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Zimmerman found not guilty of murder in Trayvon Martin's death
When he learned his fate, a quiet Zimmerman had little visible reaction. His face was mostly expressionless. He turned and shook the hand of one of his attorneys before sitting back down, only openly smiling after court was adjourned. His parents, Robert and Gladys Zimmerman, were seated nearby, but Martin's parents were not in the courtroom.

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara said a short time later that he and his team were "ecstatic" with the verdict.

"George Zimmerman was never guilty of anything except protecting himself in self defense," O'Mara said.

The response from NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous struck a far different tone. ...


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News Item7/31/13 4:34 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
"To The Law And To The Testimony: If They Speak Not According To This Word, It Is Because There Is No Light In Them."--Isaiah 8:20

What Saith THE LAW In Florida ?

From Chapter 776 Of The Florida Criminal Code ("Justifiable Use Of Force") &-Or "STAND YOUR GROUND" LAW:

"(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. [The 2012 Florida Statues accessed 7/16/13] !

Now, Regarding Mr. Zimmerman's "Justifiable Use Of Force":

"(1)A person who uses force...is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer as defined in s.943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law..."

**Thus, It's Concluded Mr. Zimmerman Used "Justifiable" Force When He Shot Trayvon Martin !

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News Item7/24/13 8:43 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
erratum wrote:
OH! OH! spoke to soon.
The grief I have with you, is your use of Isaiah 64:6 as a proof text for the universal sinfulness of mankind, where even supposed righteousness of the unregenerate is compared to filthy rags.

I am not saying that mankind is not universally sinful and that all supposed righteousness is as filthy rags in God's sight.

Isaiah was a prophet of God to God's people. He spoke to God's people about their failure. Maybe this is why you are so upset by my words, they strike to your own heart. While you imagined Isaiah spoke to the unregenerate, you now see that he was taking to task God's disobedient people, which brings it straight to our own front door.

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News Item7/24/13 8:40 AM
Norwell  Find all comments by Norwell
Dylan wrote:
Prepare to meet Calvin in hell
Oh dear Dylan. You are not a Biblical Christian are you. Repent of your sin and ask the Lord to reveal His counsel to you. May God have mercy upon your soul.
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News Item7/24/13 8:34 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dylan wrote:
Prepare to meet Calvin in hell if you continue to refuse to repent of his damnable doctrines which blaspheme the very nature of God Himself.
Interesting. And what "damnable doctrines which blaspheme the very nature of God Himself" are you referring to? Thank you.
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News Item7/24/13 8:31 AM
erratum  Find all comments by erratum
John UK wrote:
1) I think not. It is the prophet declaring to God's people THEIR sins.

2) Nay lad, God speaks to his people in the OT.

1) Well at least that's an improvement on your previous interpretation.

2) OH! OH! spoke to soon. Is this more of the Baptist ideology of ignoring the existence of the Old Testament?? Or is this more of your persuasion that their is "nonsense" in the Bible??

Here's a Baptist version for you.
"And all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; which is to be understood not of the righteousness of some persons in the church, which lay in outward rites, ceremonies, and sacrifices, which were no righteousness before God, and could not take away sin; and were indeed on many accounts, as they were performed, loathsome and abominable; see Isaiah 1:11, or of others that lay in outward legal duties and works of the law, which were not done from right principles, as well as not perfect; and so, because of the impurity, imperfection, pride, and vanity, that appeared in them, were abominable to the Lord: but of the righteousnesses ***of the church herself;*** not of the righteousness of Christ, which was made hers by imputation" (john Gill Baptist)

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News Item7/24/13 8:27 AM
Dylan  Find all comments by Dylan
arboriculture wrote:
Prepare to meet Calvin in hell if you continue to refuse to repent of his damnable doctrines which blaspheme the very nature of God Himself.
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News Item7/24/13 8:20 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
erratum wrote:
Wrong interpretation.
It is the church complaining about human sinful righteousness.
I think not. It is the prophet declaring to God's people THEIR sins.

