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TUESDAY, JUL 9, 2013  |  30 comments
What would Jesus drive? Pope tells priests to buy "humble" cars

Pope Francis said on Saturday it pained him to see priests driving flashy cars, and told them to pick something more "humble".

As part of his drive to make the Catholic Church more austere and focus on the poor, Francis told young and trainee priests and nuns from around the world that having the latest smartphone or fashion accessory was not the route to happiness.

"It hurts me when I see a priest or a nun with the latest model car, you can't do this," he said.


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News Item7/22/13 2:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John Yurich USA wrote:
My priest recently purchased a used convertible. My priest is very frugal pertaining to monetary resources.
He's a complete sluggard with religious resources, John Y., The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood.
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News Item7/10/13 4:18 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
What a fun/funny question!

Donkeys were the "cars" of Jesus' day, and since he had to "borrow" one on which to ride into Jerusalem I get the idea that he didn't even OWN one himself.

I myself picture the most likely modern "motorized" scenario of Christ and His disciples as all 13 of them putting around in a full-sized van or small bus--with Peter most likely in the drivers' seat. Lol!

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News Item7/10/13 3:00 PM
question  Find all comments by question
Mike wrote:
a. not all men respond to the same temptation the same way.
b. #(1) No, sin is not created by circumstances. #(2) Circumstances create the condition in which temptation may come about
c. As to commonality, the temptation of 1 Cor 10:13 does not speak of a single temptation common to man, but that temptation of various types is common to man
a. But the point is that all men respond to temptation - which is common effect in fallen mankind.
b. I perceive your points #(1) and #(2) as being the same thing with the same end result. Circumstances are crucial to the temptation. If the circumstances did not exist in the first place then the sin/temptation could not exist. The circumstance of David seeing Bathsheba in her bath created the temptation which resulted in the sin. Remove Bathsheba from the picture and David would have behaved himself.
c. The common factor is temptation. Man is born with a built in attribute of temptation. He is a sinner. The difference between one person being tempted and another not, - is personal decision based at that moment, upon inherent characteristics borne from life experiences. Even the NAZI guards thought they were right. Their "sins" are part of our judgment not theirs.
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News Item7/10/13 11:32 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
question wrote:
1Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as IS COMMON TO MAN: but God is faithful, .....
Also in relation to "commonality" -
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted
Is sin created by circumstances?
If you had been a German in 1920/30's Germany would you have followed the career of the NAZI guard?
Last question first. Not relevant, I wasn't there. But it is true that not all Germans were entranced by their evil government, and many died fighting against it. I doubt all those who fought were Christian, so no, not all men respond to the same temptation the same way.

No, sin is not created by circumstances. Circumstances create the condition in which temptation may come about. (think David and Bathsheba)

As to commonality, the temptation of 1 Cor 10:13 does not speak of a single temptation common to man, but that temptation of various types is common to man. In other words, it is common for men to be tempted. It still remains that each will respond according to his own lust. Go back to verses 7,8,9,10. Consider the meaning of the phrase "some of them" in each verse.

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News Item7/10/13 9:55 AM
question  Find all comments by question
Mike NY wrote:
I would disagree with the survivor. No, not every man is capable of doing the same evil as the Nazi guard, for not every man is tempted by the same things.
1Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as IS COMMON TO MAN: but God is faithful, .....

Also in relation to "commonality" -
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted

Is sin created by circumstances?
If you had been a German in 1920/30's Germany would you have followed the career of the NAZI guard?

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News Item7/10/13 9:24 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
yes, Christopher, I agree that an institution that says they carry the truth of Christ (thereby the arbitors of the supposed message of Christ to the world) -- but then tirelessly involves herself in the death of the saints has the great mark of the harlot.
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News Item7/10/13 8:49 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John UK from Wales writes:
Christopher000 wrote:
I probably didn't even make sense here...I'm tired...
Correct!

Good day!

That's what I figured. I don't even know what I meant or how it relates to anything. Oh boy.

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News Item7/10/13 8:43 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Mike wrote:
The issue is, from the perspective of God, there are no small sins. All have come short.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
Yet, Michael, I would disagree with the survivor. No, not every man is capable of doing the same evil as the Nazi guard, for not every man is tempted by the same things.
James 1:14 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."
His own lust, not somebody else's. Nor is there a common temptation to murder, not even among unbelievers.
Mike NY
I will respect that as your opinion/observation

for me, I don't know about the rest of you all, but for me it is far safer to never imagine, that apart from the grace of God, I am incapable of committing the worst of sins.

