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MONDAY, JUN 17, 2013  |  59 comments
Pope blesses hundreds of Harley-Davidsons

Biker culture came to the Vatican on Sunday as Pope Francis blessed thousands of Harley-Davidsons and their riders celebrating the manufacturer's 110th anniversary with a loud parade and plenty of leather.

Thundering Harley engines nearly drowned out the Latin recitation of the "Our Father" prayer that accompanied Francis as he greeted the crowd before Mass. Standing in his open-top jeep, Francis drove up the main boulevard leading to St. Peter's Square, blessing the thousands of people in what was a giant Harley parking lot.

Once the service got under way, bikers in their trademark leather Harley vests sat in the square alongside nuns and tens of thousands of faithful Catholics taking part in an unrelated, two-day pro-life rally. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Chris, yes, but let's hope when people go to the Bible, they don't use the pick and pull verses helter-skelter out of the Bible! Principles of Bible Interpretation and there is the way of Prayer As Taught By Jesus, Part 1 and Prayer As Taught By Jesus, Part 2 or for some written material, Prayer.

Anyway, The Pope's Blessing is a curse.

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News Item6/20/13 7:59 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
That comment always sticks with me and I think of it often. "I don't know what the Bible says, but..."

This has been my experience with everyone I know. Everyone relies on the Pope, Mary, and some Saints to take care of their eternal security; never finding out for themselves what the Bible itself has to say. They will verify anything else anyone tells them, non-religious wise, wanting to hear this or see that for themselves before just believing anyone, but when it comes to the most important thing of all, the thing they have only one shot at to get right, they entrust it to mere sin-filled men. Their very eternity...I don't get it.

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News Item6/19/13 6:18 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Mike Wrote:
"Let me guess, she would also deny Jesus had brothers and sisters, because Mary was "ever virgin," even while being called "our blessed mother"?"

Probably, if she even has that. knowledge...afraid to ask...ha-ha.

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News Item6/19/13 6:14 PM
Precision  Find all comments by Precision
Bless God wrote:
This is just one of many ways to pray the model prayer:
Dear Father who is far,
may your name be praised.
Please rule us!
May you do on earth
just the way it's done in heaven.
Give us the food we need, thanks!
And forgive our sins against you
as we forgive all who offend us.
Please don’t put us through hard things,
but prevent us from stumbling into everything bad.
Because you are the one in charge,
you have all the power, and the glory too!
After all, this is yours forever,
which is just the way we want it!
No! It is a pattern prayer teaching the different components that should make up genuine prayer.
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News Item6/19/13 6:14 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
or you put it out as it appears in the Message "Bible"(you can't make this stuff up)

So he said, “When you pray, say,

Father,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.” (Luke 11:2-4)

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News Item6/19/13 5:06 PM
Bless God  Find all comments by Bless God
Precision wrote:
"After this manner..." DOES NOT MEAN using these exact words! This is NOT a command to regurgitate the prayer in a liturgical fashion.
This is just one of many ways to pray the model prayer:

Dear Father who is far,
may your name be praised.
Please rule us!
May you do on earth
just the way it's done in heaven.
Give us the food we need, thanks!
And forgive our sins against you
as we forgive all who offend us.
Please don’t put us through hard things,
but prevent us from stumbling into everything bad.
Because you are the one in charge,
you have all the power, and the glory too!
After all, this is yours forever,
which is just the way we want it!

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News Item6/19/13 4:46 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Christopher000 wrote:
A while back, I was trying to discuss Mary with my mother-in-law. I was being perfectly calm and speaking nothing but facts. Well, she, very quickly, became angry, saying, "I don't know what the Bible says, but she's our blessed mother".
I wanted to add this as an example to my post below.
Let me guess, she would also deny Jesus had brothers and sisters, because Mary was "ever virgin," even while being called "our blessed mother"?
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News Item6/19/13 4:36 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
A while back, I was trying to discuss Mary with my mother-in-law. I was being perfectly calm and speaking nothing but facts. Well, she, very quickly, became angry, saying, "I don't know what the Bible says, but she's our blessed mother".
I wanted to add this as an example to my post below.
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News Item6/19/13 4:33 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
SteveR wrote:
Nothing new in there Jim, I am aware of RCC shortcomings and dont need your poor propaganda links to confuse the issue of this day. The issue raised is the LORDs Prayer. Despite my opinion of the RCC, John Yurich has provided testimony of the highest honour for the Blessed Prayer given by MY LORD than anyone else here
Not sure what honor that would be seeing that he stated that, "Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer." Two problems there, He never PRAYED the Lord's prayer, he simple gave it to the disciples as instruction. (obviously he had no sins for which to ask forgiveness) and two as previously pointed out the "Lord's prayer" is a misnomer as it is a prayer pattern for His disciples (those truly born again by the Spirit of God)So, not sure how you can give his words such accolades, nothing against John Yurich posting intended in my comment.
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News Item6/19/13 4:32 PM
What  Find all comments by What
Mike wrote:
For your penance, say 3 Our Fathers and 7 Hail Marys.
He's getting off light
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News Item6/19/13 4:26 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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Around the UK, the prayer is recited parrot fashion by thousands of people who have no interest in God.
For your penance, say 3 Our Fathers and 7 Hail Marys.
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News Item6/19/13 4:05 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
SteveR wrote:
Nothing new in there Jim, I am aware of RCC shortcomings and dont need your poor propaganda links to confuse the issue of this day. The issue raised is the LORDs Prayer. Despite my opinion of the RCC, John Yurich has provided testimony of the highest honour for the Blessed Prayer given by MY LORD than anyone else here
SteveR's postings, this and others here on SermonAudio, and his interaction with others illustrate a very telling Bible truth.