Isaiah 64:5-7 KJV
5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.

You reckon these words are designed for the world? The sinful world?

Nay lad, God speaks to his people in the OT.

Now note the context. In v5 for eg. we find...

"Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness..."

Oo look, some are working righteousness? And God will meet with such? But God's people at that time were NOT working righteousness, and were under God's displeasure and wroth.

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News Item7/24/13 8:09 AM
erratum  Find all comments by erratum
John UK wrote:
1. 'All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags' (in Isaiah) is a complaint by God that his people are not bearing the proper fruit.
Wrong interpretation.
It is the church complaining about human sinful righteousness.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

As Matthew Henry says.
"We have all by sin become not only obnoxious to God's justice, but odious to his holiness; for sin is that abominable thing which the Lord hates, and cannot endure to look upon. Even all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. (1.) "The best of our persons are so; we are all so corrupt and polluted that even those among us who pass for righteous men, in comparison with what our fathers were who rejoiced and wrought righteousness (v. 5), are but as filthy rags, fit to be case to the dunghill."

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News Item7/23/13 3:52 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Let's hope the fireworks display isn't over before it started.
Damp squib, bro. It's over, they all went home.
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News Item7/23/13 10:33 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
arboriculture wrote:
1. Thus our righteousness is a filthy rag.
2. And we need the imputed righteousness of Christ.
1. Not necessarily. 'All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags' (in Isaiah) is a complaint by God that his people are not bearing the proper fruit. It is not God's will that his people should bear bad fruit.

2. Absolutely agree with that!

2b. And you don't get that until you believe and trust in Christ.

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News Item7/23/13 10:23 AM
arboriculture  Find all comments by arboriculture
Mike wrote:
What would you say is the problem for which this punishment is the solution?
Its more about the punishment itself that I'm looking at. God imputed the guilt of Adam into his posterity, but that's not all. God also took away the righteousness Adam had prior to his sin. Thus posterity has all the sin but none of the gifts God originally bestowed on Adam.

Quenstedt (†1688), "Ques. Theo. Did.," Pol 1., 994.—"It was not simply of the good pleasure or the absolute sovereignty of God, but of the highest justice and equity, that the sin, which Adam as the root and origin of the whole human race committed, should be imputed to us, and propagated in us so as to constitute us guilty."

Calvin.—"God by a just judgment condemned us to wrath in Adam, and willed us to be born corrupt on account of his sin."

H. Witsius (1636–1708), "Economy," Bk. 1., ch. 8, §5 33 and 34.—"It is therefore necessary that the sin of Adam in virtue of the covenant of works, be so laid to the charge of his posterity, who were comprised with him in the same covenant, that, on account of the demerit of his sin, they are born destitute of original righteousness,"

Thus our righteousness is a filthy rag.
And we need the imputed righteousness of Christ.

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News Item7/23/13 4:25 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
I guess I misjudged our friend, John. Here I thought he/she was well versed on first/second cause and could help us all out with definitions especially since these terms are rarely used here.
I'm not at all dogmatic about these terms but I once read that first cause pertains to God's eternal decree of all that would happen in time, decreed before He spoke creation into existance, and second cause is the means by which God's decree is carried out in time. I have no issue with that but if someone has a better understanding I would certainly listen and take note.
Let's hope the fireworks display isn't over before it started.
Thanks bro, for the definitions; it's all a bit beyond me, but 'twill be interesting to see what t'other thinks about it, seeing as it was he brought it up.
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News Item7/22/13 11:03 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Well Lurker, you're not asking more questions of someone who has gained a reputation on these threads for never answering questions are you?
Here's me, all agog and waiting excitedly for the answer to your probing questions and it's all sort of fizzling out, like a firework that never actually goes off, but fizzles and fizzes for a while, making a bit of smoke, but no real noise or effort. But then, you don't dare go near them in case there is a still a spark which could set them going again.
I guess I misjudged our friend, John. Here I thought he/she was well versed on first/second cause and could help us all out with definitions especially since these terms are rarely used here.

