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SATURDAY, JUN 22, 2013  |  26 comments
Baptists, Catholics join to fight abortion mandate
The United States' two largest religious denominations have joined forces in an effort to protect freedom of conscience as full enforcement of the Obama administration's abortion/contraception mandate nears.

The leading religious freedom spokesmen for Southern Baptists and American Roman Catholics -- Russell D. Moore and William Lori, respectively -- urged Congress in a letter Friday (June 21) to pass legislation designed to bolster conscience protections in health care. The letter from Moore, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, and Lori, archbishop of Baltimore and chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' ad hoc committee for religious liberty, went to all members of the Senate and House of Representatives.

The proposal for which they sought support -- the Health Care Conscience Rights Act, H.R. 940 in the House and S. 1204 in the Senate -- addresses health care ...


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News Item6/28/13 11:48 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
SteveR writes:
jpw wrote:
joining to stop the murder of the unborn is not ecumenicalism. ecumenicalism would be spiritual leaders bringing the people together to worship or compromising on theology.... more on the lines of Billy Graham sending new believers back into the RCC.
we join together in our secular jobs everyday to build bridges, fix cars, and pull teeth. when a wolf is at the door, and a Mormon or JW wants to help me shut it, I'll be glad to receive their help and after that I will pray that they hear the gospel of Christ.
Well Said

You've been quiet...

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News Item6/27/13 2:13 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
jpw wrote:
joining to stop the murder of the unborn is not ecumenicalism. ecumenicalism would be spiritual leaders bringing the people together to worship or compromising on theology.... more on the lines of Billy Graham sending new believers back into the RCC.
we join together in our secular jobs everyday to build bridges, fix cars, and pull teeth. when a wolf is at the door, and a Mormon or JW wants to help me shut it, I'll be glad to receive their help and after that I will pray that they hear the gospel of Christ.
Well Said
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News Item6/27/13 12:39 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
What folks need to realise is that ecumenists have an agenda, a strategy, a plan for bringing all of christendom together. It is not an amateur group of people just trying to be nicey-nicey Christians, it is a major player with an hierarchy and an end in sight. Of course, the top dogs do not really make public the final intention, lest the gullible don't like it and take affrontage.

Of course, it has to be led by tares, as Christians in leadership generally have enough savvy to know that the gospel is at stake. As you rightly said, Dorcas, the first port of call is a real good social cause. Be friendly, try to show that you are a Christian just like everyone else. Play on Bible words like "love one another" and "doctrines should never divide us" and "let's show the world that we are united". Stand on the same platforms and pray together, sing songs together, read the Bible together. Avoid doctrinal issues, avoid the gospel, except it be ecumenist-suited. Make much of Jesus Christ, but avoid hell and damnation, fire and brimstone, substitutionary atonement, and salvation by faith alone in Christ alone apart from works.

Let the worldlings imagine that any old church will do, any old beliefs will do, just be nicey-nicey, lovey-dovey!

Ecumenists?

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News Item6/27/13 11:36 AM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
Sorry jpw have to disagree with your post .
I have seen it first hand. Joining with RC ,Mormons,etc,then pretty soon you start to hear things like doctrine divides, they are such nice people, they invited me to their bible study......blah,blah.Then before long the Baptists and RC are having ecumenical sing aongs together at the RC building along with Unitarians, JW......So the first step in ecumenism is usually a social cause!
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News Item6/27/13 10:15 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
joining to stop the murder of the unborn is not ecumenicalism. ecumenicalism would be spiritual leaders bringing the people together to worship or compromising on theology.... more on the lines of Billy Graham sending new believers back into the RCC.

we join together in our secular jobs everyday to build bridges, fix cars, and pull teeth. when a wolf is at the door, and a Mormon or JW wants to help me shut it, I'll be glad to receive their help and after that I will pray that they hear the gospel of Christ.

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News Item6/27/13 10:09 AM
Johns2cents | ontario,canada  Find all comments by Johns2cents
Baptist should no be yoking themselves with Catholic
No matter what
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News Item6/26/13 9:47 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Dorcas wrote:
Michael H,
May we suggest, Pastor Ralph Ovadal who is found here on SermonAudio as a very faithful minister in warning about the dangers of the very fast growing ecumenical movement.
We also are ex RC, and have a burden for the dear people that are so deceived in that
Satanic system.
Blessings to you and yours.
Dorcas,
I had no idea you were familar with Ralph Ovadal. Have you ever listened to Richard Bennett, a former never to be again RC priest who has a wonderful testimony of salvation, along with teachings warning of Catholicism here on SermonAudio?

That said sometimes there is so much information available to us, that a simply worded comment like yours is greatly helpful.

And likewise blessing to you and yours too.

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News Item6/26/13 8:57 AM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
Michael H,
May we suggest, Pastor Ralph Ovadal who is found here on Sermon Audio as a very faithful minister in warning about the dangers of the very fast growing ecumenical movement.
We also are ex RC, and have a burden for the dear people that are so deceived in that
Satanic system.
Blessings to you and yours.
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News Item6/26/13 6:05 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Dorcas wrote:
Excellent post Angela!
Reminds me also of the verses in 2Cor.6:14,17.
The first step in ecumenism is always social causes!
Dorcas
Thank you, that is a great and needed reminder "The first step in ecumenism is always social causes!" in our earnestly contending for the faith, our praying and intercession and witnessing of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think I need to refine and grow in my warnings of the Pro-Roman Catholic/Ecumencial and Interfaith Propaganda Machines to include a warning of "social causes" Satan uses to lead people astray.
Thank you again.

