interstate in Indianapolis, killing three people and sending 26 others to hospitals, officials said.

Indianapolis Fire Department Lt. Ato McTush said the dead included a man and a woman. He did not have information about the third victim.

Witnesses said the bus came speeding off of Interstate 465 on Saturday afternoon, struck a retaining wall as it tried to round a curve and overturned. WTHR-TV reported the bus driver told witnesses his brakes failed.

Karen Woodard, a member of the Colonia Hills Baptist Church, cried as she stared at the wrecked bus surrounded by pillows, water bottles and clothing. She said the bus was returning from a youth camp in Michigan and that some of the teens had their parents with them.


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News Item8/14/13 8:37 PM
Sam Watkins | Merrillville, IN  Find all comments by Sam Watkins
Dr. Phelps may have indeed try to hide some rapes a few years ago but my former IFB pastor is in Jail now.

My former pastor is Pastor Jack Schaap and he was on that 20/20 episode with Pastor Chuck Phelps.

I remeber watching that episode and I was so proud of my pastor then but I was disgusted with Pastor Chuck Phelps behavior.

I did not know that two years later, I would be even more disgusted, if that is possible, with my own Pastor Schaap.

What is it with these men of God that when they get power and a big church, they forget that it is not about them or their kingdom? It is Christ Kingdom forever.

Well, Pastor Schaap is were he belongs, in jail and Dr. Phelps is lucky he is not sitting in jail with him, based on what I saw on that 20/20 episode.

I don't agree with some that have been saying that this is judgement from God because we would all be dead.

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News Item8/14/13 7:01 PM
Kris N | Anderson IN  Find all comments by Kris N
Dr. Phelps is not liked very much at all in our circles and those circles are growing. It is all because of what he did to Tina Anderson and how he deceived everyone involved. It was a disasterous situation. Once it hit the mainstream news I had to disassociate myself with IFB groups all together. It was so uncomfortable and embarrassing to tell anyone anymore that I was a part of this same IFB network.

I am better off now because of that decision.

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News Item8/14/13 2:39 PM
Justine H. | Indiana  Find all comments by Justine H.
We go to a sister church and the funeral services for the four dear souls was packed with people from all over who love the Phelps family and we grieve with them for their loss.
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News Item8/14/13 1:35 PM
Tyler P | Virginia Beach Va.  Find all comments by Tyler P
I don't believe that Dr. Phelps is ever going to admit his covering up of the rapes. He has paid a price by now for his actions. Let us all give him some grace at this time.

We could all think of a better time to discuss those types of things and not here or now makes sense.

The people who passed on the bus and those that God spared is what should be talking about. We should be both sympathetic to the family members and rejoice over the spared lives.

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News Item8/14/13 1:11 PM
Joseph Mills | Greenville  Find all comments by Joseph Mills
Chad Phelps was going to be a great leader for the church and I am sorry the Lord took him home early.

We are all sick about hearing about the Chuck Phelps And Tina Anderson rape cover up.

First of all, Chuck said already about 1,000 times now, that he did not cover up a rape.

About half of my firends think that he did cover up the rapes but I tell those friends of mine to let it go, it was 15 years ago.

At least she was given a great life and a college education that Tina would have never received from her parents.

I don't see Tina upset anymore, do you? She got justice in the end and now it should be finished.

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News Item8/14/13 12:08 PM
Janet Gardner | Crown Point Indiana  Find all comments by Janet Gardner
My heart just goes out to all of the family members of this bus tragedy. We are so fortunate that God is so good and we need to appreciate each other more than we do.

It is so sad that so many scandals are still covering us all. Dr. Phelps has been tarnished enough from everyone for his involvement in the rape cover up.

I just hope we can all forgive Dr. Phelps as Christians. We should all move on to better things for Christ without having to have him apologies to the world.

Forgive and forget is best as believers. Forgive!!

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News Item8/14/13 8:55 AM
Brian N | Wisconsin  Find all comments by Brian N
I am so glad about the changes at Northland. So many of my friends still go to BJ. They are all telling me they may brave the cold and come to Northland with me now.

The crash was sad but I know there with Jesus now. We all got a black eye over the Tina Anderson trial. Unfortunately, We all lost all of our credibility because of Dr. Phelps and how things were handled.