I'm not at all dogmatic about these terms but I once read that first cause pertains to God's eternal decree of all that would happen in time, decreed before He spoke creation into existance, and second cause is the means by which God's decree is carried out in time. I have no issue with that but if someone has a better understanding I would certainly listen and take note.

Let's hope the fireworks display isn't over before it started.

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News Item7/22/13 4:57 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
arboriculture wrote:
The solution is not to be found in the planting of the tree.
It is not to be found in His sovereignty.
It is to be found in His justice.
It is to be found in the punishment of Adam and his posterity.
What would you say is the problem for which this punishment is the solution?
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News Item7/22/13 4:28 PM
arboriculture  Find all comments by arboriculture
The solution is not to be found in the planting of the tree.
It is not to be found in His sovereignty.
It is to be found in His justice.
It is to be found in the punishment of Adam and his posterity.
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News Item7/22/13 1:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker to aboriculture wrote:
Someone must be responsible.
I simply asked for your definitions of first and second cause so we all may understand why/how responsibility for the commission of sin falls to second cause. Is that a problem?
Well Lurker, you're not asking more questions of someone who has gained a reputation on these threads for never answering questions are you?

Here's me, all agog and waiting excitedly for the answer to your probing questions and it's all sort of fizzling out, like a firework that never actually goes off, but fizzles and fizzes for a while, making a bit of smoke, but no real noise or effort. But then, you don't dare go near them in case there is a still a spark which could set them going again.

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News Item7/22/13 11:46 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
arboriculture wrote:
The word which is vastly out of place in your post is "responsible".
Otherwise you like all of us must deal with reality.
Someone must be responsible.

I simply asked for your definitions of first and second cause so we all may understand why/how responsibility for the commission of sin falls to second cause. Is that a problem?

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News Item7/22/13 11:37 AM
arboriculture  Find all comments by arboriculture
Lurker wrote:
2) Definitions of "first cause" and "second cause" would be in order lest someone perceives you are saying God is ultimately responsible for evil.
2a) "Dumb" means unable to speak.
The word which is vastly out of place in your post is "responsible".

Otherwise you like all of us must deal with reality.

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News Item7/22/13 11:15 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
arboriculture wrote:
2) "First Cause" is by God only. HE is the only one who can execute First Cause.

2a) An idol can do nothing as God says in the Bible they are dumb.

2) Definitions of "first cause" and "second cause" would be in order lest someone perceives you are saying God is ultimately responsible for evil.

2a) "Dumb" means unable to speak.

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News Item7/22/13 9:47 AM
arboriculture  Find all comments by arboriculture
Mike wrote:
1) Not so. The cause of sin in man is man.(Romans 5:12) Would you say the auto is cause of a ...
2) The first cause of an idol being what?
1) After Adam sinned the cause of sin in man is sin. Man is under the dominion of sin. Rom 6:14. and Rom 7:17,20.

That one tree was put there by God for a specific purpose only. As you said God planted the tree, He vested it with the power and purpose. Therefore God 'planted' the purpose of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The subsequent whole powerful spectrum of the spiritual realm was placed there in one tree in the garden set against Adam and Eve. No tree - No original sin.
Even Satan had to use the tree for his works of temptation, without the tree he would have had no 'instrument' to use.

2) "First Cause" is by God only. HE is the only one who can execute First Cause. An idol can do nothing as God says in the Bible they are dumb.

Remember your original post point was quote; "nothing happens in this world without his orderly arrangement" is hard to interpret differently."

God's sovereignty is absolute and complete over all. Even though man's responsibility is held within that law.

ps "All things" - Col 1:16, John 1:3, Rom 11:36. including 'principalities.'

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