Proverbs 28
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.

and since much of the discussion has been about prayer, all of us should take to heart verse 9.

9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

The (quote) shortcomings of the rcc are not accidental mistakes out of ignorance and weakness but determined wilfull knowledgable thoroughly serious sin against the Living God, for idolatry is an iniquity of those who hate God, making the Roman Catholic Religion far more evil and wicked than many begin to imagine.

BTW their hatred of God shows up in the genuine born agin believers they have murdered in untold numbers through centuries of persecutions, did unto them, did unto Jesus Christ.

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News Item6/19/13 3:53 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I said, "certainly"...let me change that to,"I believe there are".
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News Item6/19/13 3:42 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Somebody on down the line mentioned "empty chants". I have to agree with that because so many grow up memorizing, or reading the same things over and over, every Sat or Sun; never grasping any understanding. They just know what they are suppose to repeat, and when to repeat it. I can attest to this using my wife, and many others as examples who go to mass religiously solely for the indulgence and to avoid a mortal sin. I know a lady who goes 7/days/wk. No Roman Catholic I have ever spoke to (yet) had ever read the Bible, reads the Bible, or understands the contents of the Bible when asked. All they know is that they can't miss Mass, the eucharist, or forget their envelopes. They rely on the Pope and Mary for all that they don't know; expecting them to be their mediators before God, apparently believing they will take care if everything for them.
Are there born agains in the Roman church? Certainly, but I believe it's them that Christ says, "Come out of her..." to.
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News Item6/19/13 3:35 PM
Gotcha  Find all comments by Gotcha
SteveR wrote:
The most disturbing error of the RCC is their constant need for idolatry. I dont blame Catholics for them, but I do know that authors of that idolatry are in great danger of hellfire.
Like you and your overused emoticons(smiling faces, thumbs up etc....), ancient RCC icon developers thought they needed them to make a point. Your internet personality matches your spiritual one
The venom reserved by this troll for the true people of God is never far below the surface.
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News Item6/19/13 3:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
The most disturbing error of the RCC is their constant need for idolatry. I dont blame Catholics for them, but I do know that authors of that idolatry are in great danger of hellfire.
Like you and your overused emoticons(smiling faces, thumbs up etc....), ancient RCC icon developers thought they needed them to make a point. Your internet personality matches your spiritual one
Yes, you could not gainsay my post, knowing that what I said was true, so you instead had a go at me for using smarticons! What on earth do you think SA provides them for, eh?

Now I will tell you why I am angry at the misuse of this prayer.

1. Unregenerate folks, whether Roman Catholics or others, are being encouraged to believe that God is their Father, and that they have some sort of claim on forgiveness for saying such a prayer.

2. Unregenerate folks, whether Roman Catholics or other paedobaptists, are encouraging themselves and their infants to believe they have some sort of claim on God, being told they have an interest in an imaginary covenant.

Around the UK, the prayer is recited parrot fashion by thousands of people who have no interest in God.

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News Item6/19/13 3:17 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
What you have to realise Steve is that mere recitation of a God-ordained set of words doesn't wash with God. Remember the psalms recited at every passover were the very words of God uttered by unregenerate Jews when Jesus walked the earth, and STILL DO.
Now the first words of the prayer are "Our Father", which unregenerate Roman Catholics and others can't claim anyway, so it is an affront to MY FATHER, which art in heaven.
The most disturbing error of the RCC is their constant need for idolatry. I dont blame Catholics for them, but I do know that authors of that idolatry are in great danger of hellfire.

Like you and your overused emoticons(smiling faces, thumbs up etc....), ancient RCC icon developers thought they needed them to make a point. Your internet personality matches your spiritual one

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News Item6/19/13 3:12 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
SteveR they would only be poor propaganda links if I said the Romish Church was right!

We all know that sacraments e.g., Sacrifice of the Mass and prayers of the Romish Church completely lack efficacy. Any witch doctor could serve just as useful of agent as a priest for the useless work of a priest. (You might listen to sermons such as,
The Inadequacy of the Levitical Priesthood[/URL} )

I especially like that last paragraph of yours John U.K.!

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News Item6/19/13 2:44 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Nothing new in there Jim, I am aware of RCC shortcomings and dont need your poor propaganda links to confuse the issue of this day. The issue raised is the LORDs Prayer. Despite my opinion of the RCC, John Yurich has provided testimony of the highest honour for the Blessed Prayer given by MY LORD than anyone else here
What you have to realise Steve is that mere recitation of a God-ordained set of words doesn't wash with God. Remember the psalms recited at every passover were the very words of God uttered by unregenerate Jews when Jesus walked the earth, and STILL DO.

Now the first words of the prayer are "Our Father", which unregenerate Roman Catholics and others can't claim anyway, so it is an affront to MY FATHER, which art in heaven.

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News Item6/19/13 2:36 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Jim Lincoln wrote:
UPS, I like your comments on "The Lord's Prayer," too often used as a mantra
SteveR have you read The Papacy in the ex-Catholic Journal yet? I think it's quite good so what do you think of it?
Nothing new in there Jim, I am aware of RCC shortcomings and dont need your poor propaganda links to confuse the issue of this day. The issue raised is the LORDs Prayer. Despite my opinion of the RCC, John Yurich has provided testimony of the highest honour for the Blessed Prayer given by MY LORD than anyone else here
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