We should never rally around a situation like this again. We should determine if there is any credible truth first and if so and only then, should we rally together behind a single man.

All of our reputations went south on this issue and it will take a lot of years to repair things.

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News Item8/14/13 8:12 AM
Cindy | Michigan  Find all comments by Cindy
I agree with all of you. It is still very sad about the bus crash.
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News Item8/13/13 9:18 PM
Tom D | Greenville SC  Find all comments by Tom D
Steve K. I know what you are saying about Fundamentalism and it is a mean spirited and misguided religious system. I did not graduate from Bob Jones but I almost lost my mind, will and soul. Thank God, I left behind them and all Fundamental circles that I use to belong to.

By the way, I was there when Chuck Phelps had to resign. No one liked him or respected him. Even the true Fundi students thought that Chuck Phelps was to mean and was very wrong for how he handled the Tina Anderson rape thing. They all whispered about Bob Jones is acting desperate to have him on their board.

Anyway. I know what you are or have gone through. I am also Free but I still look over my shoulders because it was the only way to survive at BJU. Good luck to you and I'm glad you escaped. I hope you will help others as they reason the truth and then they can be set free like us. God Bless.

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News Item8/13/13 8:49 PM
Steven K. | Greenville SC  Find all comments by Steven K.
Ya. Thats true. I love what the Word of God says. I just hate their traditions based on some elite group of Christians that say what they think God says about Music or hair length but their wrong but they don't care.

They are so caught up with such silly little things and they tell me how to live based on what their mom and dads dressed like.

I don't tell those old people who care so much about how I look in their sight and how silly they look and act and then tell them how to live to a T.

I feel so free being away from them and it seems they just make up stuff to try to make you stay in their control.

Like I said. My parents think the Fundi rules on wine are crazy and not really the truth but it is always what they preached and so they drink it in secret.

They also like pop and country music but they always turned in down on the way to church when I use to go with them.

They are miserable but they think they are in the right church and they think my new church is liberal. I think they are jealous because I have so much more joy. I get to worship God with my whole heart and I don't have to look or act like I am something I am not.

It's like if I did not fit exactly in their mold I must have a bad heart. They tried to make me feel uncomfortable so

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News Item8/13/13 8:25 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Steve K. wrote:
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I am just glad that I am old enough now to drive myself to a church where I live that allows me to worship God with CCM music.
Believe me for those who may not know how hard that can be to find a church that you like in Greenville SC that has CCM. I'm free now and I love Jesus more than I ever could in the Baptist church. They act so joyless. My parents drink a little wine with their meals sometimes.
My dad and mom always have to hide their wine in a restaurant because they fear seeing a fundi church member that may tell on them to others. My parents think their crazy on the no wine for dinner issue but they like the traditional music and stuff that fundi's have.
I also think fundamental baptist doctrines are like a cult. I am glad I am free from their judgeful eyes and I can enjoy worshipping God with others who don't judge me either.
Which of the fundamentals of the faith do you have difficulty with? Holding to the fundamentals is fundamentalism. If some tradition of the elder types make extra-biblical rules, it is not because they are fundamentalist, but because they are not.
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News Item8/13/13 7:35 PM
Steve K. | Greenville SC  Find all comments by Steve K.
I can understand how Zerkel feels. The Fundamentalist get away with everything at the top. I use to be a Fundi also. My parents made me go. I hated there rules. You can't wear certain pants to church, hair has to be above your ears and no CCM.

It was no fun and no joy. I go to a good church now. I don't know much about this Chuck Phelps and so I don't care about whatever he did.

I am just glad that I am old enough now to drive myself to a church where I live that allows me to worship God with CCM music.

Believe me for those who may not know how hard that can be to find a church that you like in Greenville SC that has CCM. I'm free now and I love Jesus more than I ever could in the Baptist church. They act so joyless. My parents drink a little wine with their meals sometimes.

My dad and mom always have to hide their wine in a restaurant because they fear seeing a fundi church member that may tell on them to others. My parents think their crazy on the no wine for dinner issue but they like the traditional music and stuff that fundi's have.

I also think fundamental baptist doctrines are like a cult. I am glad I am free from their judgeful eyes and I can enjoy worshipping God with others who don't judge me either.