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News Item6/25/13 8:16 PM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
Excellent post Angela!
Reminds me also of the verses in 2Cor.6:14,17.
The first step in ecumenism is always social causes!
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News Item6/25/13 8:14 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Angela Wittman wrote:
Frankly, I'm shocked at the Baptists and Roman Catholic church uniting.
Angela Wittman
I am sadly not surprised consider the infection of the ecumenical movement in Baptist Churches, and the enormous propaganda machine, for example with the late Charles Coulson of Prison Fellowship, the thorougly Roman Catholic "Passion of the Christ", Billy Graham Crusades, Sherwood Baptist Church that gave us Fireproof, is now given us the ecumencially promoted movie "Courageous" (yes, with Roman Catholic help and participation in promotion) and lets not forget the very popular 'Focus on the Family' to make Roman Catholicism acceptable to Evangelicals, and to silence those who would rightfully object.
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News Item6/25/13 7:14 PM
Angela Wittman | Southern Illinois  Contact via emailFind all comments by Angela Wittman
Martin wrote: "It is important to keep in mind the distinction between the kingdom of God and the kingdoms of this world." Please provide your scriptural text for making this statement.
There is no distinction regarding Who rules. Christ is king! Frankly, I'm shocked at the Baptists and Roman Catholic church uniting. They can both be effective in fighting Obama-care through separate efforts. As Amos asked "Can two walk together unless they be agreed?"
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News Item6/25/13 2:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Do you mean John Y., they both are practicing unholy communion? Yes, if they believe there is anything efficacious in the Mass, q.v., The Mass: Miracle or Mendacity? and for that matter the falsehood of the Romish priesthood itself, The Superiority of Christ's Priesthood.

I would suggest you print these out as pamphlets, John Y., and spread them around to your Catholic relatives, Is A Catholic Christian An Oxymoron? (PDF) and Is the One True Church Roman Catholic? (PDF)

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News Item6/25/13 8:37 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I would sure like to see an attempt at an answer to these types of deeper questions. The perpetual silence is always very telling and should get people to really start taking notice of what they are really participating in.
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News Item6/22/13 8:34 PM
Martin | Texas  Find all comments by Martin
John Yurich USA wrote:
Martin, The last time I was to my brother's Non Denominational Church I received Holy Communion. And I have also received Holy Communion in the Methodist Church and the Lutheran Church when I attended worship at a Methodist Church and a Lutheran Church to see what their respective worship services were like.

The question is whether there can be any real communion in the Supper between people who do not have a shared understanding of what the Supper is. If one person believes that the Lord's Supper commemorates the finished sacrifice of Christ, without being in any sense a re-presentation of that sacrifice, yet another views the Supper as an actual re-presentation of Christ's body and blood, a bloodless yet propitiatory sacrifice that takes away sin and automatically communicates sanctifying grace to men through the ministrations of an earthly priest-- can it be said that these two people are really celebrating the same thing?

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News Item6/22/13 7:56 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Ha wrote:
Catholics emphatically DO NOT worship the Jesus of the Bible. If you had read your Bible, you would have known this.
But then you have no spiritual life, comprehension or logic, so it's no surprise that you struggle so with these issues.
It is a strange thing that Luther and every Protestant Reformer did not believe that Catholics worship a False jesus. Luther and the Protestant Reformers believed that Catholics worship the biblical Jesus. There are notoriously Anti-Catholic Evangelical Protestant ministers who believe that Catholics worship the biblical Jesus and not a False jesus because they utilize their comprehension abilities and not their hatred for the Catholic Church to come to that conclusion.

Martin, The last time I was to my brother's Non Denominational Church I received Holy Communion. And I have also received Holy Communion in the Methodist Church and the Lutheran Church when I attended worship at a Methodist Church and a Lutheran Church to see what their respective worship services were like.

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News Item6/22/13 11:51 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
From Merriam-Webster,
Definition of INFIDEL
1
: one who is not a Christian or who opposes Christianity

that seems to describe the RCC and its members if you ask me.

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News Item6/22/13 10:23 AM
What  Find all comments by What
BCT wrote:
Article is John 17 realized.
Not in your wildest dreams SteveR!
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News Item6/22/13 10:07 AM
Martin | Texas  Find all comments by Martin
Co-belligerency in matters of public policy is not the same thing as communion in matters of faith. It is important to keep in mind the distinction between the kingdom of God and the kingdoms of this world. When Protestants and Catholics fight together in the culture war to preserve the Judeo-Christian foundation of our nation's legal system and culture, that is an earthly battle that is an earthly battle that is being fought to preserve what is in the common interest of all citizens. That is not the same thing as fighting together in the spiritual battle against the powers of darkness through the preaching of the true, apostolic gospel. On a spiritual level, Catholics and Protestants remain divided on fundamental issues of the faith. That is why, though they do not "commune" together on a spiritual plane (for example, by taking the Lord's Supper together or worshiping together in the same church), they can be co-belligerents on an earthly plane, fighting together for earthly goals they have in common, such as resisting the efforts of the Obama administration to destroy religious liberty in this country.
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News Item6/22/13 9:07 AM
BCT  Find all comments by BCT
Article is John 17 realized.
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