So I like stories such as:
the little boy praying at the altar confessing idolatry, blasphemy, adultery, murder, theft, lying, crying and beating his young breast, 'God be merciful to me the sinner.' When asked by his pastor, you're too young to have commited all those sins why are you praying this way. The little boy with tears in his eyes said, 'Pastor sin is so terrible I wanted to give them up before I ever started.'

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News Item7/10/13 8:42 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
I probably didn't even make sense here...I'm tired...
Correct!

Good day!

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News Item7/10/13 7:06 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I think the difference between the RCC, the West, Islam, etc, is that the RCC has a responsibility to God since they preach Christ. The problem is that they have never abandoned all of the Pagan carry overs from Constantine and they have added to the Word of God since. I don't see a comparison between them, the West; athiests, or Islam; cult, because they don't claim to be Christians who tout that they are the one true church. They don't condemn any and all who are outside the church to Hell or use the Bible and God Himself to further their kingdom; ensuring the destruction of billions.
I probably didn't even make sense here...I'm tired...
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News Item7/9/13 7:34 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Michael Hranek wrote:
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I am reminded of a Jewish survivor of the holocaust who collapsed at the trial of a brutal nazi guard. Why? Because of the terrible attrocities? No! Because this Jewish man realized he was a man, fully capable of the same evil this SS trooper had committed.
All of us are 'that bad sinners' and lie if we say we are not.
The issue is, from the perspective of God, there are no small sins. All have come short.

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Yet, Michael, I would disagree with the survivor. No, not every man is capable of doing the same evil as the Nazi guard, for not every man is tempted by the same things.

James 1:14 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."

His own lust, not somebody else's. Nor is there a common temptation to murder, not even among unbelievers.

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News Item7/9/13 4:15 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
I would like someone to provide a checklist of the characteristics of the Harlot RCC of the Middle Ages and then show how the west today does not also fit the same description.

and then put the UN in there, the Synagogue of Satan of Rev 3, and the great powers of Islm and see not the same thing? Or the great end time Atheist States?

End time Babylon mirrors the Ancient one, its a world wide coming together. Scripture says to come out of it. The answer is to follow Christ.

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News Item7/9/13 2:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
First of all, look at the series of posts between Michael H. and UPS, really quite good.

Getting back to the temporal world of the Romish Church, one should look at the rather short article, Why Pope Francis May Be a Catholic Nightmare, which may mean he will be a pink rather Red Pope? such as Paul VI q.v. Paul VI and the murder of Aldo Moro: the sleeping past stirs, the new Pope may not get anymore done than the others in the half century before him. If more people come out of the Romish Church, that would be a good thing. The Papacy has nothing to recommend it now except if it drives more Catholics away from the RCC.

SteveR for the sake of all Christendom he recognize the The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood and dissolve the office of The Pope and the Papacy.

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News Item7/9/13 12:11 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
The Scripture states even the plowing of the wicked in sin. Obviously nothing wrong with plowing but God sees the heart not concerned with His glory or acknowledging His mercies. If the pope and his cardinals drive a Yugo, they would still be an abomination to Almighty God. Also, even if I agree with the statement from sister JPW (that such a message is being passed off as Biblical) surely she is not suggesting that one wrong teaching is better than another? Lots of people do good things that should be emulated, Bon Jovi just gave a million dollars to help victims of hurricane Sandy, that is still filthy rags in the site of a holy and just God.
Unprofitable Servant
Your post touches on one of the most heartbreaking realities that exist:
Good, even exceptionally good people, humanly speaking are still frightfully sinners, rightly deserving the eternal punishment of hell for their sins.

I am reminded of a Jewish survivor of the holocaust who collapsed at the trial of a brutal nazi guard. Why? Because of the terrible attrocities? No! Because this Jewish man realized he was a man, fully capable of the same evil this SS trooper had committed.

All of us are 'that bad sinners' and lie if we say we are not.

