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WEDNESDAY, JUL 10, 2013  |  17 comments
Patient Wakes Up as Doctors Get Ready to Remove Organs

It was exactly midnight when Caroline Burns eerily opened her eyes and looked at the operating lights above her, shocking doctors who believed she was dead and were about to remove her organs and donate them to patients on the transplant waiting list.

The Syracuse Post-Standard unearthed a report from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that chronicled the series of errors that led to the near-organ removal on a living patient at St. Joseph's Hospital Health Center in Syracuse, N.Y., in 2009.

"The patient did not suffer a cardiopulmonary arrest (as documented) and did not have irreversible brain damage," the HHS report concluded. "The patient did not meet criteria for withdrawal of care." ...


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jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Christopher -- nothing that you are saying sounds ridiculous to me. there are experiences that those around me have had and seen -- the spiritual world is real, and is not conquered through intellect.... but by the Holy Spirit!

And I imagine that I may also be judged as a "nut"... but I would add this.... we are body, mind, spirit. while God feeds the spirit and cleanses the mind, we also have a body that needs to be taken care of.

I've seen where weaknesses in the body can exasperate spiritual issues -- when one is weakest...... mineral deficencies are common and the food these days, msg, chemicals, gms, aspartame! they can call have a poisoning effect on the mind... mental issues can be brought on by simple nutritional deficiencies, vitamin d3, c, etc. those who have mold issues in their homes will often talk about dealing with spiritual attacks.....

there is a physical dimension to physical issues....

I agree wholeheartedly with other comments and prayer is the key, purging the practices of the past life, and also taking care of the temple of God you reside in...

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News Item7/11/13 8:19 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
...thanks, Phoebe, and I like your phrase, "it is the rape of knowledge"
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News Item7/11/13 8:18 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I know that the practice is dark and forbidden and that's why I stopped. The reason I said I wasn't quite certain yesterday is because if I am saved, and no longer practice it, I wonder why it keeps happening. I have prayed "God, if this isn't of you, plaease make it stop hapenning", or I would say during, "God, if this isn't of you, don't let me come out", but I would still come out or the experiences would continue. Anyway, it happens less now than it ever has but I can still expect a spurt for a couple of nights every 2-3 months or so. The vibrations always wake me up and I begin fighting it immediately. Not only do I not want to see anything, out of fear, but the associated noises can be frightening as well.
Yes, what John said was helpful. I prayed it last night but couldn't remember it all so I'm goung to write it down for tonight. He also mentioned getting rid of things from the past which I have a lot of. Heavy metal CD's, drug paraphernalia, occultic books and pdf's, among other things. They are all buried somewhere but guess I should get rid of it all. I'll miss all of the CD's though because I find Christian music kind of boring. That's ok though because most heavy metal lyrics are not anything Christians should be listening to.

Thanks Phoebe, and I lik

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News Item7/11/13 8:04 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Angela. Well, it certainly isn't anything I go around telling people on a normal day...ha-ha. One reason I don't is because I know it is dark, the other is because if someone hasn't experienced/practiced it firsthand, then they really can't believe it; chalking it up to delusions or dreams. No, no, no...it's the real deal. I practiced it every day for many, many years, but stopped shortly before joining this forum. Now, it happens randomly, but in spurts. Nothing for say, months, but then night after night I battle to stay in. By battle, I mean that I try to wake my body up by thrashing around or yelling, but the fact of the matter is that my body is basically paralized so all of the movement and perceived yelling really doesn't amount to much. My goal is always to shake or say something just loud enough to wake my wife so she will shake me. That always does the trick. Praying used to work pretty well but, for some reason, hasn't been doing much lately. One of the reasons I don't open my eyes anymore is because many times I have felt as if I was being pulled out, or held down, and that really terrifies me. I have only seen something out of the ordinary once and that was enough for.
Yes, for all who read this, I know how "out there" it sounds. : )
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News Item7/10/13 10:38 PM
Phoebe  Find all comments by Phoebe
I think true holiness is being able to look at the sin of the world - or in ones own heart - and be repulsed by it rather than attracted by it.
The Spirit shows us what is sin and what is not.
Out of body experiences are to be shunned as mysticism. It is crossing a boundary where God said - no go. Fullstop.
It is the rape of knowledge.
There is no grey area where the occult is concerned.
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News Item7/10/13 7:20 PM
Angela Wittman | Souithern Illinois  Find all comments by Angela Wittman
Dear Christopher, It must have taken much courage for you to confess your previous activities on this forum. I think John from the UK gave you good advice. Just remember that you are a new creation in Christ and that Jesus is the author and finisher of your faith. May the good Lord bless you. - Angela
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News Item7/10/13 6:10 PM
Andrew | Australia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Andrew
I appreciate what you say re the immediate detachment of the soul, Christopher. And, to San Jose John, I appreciate the laying down of one's life for their friend. I do have a medical background myself. It appears that you agree, John, that even by medical definitions of 'life', in the case of organ harvesting, the person is still very much alive, regardless whether their soul is still present or not. However, the point in these cases is that the harvesting is more than likely occurring against the will of the person from whom the organs are being harvested. You could argue that we do not really know the person's will in this regard, but should the default not be to err on the side of caution? Food for thought, anyway, and it brings to mind abortion. What is God's will? And...regarding blood product donation...that is totally voluntary. Cheers from Andy!
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News Item7/10/13 4:44 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks, John...no, I don't think I ever said anything along those lines, but will tonight. Sounds like there is a lot of power in those few lines.
Yes, the reason I said that was because just after I was converted, one of my best friends enquired what had happened to me. He was very much into Dennis Wheatley books, dark occultic things, always smoking pot and composing weird music on his guitar. His bedroom at home was filled with devilish things.

