Pope John Paul II has cleared the final obstacle before being made a saint, awaiting just the final approval from Pope Francis and a date for the ceremony that could come as soon as Dec. 8, a Vatican official and news reports said Tuesday.
The ANSA news agency reported that a commission of cardinals and bishops met Tuesday to consider John Paul's case and signed off on it. A Vatican official confirmed that the decision had been taken some time back and that Tuesday's meeting was essentially a formality....
It should be pointed out a Pope who is very anxious to see His Unholiness JPII to be made a Saint of Satan was his successor, in the hope of covering up a multitude of sins, Pope Benedict has to answer for his failure on child abuse. One reason he became a Pope Emeritus, so he could dodge prosecution in several countries.
"VATICAN PANEL CLEARS JOHN PAUL II FOR SATANHOOD !"
But Then Again, The Vatican Now Has A "Pope" Via The [DIS]ORDER OF "THE SOCIETY OF [SATAN]" !
"Beware Of False Prophets (And THE FALSE PROPHET OF FALSE PROPHETS), Which Come To You In Sheep's Clothing, But Inwardly They Are Ravening WOLVES (As In THE WOLF OF WOLVES 'IGNATIUS LOPEZ--LUPUS--LOBO--WOLF DE RECALDE OF LOYOLA')." MATTHEW 7:15
"Behold, I (Christ Jesus) Send You (My Disciples) As Sheep In The Midst Of WOLVES: Be Ye Therefore Wise As Serpents, And Harmless As Doves." Matthew 10:16
"Go Your Ways: Behold, I (The LORD Jesus Christ) Send You (My Disciples) Forth As Lambs Among WOLVES." Luke 10:3
"For I Know This, That After My Departing Shall GRIEVOUS WOLVES Enter In Among You, Not Sparing The Flock.
Also Of Your Own Selves Shall Men Arise, Speaking Perverse Things, To Draw Away Disciples After Them.
Therefore Watch, And Remember, That By The Space Of Three Years I Ceased Not To Warn Every One Night And Day With Tears.
And Now, Brethren, I Commend You To GOD, And THE WORD Of HIS Grace, Which Is Able To Build You Up, And To Give You An Inheritance Among Them Which Are Sanctified." Acts 20:29-32
"FOR ALL MEN HAVE NOT FAITH (IN CHRIST ALONE)." 2 THESS. 3:2b !
Kelsey Gifford wrote: It took them that long to declare the man a saint? I'm surely glad that I was instantly declared a saint when I got saved.
Quite so. And they were wrong to declare him a saint anyway.
Saints have been saved by God's grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: ...but hell is the current residing place of the impenitent lost (see Luke 16).
I'm with you on this one US. The impenitent sinner dies, the soul separates from the body, God makes his judgment and allocates a place for the soul in hell.
You are also astute in noticing that John worded it wrongly concerning the timing of Christ's acceptance of the Christian's judgment. When he said, "Finished", it was complete, already done, the atoning work concluded, the elect effectively saved in God's eyes.
Not sure I would see things as you are stating them San Jose John, and if I am not representing what you are stating, my apologies. There is indeed a difference between hell and the lake of fire, but hell is the current residing place of the impenitent lost (see Luke 16) and it (hell)is cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 20. I am not exactly sure what you mean by Christians have been judged and damned AFTER Christ said it is finished, because that would imply it was not finished. Christ suffered our punishment but there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus so I am not clear where you are pulling your theology from but it does not appear to be the Scriptures. Both hell and the lake of fire would be described as a place of eternal punishment where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die. Maybe you could offer some more clarity please. Also II Corinthians 5:10 and Romans 14:12 along I Corinthians 3 tell us we still face the judgment seat of Christ as believers. The fact we are not condemned doesn't mean we will not be judged.
Christopher000 wrote: SJ John just reminded me of a burning question I always forget to ask: I know born again Christians will be judged according to their works to figure out what rewards they get, but...will we be judged according to what we have done, said, and thought; with every word, thought, and deed, being exposed for all to see? I think it would be terrible and embarassing for all of these things, even after becoming a Christian, to be exposed and remembered once again.
God has chosen to forget them Christopher.
Hebrews 8:12 KJV 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:15-17 KJV 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
SJ John just reminded me of a burning question I always forget to ask: I know born again Christians will be judged according to their works to figure out what rewards they get, but...will we be judged according to what we have done, said, and thought; with every word, thought, and deed, being exposed for all to see? I think it would be terrible and embarassing for all of these things, even after becoming a Christian, to be exposed and remembered once again.
Beyond dead wrote: "He's in hell, Jim." -Capt James T. Kirk, USS Enterprise
He may very well be in Hell following Judgement Day, when all the lost will be "...cast into the lake of fire", as it says in Revelation.
Hebrews says it is appointed for a man once to die and then to be judged. Christians have already been judged AND damned in Christ after He said "It is finished", so they enter into paradise IMMEDIATELY after death even as Christ did. Not so the unsaved, which have to be judged first for their sins and then punished for them by damnation on the last day.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, theologically or otherwise.
Well, Chris, actually two prayers had to be answered, and since JPII is in hell rather than heaven, I would really think the devil did it. Of course what I was trying to do and to now put two messages into one, Praying to Saints--A Dangerous Practice.
The Worship Of Saints And Angels -- "There is one peculiarity about this sin; the doctrine has not even the usual small fragment of truth to rest on." Dr. I.R.K. Paisley
Unfortunately, I have seen a statement by one of the Lutheran leaders on the Heterodoxy of Catholicism. It's time that the largest Lutheran Synod in this country gets new leadership. Of course both groups are in error on Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel.
then wrote: A joint document released last week representing 95% of the world's 74 million Lutherans stated the following: Catholics and Lutherans realize that they and the communities in which they live out their faith belong to the one body of Christ. The awareness is dawning on Lutherans and Catholics that the struggle of the sixteenth century is over. The reasons for mutually condemning each otherâ€™s faith have fallen by the wayside.
If the 500 year old "reasons" (namely justification by faith alone vs, faith plus works) have fallen by the wayside, and today's Lutherans are OK with it, they must believe either doctrine of justification is approved of God. Or, more likely, they neither know nor care.
The biggest problem with this is, if he wasn't a saint when alive, he never will be. The good deeds done, if any, have no bearing, for deeds are not counted by God as anything worthy of sainthood. Bottom line is, the saved are saints, the unsaved are not.
A joint document released last week representing 95% of the world's 74 million Lutherans stated the following:
Catholics and Lutherans realize that they and the communities in which they live out their faith belong to the one body of Christ. The awareness is dawning on Lutherans and Catholics that the struggle of the sixteenth century is over. The reasons for mutually condemning each otherâ€™s faith have fallen by the wayside.