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News Item8/13/13 6:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Zirkel wrote:
John UK / Wales. I understand, as most do, to always heed scripture.
However, are you suggesting that we ignore wrong or even criminal behavior because we are just supposed to forgive and let it go?
I hope I am wrong, but I seem to discern a root of bitterness from posters on this thread, and that concerns me, because the Lord teaches how damaging such a thing is.

Do we ignore criminal behaviour? Certainly not. The courts can deal with such. Was this man arrested and brought to court? I don't know anything about it.

Do we ignore wrong? Certainly not. I have left churches because of wrong and lack of repentance. I try to put it behind me.

What do you suggest? And why bring this thing up? Can anything be done? If not, all you can do is ferment bitterness in the hearts of God's people, so that they too come under chastisement of God. Maybe that is what you want to see. I don't know who you are. You might be a RCC troll for all I know. Who are you?

Injustice may be hard to bear, but it is far better for peace of soul to leave it alone. If you have a personal interest in the matter, why not deal with it personally? Wrongs happen all over the world. You want me to take an interest in all of them?

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News Item8/13/13 5:49 PM
Zirkel | Charleston SC  Find all comments by Zirkel
John UK / Wales. I understand, as most do, to always heed scripture.

However, are you suggesting that we ignore wrong or even criminal behavior because we are just supposed to forgive and let it go? If a pastor will not admit any wrongdoing and insists that whatever he does is okay because he's a pastor, are we just supposed to "let it go?" Who will ever stand up for the innocent victim? Didn't Jesus stand up for the underdog? Phelps never said he was sorry or asked for forgiveness. In fact, he maintains over and over that he's just being mistreated unfairly. He didn't do anything wrong. He stays in a position of power/authority with such a terrible disposition for victims. He protects the criminal!! How is it okay to just ignore this? By the way, these same Christians (example: BJU) never forgive and let go whatever they consider bad behavior. Ask any student or child under the authority of a fundi institution how much mercy/forgiveness they receive if they break a standard or rule. I personally know a student who received multiple punishments for a single, minor offense. He lived under punishment for months for breaking a man-made rule (not even a sin, just a university rule).

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News Item8/13/13 5:24 PM
weep with those who weep  Find all comments by weep with those who weep
Who is a God like unto you, who pardons iniquity, and passes by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retains not his anger forever, because he delights in mercy. Micah 7:18

Maybe we all should be glad that when it comes to the Lord's chastening hand that we can say like Ezra that God punishes us less than our iniquities deserve. Mr. Phelps should receive the 7x70 forgiveness and we should offer up prayers for God's sustaining grace in his life during this difficult time.

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News Item8/13/13 4:40 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Zirkel wrote:
Are you suggesting that Bible verse for Chuck Phelps?
The word of God is there for any who will heed its warnings.
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News Item8/13/13 4:28 PM
Zirkel | Charleston SC  Find all comments by Zirkel
I agree we should live peaceably with all men. And if one is claiming to be a pastor of the gospel and ask the innocent girl to repent why is he not repenting and admitting or confessing his cover up of a raped innocent 15 year old girl? Are you suggesting that Bible verse for Chuck Phelps?
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News Item8/13/13 1:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Hebrews 12:14-16 KJV
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
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News Item8/13/13 1:16 PM
Ben | S.C.  Find all comments by Ben
Wow, I never thought of that until now. I guess it could be judgment. Stuff Fundies Like had quoted Chuck Phelps hearing from Les Ollila that CCM is not a sin.

The Fundi's have always called out evil against any churches that preach the gospel, that had a guitar or a drum set as evil and that only they (Fundi's)have good Godly music. That is amazingly ungodly in itself. They, the fundi's are really just a seperatist cult.

But, Les Ollila said their is no sin in Contempory Christian Music. No Sin, then why through these belivers that have one in the mud?

Why do these Fundi's wine so much about
music or if your title has the word Baptist in it, which is irrelavent and people are as sick with the word baptist as they are with catholic priest molesting children or pastors hiding rapist in their church.

I think they are just realizing that the Fundamental movement has died but the old people haven't all died yet.

There is very little time left for these Fundi's.

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News Item8/13/13 1:10 PM
Jack Hyles country | Northern Indiana  Find all comments by Jack Hyles country
Now they are getting what we had to go through. I am sorry for the people who passed. Chuck is guilty as sin.
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