I let him listen to Willy Mullan's testimony, and he was incredibly touched and motivated by the Holy Spirit. As a young Christian myself, I knew nothing else to tell him. But together we got a book from a Christian bookshop about becoming a Christian, and he devoured it, wanting to know what he should do.

The very first chapter was about repentance, especially renouncing the devil and all his works, and making a huge decision to leave it all behind, to serve Christ. At the end of the chapter was a sample sort of prayer to God, which was very helpful, as neither of us knew anything about prayer.

My friend had a bonfire and burnt all his devilish things, before kneeling down and praying to God. A few seconds later, and he received assurance from the Lord of salvation.

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News Item7/10/13 4:32 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks, John...no, I don't think I ever said anything along those lines, but will tonight. Sounds like there is a lot of power in those few lines.
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News Item7/10/13 4:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
By the way, it still happens at random, to this day. I have to fight it every time because I have never figured out if it is something that's ok to do or not. Not only that, but I am terrified to open my eyes while out anymore because I'm afraid of seeing something so terrible that I might have a heart attack. May e not, but this is always on my mind right before.
Everyones thoughts right now: "Who is this nut"?
No, not a nut - unless you want to call yourself a "Jesus Nut". As Arthur Blessitt used to say, "If I'm a nut, at least I'm screwed on the right bolt."

What you put forward sounds occultic to me, Christopher. Nothing to worry about, if you're trusting in Jesus Christ. It's all part of the warfare with the devil. I would just ask, when you fully committed your life to Jesus, did you fully renounce and repent of all involvement with dark things? If not, do so straightway; renounce the devil and all his works and your willing participation. Plead the blood of Christ as the only means of cleansing and deliverance. Ask the Lord Jesus for his full protection over your life, and for his full peace in your mind. Praise God for his victory over the devil! Stand firm!

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News Item7/10/13 3:59 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
John Beechy, I sure do appreciate your comments.
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News Item7/10/13 3:35 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
By the way, it still happens at random, to this day. I have to fight it every time because I have never figured out if it is something that's ok to do or not. Not only that, but I am terrified to open my eyes while out anymore because I'm afraid of seeing something so terrible that I might have a heart attack. May e not, but this is always on my mind right before.
Everyones thoughts right now: "Who is this nut"?
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News Item7/10/13 3:31 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Andrew, I have always had an issue with this topic as well. Nobody can say for certain one way or the other but it is something that has concerned me as well. All I can really ever say about it is, "hmmm".
As for the soul...totally disagree. I believe it detaches at the precise moment of death and can detach during moments of trauma for whatever reason as well. I could go into some details but some hhere would call me crazy or possessed...ha-ha. I, in my darker days, used to astral project. I could never control when I went out, or myself as I was out, but I have been out, fully conscious...not lucid dreaming or drug induced, although I can't convince anyone of that, 100's of times, without any control on my part. I don't care to bring things like this up because I get labelled a lunatic.
Remember the thief on the cross: "Today you will be with me in paradise".
Anyway, the story...how about those who wake up from anesthesia during surgery. They feel everything; the incredible pain, but are paralyzed with only their brain working to feel it all.
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News Item7/10/13 3:09 PM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
If this practice didn't have the blessing of the State then professed believers would abhor it and call it New Age, witchcraft and all that.

I think it's perverse.

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News Item7/10/13 2:42 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Andrew wrote:
It would be interesting to know God's thoughts on organ harvesting/transplantation; after all, the body parts are still 'alive' when transplanted, otherwise they'd be useless. I've always considered organ harvesting a contentious issue. The media only ever shows us the part where the recipient benefits, notwithstanding the curious phenomenon of 'rejection'. My present understanding, rightly or wrongly, is that it takes 3 days for the soul to depart the body. So, all organ harvesting is premature, and there would be nothing worth harvesting after 3 days; so, forget it! I consider it another of Satan's lies, deceptions. This is a case in point, regardless that the poor soul suicided later. I believe the medicos often can't wait to get their greedy hands on people's body parts. Watch out for them.
JWs don't like it but most every Christian preacher I've heard say it's biblical to donate blood and organs since Christ said "greater love hath no man than this that he lay down his life for his friends".

"Life" includes blood and organs.

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News Item7/10/13 11:44 AM
Andrew | Australia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Andrew
It would be interesting to know God's thoughts on organ harvesting/transplantation; after all, the body parts are still 'alive' when transplanted, otherwise they'd be useless. I've always considered organ harvesting a contentious issue. The media only ever shows us the part where the recipient benefits, notwithstanding the curious phenomenon of 'rejection'. My present understanding, rightly or wrongly, is that it takes 3 days for the soul to depart the body. So, all organ harvesting is premature, and there would be nothing worth harvesting after 3 days; so, forget it! I consider it another of Satan's lies, deceptions. This is a case in point, regardless that the poor soul suicided later. I believe the medicos often can't wait to get their greedy hands on people's body parts. Watch out for them.
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News Item7/10/13 8:29 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Yikes!
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