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News Item7/9/13 11:50 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
The Scripture states even the plowing of the wicked in sin. Obviously nothing wrong with plowing but God sees the heart not concerned with His glory or acknowledging His mercies. If the pope and his cardinals drive a Yugo, they would still be an abomination to Almighty God. Also, even if I agree with the statement from sister JPW (that such a message is being passed off as Biblical) surely she is not suggesting that one wrong teaching is better than another? Lots of people do good things that should be emulated, Bon Jovi just gave a million dollars to help victims of hurricane Sandy, that is still filthy rags in the site of a holy and just God.
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News Item7/9/13 11:02 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
modicum of heart wrote:
"The ANSA news agency said the pope's car of choice for moving around the walled Vatican City was a compact Ford Focus."
The pastor of 1,200,000,000 drives a $13,000 car. What CEO of even a medium-sized company drives such a modest set of wheels?
If all I did was drive around my backyard, a compact would do for me as well. Or even a scooter. But when I go distances, something heftier is used. Not as hefty nor nearly as expensive as what the Pope has used outside Vatican City, but sufficient.
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News Item7/9/13 10:49 AM
begin at the top  Find all comments by begin at the top
This is hypocrisy.

From the antichrist who runs the Trillion dollar Vatican with all its history of collecting gold and decorated with the solid gold idolatry all over its walls in Vatican city and all over the world in Roman Catholic buildings.

Satan's religious houses are peppered with gold and silver whilst people are starving outside their buildings.

Quote;
"It was a discovery which, according to one account, horrified Pope John Paul I, who wrote: "...this morning, I flushed my toilet with a solid gold lever edged with diamonds and at this very moment, bishops and cardinals are using a bathroom on the second floor of the Papal palace with trappings, I am told, (that) would draw more than fifty million dollars at auction."" (france24)

"When all its global properties - stretching from St. Peter's Basilica to Brazil to Old Bond Street - are added up, the Vatican's nest egg, experts say, amounts to trillions of dollars." Vatican. Economy larger than US??

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News Item7/9/13 10:48 AM
WWJW  Find all comments by WWJW
SteveR wrote:
But he will continue to wear Papal regalia and insignia at a cost that surpasses that number. Even his Cardinals have multi thousand dollar outfits.
While he quotes a sound Biblical Principle, he really should lead by example & run his Church more modestly. I suggest for all Christendom, he should rather melt down all the precious metals in his idols and put that wealth to better use
2 Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
They need to sell their robes and locate totally cool Ts and button-down skinny jeans. Save money. Look better. Reach the young, restless and reformed, too.

Melt all the gold-leaf off the walls and statues, acquire Chinese cargo ships filled with Jumbotron ultra HD plasma screens and TV cameras and liberally satellite network all of their 100,000s of parishes, cathedrals and basilicas.

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News Item7/9/13 10:02 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
modicum of heart wrote:
"The ANSA news agency said the pope's car of choice for moving around the walled Vatican City was a compact Ford Focus."
The pastor of 1,200,000,000 drives a $13,000 car. What CEO of even a medium-sized company drives such a modest set of wheels?
But he will continue to wear Papal regalia and insignia at a cost that surpasses that number. Even his Cardinals have multi thousand dollar outfits.

While he quotes a sound Biblical Principle, he really should lead by example & run his Church more modestly. I suggest for all Christendom, he should rather melt down all the precious metals in his idols and put that wealth to better use

2 Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

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News Item7/9/13 9:49 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
jpw wrote:
well, his idea of living frugally makes a lot more sense than the prosperity, "go-fight-them-wores-and-God-will-protect-you", "everyone's-on-foodstamps-and-the-jobs-have-all-left-but-its-just-a-'recession' bolagna that we like to pass off as biblical teaching.
jpw
Certainly the "prosperity preachers" of the Word Faith Movement are revolting in their greedy extravagence and self-indulgence.

Yet the discussion on this thread reminds me of something I've read in Halley's Bible Handbook of how the OT prophets who did speak against 'social injustice' where nevertheless far more concerned with and provoked by the idolatry of the people, which after all is in God's own words is an iniquity of those who hate Him.

Could it be we, human beings living right now on earth, are more concerned with things that affect us and our having a civil society than we are with the seriousness of sin against Holy God and what is actually important and right in His sight?

IMHO Satan will (ab)use social issues to seduce gullible people into joining with the Great Harlot of Babylon as such a thing is enormously harmful to the real preaching of Jesus Christ and the obedience of faith the Gospel will bring about in those who fear God and love Him

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